Being the age I am, I’m just old enough to remember flip-phones.

A relatively simple concept that has been on my mind lately for reasons I’ll get to. Widely considered obsolete unless you just want a cheap phone to make calls etc., these phones featured a screen on one side, a keypad on the other, with a hinge joint between the two.

The reason that this device has been dragged back to the front of my brain in recent weeks is because I am reminded of them every time I see this:

To be clear: I’m aware that this foldable iphone is not the first foldable modern smartphone (I know Samsung released them years ago also).

But I’m also left wondering: what is the point? I think I can perfectly understand the use of flip phones as they were when they were popular, but foldable phones I just can’t see the benefit. As far as I can see, these foldable type of phones offer little to no benefit that you couldn’t get from, say a regular iPhone or Samsung phone, in terms of the consumer and how they are used in general life. I get that the hardware/software may be different, but that’s not going to be a factor in most people’s daily lives (you’re not going to care about the type of core, or the screen resolution when you make a phone call, etc.) It seems like it’s more of a gimmick from the companies making them to try and make more sales, but even if that’s the case, the product must have something unique to offer, so what is it about foldable phones that are so unique besides the gimmick of folding?

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[–] 104 points 1 month ago (28 children)

you’re not going to care about the type of core, or the screen resolution when you make a phone call...

It's not really a phone anymore. It's a portable pocket computer. Being able to unfold a larger screen makes sense for a portable pocket computer.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

    Yes, this is the answer and it's not that hard to understand.

    What is hard to understand is the value proposition. Flips are more expensive for a lower spec device, and they're very unreliable--they're still breaking alot; wouldn't expect more than 2 years out of one.

    For most people in the pocket computer market, their needs would be more economically served by a high end phone and a mid tablet, or a high end tablet and mid phone, both items having a naturally longer life than a flip, and will each be used less, and are individually replacable.

    All-in-all, flip phones are a fine concept, but at their price point and longevity, they don't make a ton of sense for most people. Just easier to carry a tablet or put up with the smaller screen.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    ...expensive for a lower spec device, and they’re very unreliable...

    We're all waiting to see what Apple brings out. Perhaps they have come up with a reliable design. Perhaps it will be junk. In any case I agree that the price is not justified for most people today even if it robust and reliable. Personally, I almost never by expensive phones as my use is not very demanding.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    For most people in the pocket computer market, their needs would be more economically served by a high end phone and a mid tablet, or a high end tablet and mid phone

    Which makes it frustrating that the tablet market is so tiny compared to the phone one. And many of them have worse specs than even entry-level smartphones (Samsung is still selling the S6 Lite, which has a paltry 4GB of RAM and can barely handle running a single heavy app without crashing).

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago*

    And Samsung is really quite awful in terms of locking down the OS, second only to Apple, which really has some really good tablets; though it is so damn annoying that the mini has such extreme hardware. It's like they KNOW that's the form factor people want, so they make it as expensive as possible.

    My daily drivers are a Pixel 7, a 10+ y-o gaming PC running linux, and a mid Galaxy Tab A, mostly for browsing. The Pixel downloads my torrents, and the gaming PC runs my media server and does some AI stuff.

    I think I'm happier having several mid-range devices that are adequate for the task they are put to than having fewer devices that are more capable.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    That's the reason I got a folding phone. I picked up a used OG Puxel Fold for around $300, installed GrapheneOS, and installed Termux. Unfolds into a large enough screen to make desktop PC application use work well. I regularly code on it and have Qt Creator and VSCode always available. I wish I could put postmarketOS or some other real Linux OS on it, but the screen makes it more viable than my actual Linux OnePlus 6 for desktop application use. It fits in my pocket too, which tablets do not.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago

    Except that the bigger screen doesn’t offer more usability. It’s not the same productivity boost you get from say adding a second monitor or higher resolution screen to a desktop. For the most part the difference between my iPad and iPhone is the layout not the functionality.

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  • [+] [S] -7 points 1 month ago* (20 children)

    But if someone could simply buy a bigger phone that fits well in the pocket and is comfortable to carry around, that’s also cheaper and can do pretty much everything the foldable one can do in terms of function (which you can buy) why would you pay extra for one that folds, just because it folds?

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  • [–] 29 points 1 month ago (18 children)

    I don't know about you, but I can't fit an iPad Mini in my pants pocket but I can absolutely fit a folded in half iPad mini in my pocket. That is the point of folding.

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  • [+] [S] -13 points 1 month ago* (17 children)

    What Is an iPad mini? Is it a phone though? I thought it was a tablet? I meant more like the iPhone pro max line, or the Samsung equivalent

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (16 children)

    Is an iPad mini a phone though?

    See my previous comment re: portable pocket computer

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  • [+] [S] -15 points 1 month ago* (15 children)

    Well I was asking about phones in the post. See up top

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  • [–] 19 points 1 month ago (14 children)

    What exactly are you not understanding about my previous comments?

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  • [+] [S] -13 points 1 month ago (13 children)

    iPads are not pocket computers. No iPad has ever been designed to fit in a pocket as like a phone, so I don’t understand how you’ve arrived at the comparison of a foldable phone to an iPad in terms of size and fitting it in your pocket when iPads are a tablet computer that are not designed to fit in a pocket. I’m not doubting that iPad minis are computers, they’re just not by nature portable pocket computers, so I don’t quite understand why you’re drawing the comparison given that nobody puts iPad minis in their pockets (and if they do they are using them wrong because as far as I’m aware, they’re not designed to do so)

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  • [–] 18 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    It does seem like you’re being wilfully obtuse here but for the benefit of the doubt I think the point is that the folding phone gives you the screen real estate and added functionality of an iPad mini while still fitting in your pocket, so having the convenience of a phone. Of course nobody currently puts an iPad mini in their pocket, because nobody has pockets that big.

    For avoidance of doubt, I am similarly of the opinion that foldable phones are stupid gimmicks, but then I said that about the iPhone 3 so what do I know.

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  • [+] [S] -7 points 1 month ago* (5 children)

    I just don’t think it’s worth the money. The average cost of the iPhone 18 pro max is around $1,300, and the average cost of the duo is closer to $2,000. I get that the price will drop for the duo, but right now, I just don’t see the point of spending $800 more on 1.5 inch extra screen width for a device that can’t functionally do much more that any other iPhone as far as I’m aware, and I’m sure I’m not the only one out there. And to be clear: when I say functionally can’t do more, I mean in terms of the functionality of the phone (make calls, play games, browse the internet, etc.) rather than functionality in terms of folding.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    If the doubt you have in your mind was about the value for money, then you asked the wrong question. And the reason this thread got so long is because you didn't clarify your doubt initially when it became obvious that there was a good reason to want a folding smartphone.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Sure, and for the most part I totally agree, though in fairness greater screen real estate is extra functionality, and iPads can do things iPhones can’t.

    But your question was what’s the point, and I think it’s been answered. Whether they offer value is another question, and I don’t think many people are disagreeing with you that no, they don’t really.

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  • [–] [S] -5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    though in fairness greater screen real estate is extra functionality, and iPads can do things iPhones can’t.

    To be fair though, that’s because iPhones and iPads have different hardware and slightly different operating systems. iPad architecture is closer (but not extremely close) to pc type computers, it’s called IpadOS, whereas iPhones run on standard iOS which is less powerful.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    You are so close! You see, there are people that would like to have an iPad mini in their pocket, but its too big. These are the people who want the folding iPhone. Check this out, when unfolded, the new iPhone has almost the same size screen as ...the iPad Mini!

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  • [–] [S] -2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

    I’m not saying you don’t have a point btw I get what you’re trying to say, I just don’t think it’s worth the money for the size difference to be honest. The average cost of the iPhone 18 pro max is around $1,300, and the average cost of the duo is closer to $2,000. I get that the price will drop for the duo, but right now, I just don’t see the point of spending $800 more on 1.5 inch extra screen width for a device that can’t functionally do much more that any other iPhone as far as I’m aware, and I’m sure I’m not the only one out there.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

    don’t see the point of spending $800 more on 1.5 inch extra screen width

    The screen is the point.

    It might seem like the iPhone 18 pro max is similar in size by the diagonal measurement. When measuring by area its not even close. The iPhone Duo has a screen area of 27.1"sq which is almost double 50% more than the iPhone 18 pro max screen area of 18.1"sq. That is a very substantial difference. Whether that is worth the price difference is up to the buyer of course, but you do get almost twice as much 50% more screen on the Duo.

    Essentially, the Duo is better understood as a foldable iPad mini that feels and works like a phone when folded.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    This is middle tech. It is like walking is to speed walking then running. One fold is proof of concept when we get to 3 or 4 folds that's where the magic happens. People watching a video without headphones out in public on a tiny screen, pretty annoying. We are three folds away from someone unfolding a 32" screen to watch their content anywhere also without headphones.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    As the owner of a fold6 I can tell you that one of the reasons I got it is that it could replace the occasional tablet use when you need more space eg maps and pictures.

    In that, it succeeded quite well. However, everything is now optimized toward the standard phone format so it's nice but not really that important.

    Would I buy a phone with a foldable display again? No, because after 22 months with like 1 fold a day the protection already comes off (replacing it is only 20€ if paid but I have to go on a field trip to get it made) and the price for the device is just not worth it.

    So next time standard format again.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    That is definitely not normal, I had my z fold 5 for 2 years and I would say I'm a power user, unfolding it at least 10 or 20 times at minimum per day, and nothing on the phone wore out

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    While that's good to hear, I definitely won't risk it again. Anything mechanical is a high risk anyhow.

    In detail what happens is that air seems to come in from the side of the fold. At first it was a very small 'triangle' on one side but that extended more and more until now there are larger long bubbles at the side of the (vertical) fold which stay there. A bit hard to explain.

    Anyhow, normal or not I now have to deal with that and really didn't want to.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    It's a full color tablet that fits in your pocket. That comes with huge quality of life improvements displaying PDFs, e-books, comics, spreadsheets, charts, diagrams, videos, etc. Have you ever tried reading a PDF on a phone screen? It sucks.

    I've had a fold for a couple years now, and I use the inner screen constantly. If you don't read as much as I do it's probably just a gimmick, but it's great for me.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    The foldable screen was a game changer for me. Id never had a ebook reader before and now all of the sudden I can read a book at work on my breaks. But also the coolest part is getting into graphic novels and comics for the first time in my life. Life changing.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    the coolest part is getting into graphic novels and comics for the first time in my life. Life changing.

    Yup, comics suck on a phone screen. I had been looking for a good color e-reader, and all things considered the portability of the fold made the decision pretty easy

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Meh, people go on about productivity and whatnot but I don't think that's a good thing, if you need to work you use a computer, need to do both? Then use a laptop, people already have no boundaries between work and personal life, foldables are making it worse.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago

    You could say the same thing about laptops, of having a desktop PC in your house.

    How about be an adult and set some boundaries for yourself instead of pretending that since we have improved technology that you’re “enslaved” or something. “Woe is me, Apple hath made it too difficult to avoid my boss with this big luxurious screen!”

    Nah, capitalism did that, sweetie. Your toxic boss did that. But you’re a grown up and you can assert yourself without being rude. Practice in front of the mirror if you have to, okay?

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    I wish they'd bring back slider phones with physical keyboards. Pre-smartphone days I used to have a phone (I don't remember what it was) that was a full touch screen with a physical home and back button on the front and then you flipped it sideways and the back slid down and there was an entire physical keyboard for easy typing/texting. I'm not interested in a folding smartphone, but if they released a slider with an actual keyboard I'd buy it in a heartbeat. I loved that phone and I loved being able to type on the screen with a digital keyboard for quick stuff or flip the keyboard out and use actual keys when I wanted to type a novel of a text message.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    My first smartphone was a Samsung Epic 4G. I still miss the keyboard sometimes…

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    My motorola razr 2025 is a flip smart phone, and as a lady, it actually fits in the pockets of all my pants. My old non-flip phone did not fit in my pockets. It is common for ladies pockets (if pants even have them) to be less than 1/2 the size of pockets found in mens pants.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Solid reasoning but it does treat the symptom rather than the cause, so to speak.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I fully agree. However, most people who design women's clothing will continue to not put functional pockets in them because it does look good. So, I'll do all I can do is continue to buy from brands that actually have functional pockets. It is exhausting. I cannot tell you how many wonderful pants at a good price I have passed up due to either completely fake pockets or pockets so shallow they are only good for a tube of lip balm. My pocket problems aside, I agree that folding phones are quite gimmicky.

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  • [–] 49 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    No point.

    We basically hit the ceiling with phones ten years ago.

    There's no way to improve them without a massive shift in technology [think the shift from prop planes to jets]

    Now they have to come up with new gimmicks to convince people to upgrade.

    It's like 1950's Detroit putting bigger and bigger fins on cars that were basically the same as the 1930's technology.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    It's like oreos. These are the "double stuff" smartphones, haha.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    It's like oreos. These are the "double stuff" smartphones, haha.

    I like the idea that they're called "double stuff" because they doubled the "stuff" in the middle, but couldn't think of a better word to call it other than "stuff"

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Just because you don't see a point doesn't mean there isn't one.

    There are multiple women I know that have a flip folding phone and love it because it fits into women's pockets unlike a full size smartphone that can't be folded in half.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    It would be cheaper for them to buy boys' pants and have them tailored than it would be to buy a new phone.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    Sure, if money is all you care about then a foldable is probably not the right choice. But, many women do in fact want to wear dresses and women's pants and having a phone that fits into them is an advantage. Or people that use a tablet day to day may find it's actually cheaper to buy a foldable than both a smartphone and a tablet and having to carry both with them and charge both and find space for both, when a single device can serve both uses.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    i mean if you're already in the market for a new phone anyway I can see the line of thought with the flip folding ones, the Motorola ones are like 500 bucks or so which isnt bad relatively. i think they're cool as hell but won't get one until the inside screen is more resistant to scratches

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    The functionality of a tablet with the portability of a phone. Seems straightforward and practical to me idk

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    I’d rather have a phone that flips down to the size of a pocket watch. I can’t ever imagine wanting my phone to be even bigger but still less useful than a tablet but there must be a market for it I guess.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    I often switch to my tablet for reading something on a bigger screen

    If I wouldn't have a tablet, a folding phone would be able to provide the bigger screen.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    They break faster than non-folding phones, giving manufacturers an endless source of new revenue.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (3 children)

    Except they don't. I've had my Samsung flip for years.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    They fail faster on average. Just because someone out there is still driving an AMC Gremlin doesn't make it a good car

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    They fail faster on average.

    Maybe the original designs, but not the new screens. The "failures" on old screens were mostly from idiots trying to peel off the plastic layer. It's difficult for engineers to underestimate the public.

    Of course, Apple bots feed Lemmy and Reddit, so now that Apple sells Samsung screens, I'm sure reliability will magically increase.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    That is interesting. I admit I don't keep up with the state of the art on foldable devices because they didn't appeal to me (whenever I need a big screen, I also need a keyboard).

    Someone else said they use their foldable phone to read PDFs; I can see how that would be useful.

    Realistically, could a foldable phone last 5 years of daily use? (5yr is my minimum durability standard. I actually use my phones longer)

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Bigger screen, smaller pocket size.

    They also break easier so you have to buy more phones.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    I'm gonna throw a big asterisk here though. I bought my current pixel 9 pro fold in 2024 and it didn't break until today, when I was opening it. I saw nothing to indicate why it happened.

    I have dropped it enough to be amazed it's late this long.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    I saw nothing to indicate why it happened.

    That alone is a giant red flag to me. I just don't like the idea of adding complexity where it isn't necessary but I understand that is a choice some people make.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    My (adult) son has had a Samsung Fold for several years now and really likes it.

    For him, it's basically a phone and tablet combined, and he no longer uses a separate tablet.

    It's also good for running two apps side by side, and I see him doing that a lot (you can setup app groups that automatically launch together on each half of the inside screen).

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    The iPhone Duo (pictured above) makes a good case. It's a 5.4" phone and iPhone users have been calling for a sub-6" phone for years. Now they can get one, albeit at $1999 to start. Then it opens up to a tablet-sized device for media consumption. So it's convenient.

    I think there's a greater point to be made here, and it's the folding screen itself. I think it's a modern marvel of technology, and it would not advance like it has without mass adoption. Folding phones are pushing that, so the tech is getting better. I don't really see much of a point for it, but I'm glad it exists and a mass market product is driving costs down, and R&D up.

    There are a lot of neat things the Duo does, but none of them are essential to what I do, and certainly not for the cost. For example, I do use StandBy, the iPhone feature where if it's charging and it's on its side, it turns into a clock. The Duo does it in "tent" mode, which means it's open halfway and it's standing on its sides, with its hinge up in the air. The outer screen displays the clock face. Problem is, a regular iPhone can do the same thing with a FlyGrip, a PopSocket, or a $1 picture frame or plate holder you got at Goodwill. I have a $9 phone stand I use at my bedside.

    I think it's funny that Samsung and other Android OEMs have been making them for years, but now that Apple is also making them, people are starting to ask questions. Maybe they had the questions before, but they weren't worth the time to ask when their brand wasn't making them. And that's fair. Unlike Android, iOS doesn't exist to vacuum up all your personal data and sell it to advertisers. So it's perfectly reasonable to be skeeved out by the advertising company that makes phones and the phone OS everyone else uses. Samsung isn't an ad company, but they have to include all the data collecting bits. Gods forbid they make their own OS. Oh wait, they did, it was called Tizen and nobody wanted it.

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  • I think it’s funny that Samsung and other Android OEMs have been making them for years, but now that Apple is also making them, people are starting to ask questions

    To be fair, I did have questions back then, I just didn’t have Lemmy lol. Thanks for your share.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Well, if you're my friend's kid, the point is to make it super easy to accidentally shatter the screen when you close it.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 1 month ago (1 child)
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    Yeah, I felt super bad cuz she had her own flip and it was a year or two old at that point, but her kid closed it on a small bit of something and that was enough, apparently.

    Definitely doesn't make me want a foldable phone, I'm too damned forgetful and would absolutely fuck up my phone like that.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    I don't understand. Do you not see that the screen doubles in size? It's like a 2 in 1 phone/tablet. That's the benefit.

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  • [–] [S] -2 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    I understand that, and yes I agree that it is a benefit for some people, but for others (myself included) it just isn’t.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    As politely as I can, so you do see the point of a folding phone, you just aren’t the market for it. I agree with you that it’s not for me either, but that doesn’t mean they have no point and I recognize the larger screen use case for other people, whatever that means for them.

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  • Absolutely I see your point, I just wondered if there were any other points (ones that might appeal to people who don’t find that particular point appealing), but it doesn’t appear that there is (unless anyone can suggest an alternative to the gimmick). If there is a point, but I don’t see any benefit of that particular point, then to me there is no point. So if there are any other points, I would consider. Idk if I explained my point of view well enough (I did try to explain I considered the folding to be a gimmick in the post above) but that’s it as best I can explain it.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (3 children)

    So, then, you're asking what the point of tablets are? You've never wanted to read on a train?

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    I’m asking: beside the folding space thingy point, what else do the folding phones have in terms of appeal to the consumer (specifically the consumer who doesn’t see any advantage in the space/size points?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    I have a new motorola razr.

    Mainly I just think it is neat, but I do like the little screen on the outside. Ive actually noticed my screentime has decreased a lot. Its something about that extra step of opening it up and being able to handle little things on the small exterior screen.

    I like how it fits in my pocket when folded compared to a normal phone

    Another small thing is that I can set it up half folded to hold my flashlight while working or act as a camera tripod.

    Battery is really good too. I'm not sure if it can just fit more battery or if the small exterior screen limits battery usage when closed, or both.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    Remember before everyone had a smartphone, boomers would sometimes bring a 10 inch tablet to your kids ballet recital and hold it up obnoxiously above everyone's heads to record? We all want to relive that.

    More seriously, it's for people who want the portability of a phone with the size of a tablet. Not something I want, but to each their own.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    Back in the day, flip phones were nice as they fit in your pocket.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    I think the point is to make them bigger so they can start selling smaller ones in the hear future and keep the endless cycle of "New" phones going on forever, like a subscription but with extra steps.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    Fits in my pocket

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    I own a Motorola razer 2020, absolutely love this phone! It's five years old. Love that it folds and fits in my hand, pockets, cup holders and the like. When I'm ready I will most definitely get the new Razor.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    Cool, but I gotta ask… cup holders? May I ask in what context is one storing their phone in a cup holder?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago

    In the context of people who use their phone while driving because they selfishly don’t care about the lives of people around them and can’t just wait a few minutes before responding to messages and watching videos.

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    As someone who's used one before. I can see the benefit. But in order to be useful, it would need to replace something. Right now, the main thing it replaces is tablets. Me personally, I dont care for tablets and its also why i dont like folding phones. Either I do whatever I need to do on my phone or my laptop.

    But the more interesting idea is it replacing the laptop. The idea of a singular device being able to run both desktop and mobile apps, makes it a little more intriguing. The closest you can get to this right now is Samsung dex (and I think android 17?). Hopefully in the future though, Linux phones will become more stable and useable. That'd genuinely be amazing.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    Flips are awesome, folds (opens on a vertical joint) are ass

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