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[–] 31 points 1 month ago (1 child)

Should be manslaughter at the least, but good on KGUN for actually describing the accident well in the headlines.

A lot of the time, news stations will call it a "bicycle accident" when a Canyonero runs someone over, and imply that it was the person on the bike's fault.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    Still could have those charges added. The article is from the 20th, the day it happened. Initial charges would be from what the officers on scene arrested them for at the time. That doesn't stop them from adding or changing charges in the next few days/weeks.

    Looking at the intersection mentioned in the article on Google Maps, the intersection has a stop light and street lights on all sides of the intersection, there is a bike lane along the road it says they were cycling down, and at 6am the sunrise would have been behind the Ford.

    Not very many excuses left to even try to hide behind.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago

    For the homicidal maniac who doesn't have time for serious felony charges but still needs to scratch that itch

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago

    driver was charged with misdemeanor Causing Serious Physical Injury/Death by a Moving Violation.

    That should not only be a misdemeanor

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    Looks like:

    • the driver shall attend and successfully complete traffic survival school educational sessions
    • the driver's license may be suspended for 180 days and no longer than 1 year

    28-672 - Causing serious physical injury or death by a Moving Violation

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago (11 children)

    I've noticed that Arizona has a lot of traffic and a lot of very aggressive drivers

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    Anyone that doesnt agree is welcome to drive the I17/I10 and/or 202/101/60 any time. No one does the speed limit, 5-6 lane highways, wild lane changes and very bad decisions all around. It has made me a worse driver overall.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    Speed limit is meaningless on freeways

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    In practice sure, cause people just want or need to go faster. In all reality speeding doesnt really get you anywhere faster. 10-20 miles per hour faster on a 1 hour trip isnt netting a lot of time. Speed limits are set based actual science to keep people alive, sometimes they are completely arbitrary though.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Freeways are also a lot safer. Just stay in the right couple of lanes and go the speed of traffic. The lifted trucks can go 90 in the carpool lanes.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (3 children)

    Agree they are safer, technically, youre just more likely to die from a collision on the freeway than street level. Probably because there is no cross traffic.

    I wish staying to the right worked better. On Rt 60 there is a lot of on/off ramp traffic and some want to be in the left lane cut off by the midlane traffic where the right is actually where a lot more accidents happen.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    It's worth bringing up, you're much more likely to get in a collision on the freeway if you're going slower than traffic, compared to faster than traffic.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    You probably said it correctly, but, collisions on surface streets are less fatal because of cross streets?

    Freeways have much fewer collisions per mile driven by a LOT

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    [–] 17 points 1 month ago

    Sounds like a decent market for hitmen.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    So long as the driver appears sorry and says they didn't see them, it's usually a pass. Cops don't care.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (12 children)

    Authorities said the bicyclist was heading eastbound on Ironwood Hill Drive when he was struck by a blue 2024 Ford Escape that was trying to turn left from westbound Ironwood Hill Drive onto southbound Greasewood Road.

    A DUI Unit officer determined the driver was not impaired, but authorities said the driver was charged with misdemeanor Causing Serious Physical Injury/Death by a Moving Violation.

    Given that's the driver's only violation of traffic law here, a misdemeanor seems appropriate. The bulk of the blame here lies with the city and its urban design.


    Edit: Here's some context for what I mean:

    Aerial screenshot of the intersection

    This is the intersection in question. I've drawn the bicyclist's path in blue and the truck's path in purple. The speed limit here is 35 mph, or approximately 55 kph. Look at it on something like Street View if you like.

    There is no bicycle infrastructure around here. The gutters that are here are completely unprotected and aren't even marked for bikes. Not only that, but it's crossing a riverbed, making it one of the few places a bicyclist coming from or going to a fairly large suburban area can access the rest of the city (the other way, another mile south, is "Speedway Boulevard", which as you can guess is even less safe).

    There should be no world in which bicycles are sharing this infrastructure with cars, and it's the city's fault they have to.

    I don't think it's right to put the entire weight of that enormous societal failure on someone who wasn't fully paying attention when they were turning left.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    We can do both. The city should be fined and forced to improve infrastructure. The driver should be held to task for failing to properly operate a multi-ton vehicle. Their job as a licensed driver is to be the safest, most responsible person possible and make corrections for any hazards or circumstances that may arise. There is NO excuse to kill someone just because you wanted to turn left and these punishments aren't nearly enough.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

    There is NO excuse to kill someone just because you wanted to turn left and these punishments aren’t nearly enough.

    That's not what was happening here, or at least there's nothing to suggest that's what was happening here.

    This happened at 06:00. Sunrise in Tucson yesterday was approximately 06:15, so it was dark. Westbound traffic has a traffic light and is allowed to turn left. What ostensibly happened is that this driver had a green light (but not a green arrow), didn't see anybody coming, and turned into a bicyclist, killing them. A driver is being held to task for failing to properly operate a multi-ton vehicle – they're being held to task for their portion of the fault.

    Screenshot of the intersection westbound from Google Street View

    We can do both.

    You can do both, but you have to do both proportionally instead of throwing up your hands and saying "well they both suck". Clearly, the bulk of the blame rests with the city, because a) cars and bicycles should not have to share this space, and b) any reasonable planner would foresee this kind of problem. This is horribly designed in a way that charging anything more than a misdemeanor would be unjust and a ridiculous stretch of consequentialism.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago

    There are no accidents, only collisions.

    As long as society at large sees that the consequences for killing someone with a car can be a slap on the wrist, it is injustice.

    Justice is a difficult topic. It would be one thing if this was the first car crashing into a bicycle ever, and the mayor, governor, and president all decried the tragedy and closed the roads until improvements could be made. Then i could see giving the driver a misdemeanor since society is taking responsibility and justice is being done.

    Is this another day in the life in America? Maybe with more serious consequences for the driver, there would be political will to actually change things and prevent these tragedies.

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  • If you're driving somewhere horribly designed or something, then you have to drive more slowly and carefully. It's absolutely no excuse to crash your vehicle into any object. Doesn't matter if it's bad road design or bad weather, you are responsible for driving your car.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    That's a pretty normal (bad) intersection. I would agree society in general holds much of the blame but I also don't think a misdemeanor is appropriate for someone who killed another person while not paying attention.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (4 children)
  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago* (3 children)

    Bike had right of way.

    Yes. Literally everyone here understood that. Did you want to add something to this discussion?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    Is your entire argument that we shouldn't charge traffic violations which result in deaths as felonys because we currently don't? Exceedingly few people in this thread care about this case they want to fix the law to properly provide disincentives which is what criminal liability is for.

    You better fucking not be taking turns before verifying that it's safe to do so.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    You mean the one state that doesn't celebrate Martin Luther King Day?

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  • [–] -5 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    If it's a genuine accident, then what does a harsher punishment achieve? People make mistakes. Some people are unfortunate enough that their mistake has grave consequences - doesn't mean they're any more to blame, just unluckier.

    Texting and driving is a good example. Every single person who drives has done it at least once in the past and everyone who claims they haven't is lying. What's the difference in the intent of a person like this and one who does end up killing someone while doing so? None. The others simply were luckier. The unlucky ones are not morally more guilty than the others.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

    Texting and driving is a good example. Every single person who drives has done it at least once in the past and everyone who claims they haven't is lying.

    I texted while on my bike [bicycle] once, and it scared the crap out of me how far I got and how much of my surroundings I missed just by the few seconds I took at a time glancing at the screen. I'd leave my phone in the back seat if I ever drove a car. Terrifying that people do this regularly.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    It's much more common than most people realize. Just yesterday on my way home 3 oncoming cars in a row all had their driver using their phone. It's honestly amazing that we don't just have people dying left and right considering nobody is looking where they're driving. Hell, even the kids cycling to school are all on their phones.

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  • Yeah it's incredible how much safer cars are now than fifty years ago -- also my pet theory of why everyone drives like shit. A lot of people used to die in horrific car crashes as teenagers and everyone learned to drive correctly for fear of death. Now people get into an accidnet every few years and walk away uninjured each time.

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    [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    Promote the absurdity. Advertise that killing people with a car is not that bad, here in Arizona.

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