...The new research finding shows that the human brain consists of two ancient nervous systems cleverly packaged together — a more primitive part that regulates our hearts’ beating, our breathing and other functions, and another that makes us distinctly human, capable of poetry, mathematics and wondering about our own origins.

The discovery could help explain why scientists have struggled for decades to grow certain types of brain cells in the laboratory — and it opens new avenues for studying devastating diseases that affect the brain stem, such as spinal muscular atrophy (also known as SMA) and amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (also known as ALS or Lou Gehrig’s disease).

“We’ve shown for the first time that the front of the brain arises from a totally different progenitor cell than the back of the brain,” said Kyle Loh, PhD, associate professor of developmental biology. “Our discovery means that we can now grow neurons from the back of the brain, the hindbrain, in a petri dish and study their functions.”...

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[–] 3 points 1 month ago

Thanks for improving this post by adding the pertinent quotes. This is indeed big news for people whose present treatment options are very limited.

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    [–] 70 points 1 month ago (9 children)

    The parts for dummies like me:

    Forebrain and midbrain: the thing you think of when someone says brain

    Hindbrain: the brainstem/bottom part going to spine

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  • [–] 24 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    Weird, I kind of already considered them separate organs...

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  • [–] 17 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    If you've ever seen them in a cadaver lab, the brain stem always had slightly different texture and color.

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  • [–] 44 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    But what about the mouthfeel?

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  • [–] 64 points 1 month ago

    Neat, has nothing to do with your two hemispheres if you haven't read the article.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 month ago

    "We are two brains" - Brain.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Inside of you there are two brains meme when

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Amazing what one can learn in the details. TIL that face musculature is controlled by the hindbrain. I always thought they were run like all the other actively controlled muscles.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    I’m in two minds about this.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    They deserve the Nobel prize

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    Funny enough, I already guessed what parts of the brain they were talking about.

    I always thought it was fun to think of the brainstem as the Id to the midbrain and cortex' Ego and Superego (specially the prefrontal cortex, that's my favorite part of a brain). Freud was pretty coked out of his mind but those terms remain kinda cool to me as a metaphor, lol.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Freud is funny because there is usually a nugget of truth buried under all his bullshit. Like, not everybody wants to fuck their mom like he did but the way your parents raise you will determine how you attach to others.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    It's how Seinfeld isn't that funny anymore: what he got right is now so foundational to the whole field that it's basically common sense, so he's only famous for what he got wrong.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    And it might even be that these different personality pieces (Id, Ego, Superego) actually have different locations in the (different) brain(s), (which would be pretty awesome - Freud with his limited information actually having glimpsed structural information about our nervous system would be insane), distributed in the way you just mentioned. Many subconscious decisions depend on very basic impulses, the kind of which the brainstem/midbrain is responsible for. This might have repercussions into psychiatry and psychotherapy.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    Wow, that was a really fascinating article. I suppose this will also factor in to understanding the differing ability for higher thought between us and other animals.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    It's not unique to humans at all. They originally found the two types of brain cells by looking at mouse embryos. Then,

    "Finally, the researchers looked back over 550 million years of evolutionary time. They found the same two-origin brain pattern in chickens; zebrafish; and, remarkably, in acorn worms, tiny creatures living on the ocean floor that share a distant common ancestor with humans. Jellyfish, which diverged from humans about 600 to 700 million years ago, have two nervous systems at different ends of their body.

    “Our research suggests that evolution took two existing neural systems and pushed them together spatially,” Loh said. “Having the brain as one organ would probably be more efficient, but we rely on this primordial way to make the brain as two separate pieces.”

    We've long known the forebrain, midbrain and hindbrain control different things, we just didn't know the hindbrain neuron cells evolved so fundamentally differently. Being able to grow the right kind in a lab will enable research that wasn't possible before.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Maybe it's one for automatic processes and another for manual?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    In a way, yes. Breathing is a very interesting case here. Breathing is controlled by both sides, actually. At night, you don't want to have to think about breathing in, breathing out. But for diving and swimming and speaking, you need precise and active control.

    So there is a complex mechanism to hand over the control from one side to the other. Sudden infant death syndrome is probably linked to the development of this handover process.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago*

    Dr. Hfuhruhurr: Get that cat out of here!

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago*

    Headless chickens are a good example of this. If the chop leaves enough of the brain stem intact, then the now headless chicken can still run around and "live" for some time. Since "running around like a headless chicken" is a saying in several languages, this probably wasn't an ultra rare occurrence.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_the_Headless_Chicken

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    We all sort of/kind of knew this but we never realized this? That's kinda crazy. Glad it has been formally established.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    they didn't explain mid brain. is that also forebrain cells?

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    That’s what I read. I thought it said mid- and fore- have the same gene expressions, whereas the hindbrain has a distinctly different gene expression and development.

    They identified two different brain progenitor cells. One, which expresses a gene called Otx2, is destined to become the forebrain and midbrain. The other, which expresses a gene called Gbx2, is committed to forming the hindbrain.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    It’s not too dissimilar to Windows OS. If you’ve gone into the System application of the Control Panel, you can flip the Windows host to optimize for services or applications. And I think they mean the hindbrain, as in the brain stem and medulla oblongata, is one type of neuron, whereas the lobes — occipital, temporal, frontal, etc. — are another type. The former is likely genetically-optimized for fight or flight, reflexes, and such, whereas the latter is for added analysis, deeper reasoning, etc.

    Did I read that right? Maybe I muddied some brain structures between these types of neurons? Eh, I’m no neurologist.

    In a college course, we discussed the idea of System 1 and System 2. The System 1 (autonomic, unconscious) handles primitive work — fight or flight, organ management, and feelings, but it’s reliable, whereas System 2 requires more conscious effort and it’s linked with consciousness and it can intercede in a decision, if applied. So, now, there is genetic evidence to support this System 1&2 idea. Fascinating.

    NOTE: I said Windows had a similar setting; however, unlike us meat suits, we shouldn’t and can’t swap between these.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    And I think they mean the hindbrain, as in the brain stem and medulla oblongata, is one type of neuron, whereas the lobes — occipital, temporal, frontal, etc. — are another type.

    Hindbrain and the lobes aren't neuron. Neither are they a type of neuron.
    They have neurons. Of different types.

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    [–] 28 points 1 month ago

    This is wildly fucking cool and has great potential, very interesting read if you're into this sort of thing.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    The Crocodile and the Octopus.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Finds or decides? Any classification wholly depends on your chosen definition.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    The article clearly delineates why instead of one organ, the brain is now considered as two separate organs. The forebrain and hind brain don't have the same progenitor cells. If they don't originate from the same cells, how can they be considered one organ? They are just right next to each other, like the gallbladder and the liver.

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    [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    That explains a lot

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    [–] 10 points 1 month ago

    So some people are missing two organs now.

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