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[–] 111 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (15 children)

People are really underestimating how many accelerationist dominionists are now at high levels of the US government.

The Heritage Foundation, authors of Project 2025, is chock full of them, and their aim is to bring on the rapture and apocalypse.

Several of them were in Israel recently for a practice run of the red cow sacrifice that’s meant to bring Jesus back. The Jews and evangelicals want this for different reasons, but this is why US evangelicals are supporting Israel. Because in order to summon Jesus, evangelicals believe Palestine must be destroyed, the mosque at the temple mount must be razed (part of why they’re also hot for muslim skin), and the original temple rebuilt.

This is not fringe conspiracy bullshit – they’re serious enough that several senators have been funding the breeding programme for a perfect red cow, and some (including Mike Johnson IIRC) were in Israel for their practice run last year.

It all sounds insane, but they’re serious about this. It’s also why they don’t care about climate change. It’s not that they don’t think it’s real, but that they think it’s one of the signs zombie Jesus is coming back to give them a paradise from which they can watch the rest of us burn. This is all very, deadly serious to them. It’s a death cult, and they’ve been given the means to kill us all for their apocalyptic fantasies.

e: and to put a finer point on it, from that first article:

The arrival of the five heifers in Israel may have played a role in the Oct. 7, 2023, attack that began the Israel-Hamas war. In a speech listing motives for the attack on Israel, one of the leaders of Hamas accused Israelis of bringing five cows into the Holy Land, CBS News reported. The Temple Mount is the current site of the Dome of the Rock, part of the al-Aqsa Mosque, an Islamic sacred site.

e2: look into what Peter Thiel believes, too. The most powerful and rich people on earth believe this nonsense, and are amassing the resources to realise their bullshit. They’re openly talking about their apocalyptic antichrist fantasies now.

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  • [–] 40 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    I never knew they were founded during and deeply involved in the Reagan presidency. Go figure

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  • [–] 29 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    Yeah, this shit has been burning for decades, with prominent evangelicals infiltrating government for a long time. Watch the docuseries The Family on Netflix if you really want to get angry and depressed.

    They’re the ones responsible for the White House prayer breakfast (the ones with the creepy photos where they lay hands on trump).

    e: like this one

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  • [–] 18 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    It’s hard to pick what our single greatest existential risk is at a moment in time with such an embarrassment of choices, but if I had to pick one, it’s probably Dominionist Evangelical Christianity as exemplified by Heritage and the 7 Mountain Mandate - please click on that if you’re unfamiliar.

    The movement's theology is based on biblical passages like Revelation 17:9 and Isaiah 2:2, promoting the idea that Christians should actively take control of the seven societal mountains to establish God's kingdom on Earth.

    Because it’s a people powered nexus for a lot of the other bad shit that competes for it on the list.

    Zionism and antisemitism yes at the same time, AI, capitalism, and climate change, all intensified and utilized by the 7MM.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    To be clear, those seven mountains are family, religion, education, media, arts and entertainment, business, and government.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    I never understand the mentality of accelerationists.

    They truly believe all of the evil crap they do is somehow absolved because they're bringing on judgement day faster as if that has any relation on what you did as a person. And not just to Muslims, they trample over their own Christians living around Jerusalem because they want to see the return of Jesus.

    It'd be like a guy speedrunning crimes so that the justice department makes him a high priority to arrest and prosecute, but that will also somehow nullify all of his crimes because... the court trial was scheduled early??????

    Even if you ignore that they clearly don't like reading or following Jesus's own teachings, it is absurd logic to think that funding a genocide and the destruction of the west bank would never be questioned in morality.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Hey @homosapien@lemmy.dbzer0.com wanna scientifically research and reason this?

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    1 Thessalonians 5:2 For you yourselves thoroughly understand that the day of the Lord shall arrive much like a thief in the night.

    This is what happens when you go astray from the Universal Church (Catholic Church)

    Luke 6:39 Now he told them another comparison: “How can the blind lead the blind? Would they not both fall into a pit?

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  • [–] 20 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    If this was the fate of humanity there was no need for the whole Jesus arc. He could have just said holy fuck you people are corrupt and ended the whole planet at once but didn't, and the end times crap was not endorsed by his teachings. Not that I expect internal consistency in Christianity but I like to bring it up when they start ranting about Revelations like it's a policy position.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago*

    To be fair, that whole story is obviously nonsense. Why would an omni god need to make himself human in order to sacrifice himself to protect us from himself? It’s ludicrous.

    This is exactly the sort of story superstitious people in the Iron Age would invent to tell each other why their suffering during war and famine was righteous, though, to prevent uprisings and further societal collapse.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago*

    Yeah the whole thing is so stupidly convoluted, and I guess impressive if it's the only book you've ever read...

    God makes the rules, why does he need to be a human sacrifice to stop his own creation from going to hell (also his creation and insanely abusive)? Why even invent the stupid rules that apparently require that in the first place?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    I feel like a lot of the revelation stuff happened at the turn of the 20th century great awakening when the church was sort of co-opted by the wealthy to prevent the spread of socialism, though you could probably make a good argument about the great awakening and the downfall of the divine right of kings.

    The Jesus arc was a problem from the beginning. That's why everyone was sort of fine with, or onboard, the original arthors killing him off so early in the storyline.

    A lot of modern fanfiction authors would make the same choice.

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  • [–] 40 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    Damn it's almost like we should separate religion from politics.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Believers can’t and we have got to understand that. If they can separate it then they are lying about their beliefs somewhere. If you’re religious, you put that above everything including yourself (or, seriously, what would be the point in believing at all.)

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  • [+] -16 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    Religions have a very large part in creating the population's morals, opinions, and values, so I think that's practically impossible.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    That’s objectively untrue. Religious leaders want you to believe that, and it’s a major part of their propaganda. But no, religions co-opted morals and human values; they did not invent them by any stretch of the imagination.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Of course they didn't invent them. But they certainly influence what people think, mostly in a negative way. If the Catholic Church wasn't the way it is, fewer people would be getting so pissed off about queer peoplr existing.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Mate, if the only reason you won't cause suffering or even murder others is because religion told you so, you have deep, deep personal character issues, being either a Sociopath or Psychopath - normal people feel guilty when they see the hurt they caused to others and thus refrain from doing it further because it feels bad, no need to be actually told not to do it.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    I agree. I'm not one of those people that needs to be threatened with hell to keep myself from hurting people. My point was more about how religions have a lot of impact on what people think, especially around issues like queer rights and reproductive rights. Fewer people would care if their religious institution didn't. Those religious people aren't suddenly going to stop being impacted by their religion while they're voting.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago

    We need to stop making excuses for harmful mentalities like this

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    perhaps a hotter take for lemmy: this goes for "humans are a plague" rhetoric too

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

    "Humans are plague" is to point out that we should have better priorities than just infinite growth.

    "Fallen world" gives people using Abrahamic trappings license to expand and consume infinitely because people are thinking about the all the stuff they'll be born with in the next world anyway. It's pretty different

    Edit: holy shit, had an aneurysm. Thanks to anyone who read that as it was intended and not how I wrote it.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    This is such a silly take. If humans ought to have better priorities than infinite growth, then the problem is whatever necessitates the premise of infinite growth. Infinite growth is not only unnecessary in being defined as human, but even detrimental to human existence. The problem you're blaming on humans is capitalism. Capitalism is the plague.

    "Fallen World" does not give abrahamic religions license to consume infinitely. It has nothing to do with consumption, but rather to build the premises of why their religion is necessary for "salvation". Abrahamic religions have plenty of ridiculous and immoral things to critique about them, just be sure to pick a real one.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago*

    Eh. It sounds like you can't or won't engage with either position, which I'm not really on this planet to convince anyone to do anyway. I probably made it sound like I hold one of those opinions, which I don't so that's on me.

    You could look into millenarianism as an ideology and why they're like that but it's work and it's thankless.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    no, "humans are a plague" is just blatantly misanthropic. it has nothing to do with pointing out the failings of capitalism, it's just here to say that humanity, by its very nature, is bad and to be exterminated. it serves to distract from the real issue (capitalism and the fantasy of infinite growth) even, by pretending that the issue is innate to humans (and thus unfixable except by mass genocide)

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    I guess I just respectfully disagree, to me capitalism is misanthropic. And people who use the phrase are being embarrassingly hyperbolic but I want to meet them where they're at. I see their emotional position as more workable in terms of changing how we treat the world and eachother (most people aren't ready to engage with the idea of stopping capitalism in a nonemotional way)

    But, we don't have to approach it as an all or nothing thing. In our lives I can engage with people who need to conceptualize people as a disease and you can work with people who need to not do that. This is an improvement over previous situations where progressive politics required toeing the line on rhetoric

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago

    When you're an edge lord that fantasizes about being the bad guy in the bible and lord of the rings, it tends to warp your world view into desiring scifi dystopian survival horror.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

    The worst part is that we're rewarding them to work against all of us.

    I don't know about all religions, but I do know about Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, and each of their holy books are full of horrors that no civilized society today can tolerate; and each of these faiths have millions of fundamentalists that see these texts as their moral imperative.

    I encourage everyone to read the Tanakh, Bible, and Koran and see for yourself; and to watch their own propaganda (straight from the horse's mouth), which is shockingly backwards and eager to kill all that they deem unworthy (i.e. you).

    Are all believers like this? No, the vast majority are not. However, they all provide a mask of normalcy for the fundamentalists that are "True Believers". This veneer of respectability prevents society as a whole from ever questioning the Abrahamic faiths, the instructions that they are given, and their motivations.

    Islam wants to murder or convert you (or force you to pay a tax for their "protection"... from them). Christianity wants to convert you or prays for Jesus to return and save them (and murder you). Judaism isn't interested in converting you, but they see themselves as The Chosen People as ordained by God, superior to gentiles (you) in every possible way. All Abrahamic faiths have proven to be ruthless and bloodthirsty when they rule.

    All of them want to control you, no exceptions. All have rules that they want you to follow; even the nice ones that don't want to slaughter you think that you should live by their rules out of "respect", but they have absolutely no respect for you.

    Don't believe me, if you are unfamiliar with these religions my claims will seem extraordinary and crazy. Read the Tanakh, Bible, and Koran yourself. Listen to what their fundamentalist rabbis, priests, and imam's say (thousands of videos on Youtube to choose from).

    Yes, I know that each holy book has beauty and wisdom within for all to learn from. But, unfortunately, they are also full of incredible evil and incompatible with any modern society. That is the concern, the evil.

    The fact that they are tax free is ridiculous and obscene. I don't think that these religions should be illegal, because that just fuels the fundamentalists (they all want to be martyrs); but governments should stop forcing secular taxpayers to enable these archaic and frankly loathsome belief systems.

    (extensively edited because I'm on a roll, I apologize)

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    The point about the "veneer of respectability" is exactly why I'm now an anti-theist and not just an atheist. If religions weren't inherently harmful to all people it may be different; unfortunately the most popular religions harm not just their adherents but everyone else as well. We, as a society, should not abide that.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    Also crime and punishment

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    seems very Christiany type of explanation.

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    American atheists' favorite hobby is reconstructing christian cosmology from an unexamined base of fundamentally christian assumptions about the world. Look at roko's basilisk.

    Understanding religion gives you a better context for the culture you emerge from, how it got to be where it is, and what underlining assumptions drive it ideologically. You can wish for a clean break from that historical context all you want, is isn't gonna actually happen.

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    I'm not sure it's possible to move past it, at least not in any of our lifetimes. Some long tail where specific faiths wither away bit by bit with each generation, maybe. Though, I find it hard to imagine that space not somehow being filled with some other form of spirituality.

    More to the point, surely you don't mean all religions?

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    Hm. You wanna go to tribal land and tell them we've once again decided they can't practice their culture? Cus that's what your arguing for.

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    That would certainly curtail the most reactionary elements of religion, but I don't think that would end it. Maybe for some. But faith, like any institution cultural or otherwise, evolves with its environment.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (6 children)

    I love how you folks always assume that if anyone doesn’t agree with your religion then they just don’t understand it yet. It’s not hard to grasp, it’s really fucking simple, and it’s not hard to see that every religion is just the same stupid woowoo bullshit.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (5 children)

    Ah, but you see I am an atheist.

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    Seriously, have you seen the "rokos basilisk" thing? Buncha self-identified "rationalists" recreating god from first principles and a network connection.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (2 children)

    Yeah, I’m very familiar with the Rationalists, and the Zizians, they don’t understand that science-fiction is fiction, just like how other cults don’t understand fantasy is fantasy, cults are going to cult. If anything, they are a further call to reject religious/cult reasoning and culture. It’s a mindset that seeks an intentional and deliberate misunderstanding of reality.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    Really the only prerequisite to falling into a cult is thinking oneself too smart or moral or whatever to fall into a cult.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    No, the prerequisites to falling into a cult are vulnerability, misunderstanding, naïveté, peer pressure, desperation, seeking social acceptance, and opportunity. You can very much have enough awareness and independence of thought to not join nor be susceptible to cults and recognize cult behavior and ideology, not everybody is that desperate for something to give their life an illusion of greater meaning.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (16 children)

    Religion is a mental illness and should disqualify people from anything higher than a garbageman.

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  • [+] -13 points 1 month ago (15 children)

    discrimination but its cool

    "Religion is bad" is a very unscientific statement that is usually spoken by people who do not want to research and actually reason

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (12 children)

    Keep coping. You sound like a child with your "a very unscientific statement".

    Religion is a delusion. They can't all be right. Science your way out of that.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 month ago* (3 children)

    Religion is a belief that there is a higher power that rewards good and punishes evil. A place a person can look at the dark times in life to believe things will get better, and the world isn't as dark and awful as it can feel. Religion is also not for everyone, and some use religion to lie and manipulate others. But someone looking to religion for guidance in a time when they feel lost isn't some "mental illness".

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    Religion is a belief that there is a higher power that rewards good and punishes evil.

    Are you claiming all evil in the world is being punished and all good is being rewarded? What is good? What is evil? Are you aware that different religions across time and space had different notions of it? Are you claiming this omnipotent entity decided and some how bothered to communicate it to a human?

    If I would have told you that this being and me spoke earlier, how would you respond?

    Imagine being an omnipotent entity, and what you do for ages is meddling in human drama. Human centric much? What about different life forms? We are not the only intelligence in this planet. What about lifeforms on different in the universe? Are they also under the same scrutiny?

    A place a person can look at the dark times in life to believe things will get better, and the world isn't as dark and awful as it can feel.

    Yeah, that is completely delusional. But even worst, it's causing a lot of harm to others. Back to the earlier point - what if I told you that the omnipotent being told me religion is evil? I can find a lot of arguments to support the moral claim that it is evil and thus makes its practitioners do evil. Just so you could live in some little lie thinking you are better the all the rest.

    Religion is also not for everyone, and some use religion to lie and manipulate others.

    See? You support evil doers

    But someone looking to religion for guidance in a time when they feel lost isn't some "mental illness".

    Of course it is, what possibly could be solved by clinging to a full blown manipulative delusion?

    Edit - some formatting

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Are you claiming all evil in the world is being punished and all good is being rewarded?

    No. I'm saying some people adopt the belief that there is a higher power of some kind and use it to guide their lives. I did not say it was correct or that it is how the world exists.

    If I would have told you that this being and me spoke earlier, how would you respond?

    I would be concerned for your mental stability since you suddenly started hearing voices, but if you were using this "contact with a higher being" to help yourself live with the human condition and better the lives of those around you, I would listen, understand that it is important to you, and move on with my life happy that it was making you a better person.

    Imagine being an omnipotent entity, and what you do for ages is meddling in human drama. Human centric much?

    You seem to be confused into thinking I am one of these religious people. But religion was made by humans, of course it's going to be human centric, we are naturally egocentric beings. I don't see any value in you trying to "whataboutism" me at the fact that there isnt, what like "religion for dogs" or something? If we ever find different life in the universe I wouldn't be surprised if they had some form of religion as well.

    Yeah, that is completely delusional. But even worst, it's causing a lot of harm to others.

    Having hope for a better tomorrow is dangerous and delusional?

    Back to the earlier point - what if I told you that the omnipotent being told me religion is evil? I can find a lot of arguments to support the moral claim that it is evil and thus makes its practitioners do evil.

    Then you would be committing evil actions in the name of an evil religion. That's not what I'm trying to claim is a "good thing". People commit evil actions for no reason at all, hell people commit evil actions for any number of reasons. People fight over sports. Should we condemn everyone who loves sports because sometimes some guys pick fights over whose team is better? No, we condemn those guys and we let the good parts of the shared experience of watching your team play continue to happen.

    See? You support evil doers

    No, I am acknowledging that while I believe religion is beneficial to some people, like many things on earth, it has also been used as a tool by manipulators and liars to push their own agenda. But that can be said about anything. Spend ten minutes on social media and you can find someone trying to present their own twist on any world view as "the truth"

    Of course it is, what possibly could be solved by clinging to a full blown manipulative delusion?

    Having hope for the future? Looking out into the world and going "Yes it's dirty and cruel but there's beauty in it"? Or would you rather everyone be existential and moral nihilists and believe in nothing? We can all just sit together in the shit and go "it was always gonna be like this, nothing matters" together.

    Or you can see someone whose loved one who passed away suddenly, and they're finding peace with the loss because they believe that person's soul is in a better place. And the person performs charity in the memory of the person they lost because they believe that person is still watching them from somewhere.

    Sometimes religion is helpful, not all the time, not every example, but to just go "must be religion, must be evil" is a more close minded view than, well most religions.

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  • [+] -12 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    The Earth isnt real, it can't be all the shapes people think it is?

    Earth is a sphere? haha thats a mental illness lol how do you know its not a cuboid

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    There are people that have been and actively are in space looking at the earth, nobody is making that up, it’s just a simple fact, the earth is round. (Spheroid, if you want to be a pedant) There is no requirement of belief nor faith, just basic observation and understanding. Stupidity is quite literally the only reason to argue otherwise.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    And as we can reason that Earth is a spheroid, we can reason that Christ is God.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    By your logic we can also reason that Odin is The All-father, and that Ganesha is the remover of obstacles, Xenu is the great destroyer, and that Zeus likes to bang as a goose, or indeed that even Harry Potter actually being The Boy Who Lived, or that Roland is chasing The Man In Black forever to sustain The Wheel Of Ka and keep reality intact. Zealoutry is synonymous with myopia. Faith is foolish and self serving.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    To say we cannot reason Christ is God because many people believe he is not is not a sound claim as what the many hold true may not always be true.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    We call it the bloody death cult for a reason.

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    I'm not sure how they justify getting on the wrong side of humanity. It strikes me as an explain this to St Peter type of thing.

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    Im not even religious and i believe all that shit just from observing humans for 40 years.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 child)

    To be fair, when I'm my most cynical, I see human beings as intrinsically flawed, in that we're trying to develop into a space-faring global society, but still have instincts that only function for tiny bands of hunter-gatherers.

    And that would be fine if we were all on the same page, pursuing an all-inclusive pluralistic liberal democracy. (Or, really, any social system that allows us to massively organize. Those tend to be pretty egalitarian.) But there's a small faction of us who got lucky and got the sweet drops early or hacked themselves into wealth and power, and they want to keep their (ill-gotten) gains. And they hate the rest of us. (They might hate each other. J.P. Morgan did.)

    And they are willing to exploit human instincts in the rest of us to keep us from seizing their sweet drops and wealth and power. And in the meantime, they don't listen to experts who can advise them how to not ruin the world for human life, while trying to accumulate everything at the expense of what's necessary to sustain them.

    So we're likely going to die out soon, or go through a millennia-long low population phase where we try desperately not to get eaten by new-world screwworm.

    I can't say we don't deserve better, but our history teems with atrocity done to gain power or keep power or stay adjacent to power. We are a writhing knot of violence who can't seem to break free of our madness, even to save our lives. We a seem unable to create better for ourselves.

    I don't think it's sin because there's nothing else that really cares what we do, or how we conduct ourselves. We do what we are going to do, and reap the consequences.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago

    Nah always believe that every human inherently good, there will be always hope, do not despair, sun will always rise, don't worry be happy.

    live, laugh and love.

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