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[–] 10 points 1 month ago

burning excessive fossil fuels is the manlinest of manliness things ever, doncha know, coal rolling bro o’ mine?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago*

    “Wankpanzer” - I will definitely start using that phrase. Big cars with little men drivers, usually they drive these things to compensate for their smallish penises.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    ""The local police commissioner has warned that reckless drivers “will face the full force of the law … including seizure of your vehicle and imprisonment”. But are the courts listening?

    Of the three men convicted at Birmingham magistrates court, one received a suspended sentence, a £272 fine, 150 hours of community work and a two-year driving ban. Another was handed a £1,275 fine and seven penalty points: in other words, he could step out of the court and back into his car. The man who did over 90mph in a 30mph zone got a £253 fine and a 56-day driving ban. He’ll be back on the roads in November. All appear to have kept their cars.""


    Same thing happens in Poland. Police stops reckless drivers and court takes away their driving licenses. They keep driving, get stopped, and judges forbid them from driving. One guy was forbidden to drive over 30 times. No jail or nothing. Just a slap on the wrist.

    And no one really knows why. Some of those people are well connected but not all of them. Judges simply don't think it's a problem that should be solved for some reason.

    It's a bit better in Spain. Where I live police is actually tracking social media and using drones to find and stop illegal races. It also looks like judges are trying to help as I've seen cases where suspended jail time was handed out in first offense cases or reckless driving. It is still barely making a dent. I think the main problem is that idiot drivers are very determined. They will not stop meeting, driving like idiots and making noise because they got a fine or two. You would have to prosecute and jail thousands or people to stop it.

    Singapore is fighting street racing culture and it's taking a lot of work including raids on car workshops and prosecutions of mechanics doing illegal modifications. They are getting some results but it's not easy.

    As with everything the solution would have to be more drastic and affect everyone: mandatory speed limiters in every car, immediate confiscation or cars surpassing noise and emission limits. Of course most people will not agree to it so what's left are some half-measures that limit the issue but never really solve it.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    I think some measures should be educational. In the Netherlands there was a TV program about reckless driving, depicting how deranged it was and how dangerous. It actually helped people reflect. Problem is that we watch “Fast and Furious” and it’s cool to race. We watch police car chases and think it’s cool. There is so little media coverage about how sociopathic of a behavior that is.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago* (6 children)

    I mean I'm usually the odd one out here because I'm into mechanical things, rural areas, and Motorsport.

    I fully agree, assholes driving like this on public roads deserve prison. Even more so if in a vehicle weighing over 3000 lbs. I HATE SUVS AND TRUCKS SO DAMN MUCH. whew.

    Keep racing on the track. Issue is, cops hate tracks, cities hate them, Karen's hates them, so there is no where for us to actually do our hobby. Sure you may say its a stupid hobby but anyone could say that about anything.

    Street crime goes down when tracks are built, its a fact.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    I like to drive simulations. Hell, sometimes I even shoot people in simulation. But in the real world, I don't burn petroleum into the open atmosphere just for shits and giggles. One reason is that it fucking kills people.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    Life isn't a simulation. The device you wrote that comment on killed people for slave labor, or did you mine your own metals to make the hardware?

    Unless youre gonna go live in a cave and eat dirt, literally every aspect of your life is killing and enslaving the less fortunate.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    Y’ever been bullied?

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  • [+] -14 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Petro-masculinity? Lmfao way to lose half the public

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Last near car crash I had was with a woman who drove past my skidding bicycle and just smirked at me like I was a clown on stilts.

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  • [+] -9 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I assume you were the one running the red light / stop sign?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    Fuck you for assuming: No lights as it was a small Dutch residential road with a raised to pedestrian hight exit/entrance to a smaller residential street. I was cycling on the main road on the orange cycle lane she wanted to enter the road. It was obvious I was there she just didn’t care. (This was in Baarn a place full of villas and large cottage’s)

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    [+] 65 points 1 month ago* (30 children)
  • [–] 46 points 1 month ago (20 children)

    Is there any action that won't trigger spite from this type of person? Their entire existence consists of playing the victim and throwing tantrums because somebody advocated for something different to what they are used to.

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  • [–] 37 points 1 month ago* (11 children)

    This thread got me thinking. I think OP is correct that we need to stop doing the masculinity thing. If its a behavior change we are hoping for a better way to cause self reflection might be to use some of the noble features of what they think masculinity is. Does a protector drive like that and endanger everyone? Other peoples families / kids are also on the road. Would someone trust you to drive their loved ones around? Dont you want to be the guy everyone can count on to do the right thing and get us back safe?

    Hey man I saw you pull into the lot the other day. I was surprised cause don't act like you would drive that way. Make them question how they are being perceived. A little manipulative but fuck it.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    Nah, this doesn't work. I tried to gently tell a guy at the gas station one time, in one of those huge lifted pickups, that he had his brights on (as a hint that his headlights were too fucking bright) and he freaked out on me, screaming, threatening, etc.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    Gently doesn't work and you were a stranger. These messages need to come from friends or acquaintances / coworkers / clients. The message needs to be delivered assertively while leaving them a small out to protect their ego.

    They won't change in front of you, they need to process that on their own. Don't rub their face in it if they change.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

    They won’t change

    shoulda stopped there. these idiots have made their entire culture about this trash and it's killing us all.

    edit: I love how many car-thusiast dickheads are in #fuckcars

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Listen dude I dont disagree largely, but people can and do change all the time. My posts are solution focused should you want to try something to the chuds in your life, be safe.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (4 children)

    people can and do change all the time

    pfft. people die. that's about it. look at how many carthusiast dickheads are in this thread defending cars.

    we're going to die because they love their zoom zooms more than they can comprehend it's killing the fucking thing that lets them breath and makes their food. And you're defending them bwhahaha. don't rub it in their face - why?

    THEY RUB IT INTO OUR LUNGS EVERY FUCKING DAY, HOW THICK DO YOU HAVE TO BE TO IGNORE THAT?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Do you want to be right or do you want things to improve? You don't rub it in their face because its antagonizing and ultimately defeats the purpose of trying to help them see another way to act.

    Also not defending cars you dumbass.

    Also, do you eat meat? Animal ag contributes more to environmental decay than cars.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    things will never improve as long as they get to shit in your life without resistance. and good luck with the meat thing lol, you think getting them off their car fetish is bad good luck with that. you're literally telling me to be nice to people who couldn't give two fucks about you.

    you're defending the chuds, even worse than defending the cars.

    pescatarian, not that it's ANY of your fucking business, but great attempt to distract with other garbage.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    Making fun of them, making them part of the outgroup. You can’t show fear, so in this case with the car just get out of the way and let them fuck tenderness up the road because they will get caught. Or call the cops and say they are swerving appearing drunk lol.

    But in regular life you basically need to laugh in their face and cut them out of being in the group.

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  • [+] 3 points 1 month ago (6 children)
  • [–] -4 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Maybe, maybe not. I know for a fact that this type of communication backfires spectacularly though.

    dumbest sentences I've read in ages. "MAYBE, MAYBE NOT, BUT I KNOW FOR A FACT"

    well then if you know for a fact, it's not maybe, maybe not? do you even think about what you're writing?

    apologist for garbage, wants people to think about the poor persecuted masculinity.

    pfft. poor fucking babies

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  • [+] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)
  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago*

    This rhetoric makes chuds double down.

    they doubled, tripled and mortgaged their house, grandparents and teeth a long time ago.

    not any more offensive than maybe maybe not i know for a fact lol.

    I love that the chuds can engage in whatever heinous shit they want to say, outright racism fascism etc., but you're upset for the chuds that'll be upset.

    DUDE, GET YOUR FUCKING PRIORITIES IN ORDER

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    The sentence,

    Maybe, maybe not

    relates to the question,

    Is there any action that won’t trigger spite from this type of person?

    from the poster above.

    The phrase,

    I know for a fact

    refers to the phrase,

    this type of communication

    that being,

    The dude 6" off your bumper is not going to hear “petro-masculinity” and have a quiet contemplative moment about carbon emissions and road safety. He’s going to feel scolded, hear that you’re triggered and frightened of his masculinity, and then he’s going to start driving even more aggressively out of spite.

    which, of course, is a strict subset of "any action". It is therefore entirely possible to have certain knowledge of one without certain knowledge of the other.

    Maybe you should learn how to read full sentences before you ask people if they think before writing?

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    He’s going to feel scolded, hear that you’re triggered and frightened of his masculinity, and then he’s going to start driving even more aggressively out of spite.

    HE FUCKING SHOULD. HE SHOULD BE TRIGGERED.

    You are completely missing the point in some silly fucking kindness competition.

    As for your rhetorical chops, construct better sentences bro. jfc

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    I haven't taken any side in the kindness debate, I am merely taking issue with the fact that you lack basic reading comprehension skills and you're being an arsehole to other people about it.

    Case in point:

    He’s going to feel scolded, hear that you’re triggered and frightened of his masculinity...

    HE FUCKING SHOULD. HE SHOULD BE TRIGGERED.

    Read that quote again. The scoldee is not the person who is triggered in that sentence. The scoldee imagines that that scolder is triggered.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    He’s going to feel scolded, hear that you’re triggered and frightened of his masculinity,

    oh poor fuckin baby, he's gonna feel scolded because he's being CALLED OUT ON HIS SHIT BEHAVIOR

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  • [+] 9 points 1 month ago (4 children)
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    I don't give a fuck about points, people need to see that this behavior is unacceptable.

    they're shitting into your lungs, your children's future, you should be outraged. their petulant garbage is poisoning the entire fucking planet, cooking us where we live, the fact that you're not incensed is an indicator of how easy they've had it. every vroom takes food off your kids plate, every belch of smog adds to the asthma and copd.

    how can you have any idea of the damage and NOT be angry? are you that much of a chickenshit that you'll watch a bunch of utter morons destroy the ONLY KNOWN, ACCESSIBLE, LIVABLE ECOSYSTEM IN THE ENTIRE FUCKING UNIVERSE, and won't even get a bit cranky because 'oh it's to score points'

    fuck points, I want my kids to live in a world that's not an ecological hellscape.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Petro masculinity 😂.

    It’s like they want people to make fun of them.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago

    gonna be a fascinating time as gas spikes and these chuds lose their whole personality over not being able to drive their roided up shitmobiles everywhere.

    same with monster truck rallies - how long can that garbage continue? or any conspicuous consumption?

    we're better off with it all dead.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago

    Look at history.

    "Whippersnapper" came from young men racing horses and buggies on the roads. They'd snap the whips over the horses heads to make them go faster.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    Petro-Insecurity, not Petro-Masculinity

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    culture war? class war? as far as I can tell it's a battle between the rich and stupid who want to pollute and don't give a shit for future generations, and the rest of the species who just want to fucking live.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I'm reminded of the anti-union poster suggesting not paying union dues, rather buying a game console instead.

    After the 2024 election it appears that Americans genuinely cannot think further than their own impulses.

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    I’m reminded of the anti-union poster suggesting not paying union dues, rather buying a game console instead.

    valid.

    After the 2024 election it appears that Americans genuinely cannot think further than their own impulses.

    depressingly accurate.

    I just don't see it as upper class vs lower class, as much as polluter enthusiast class vs. the rest of us who like breathing

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    Rolling coal, giant lifted trucks, all this shit, just take their licenses away forever and let them drown in the car-centric cesspool they created.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 month ago* (6 children)

    My mom drives like this, don't be sexist about a non gendered issue. Ah just realized it's from the opinion article title.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    yes, I'm sure there are a couple of dozen examples to the contrary... nationwide.

    overwhelmingly the aggressive drivers and motorheads whose entire personality is VROOM VROOM are male.

    You know this, I know this, you see it every day, but sure, throw your mom under the bus.... Cute

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    My dad is the safe driver so it's weird

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  • [+] -8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

    good for you. you know that's a vanishingly small counter example to the overwhelmingly male crowd represented by the motorheads.

    ah, the 'but aktchually' crowd

    edit: lol but aktchually look at all the angry downvotes what a bucket o chuds

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    My wife is also the crazy driver tho when she's on her women cycle and something triggers her anxiety(almost anything). Even my father in law complemented my driving and told her to learn from me.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    Because a cop's job is to protect the rich. They do the bare minimum to keep us in line, to keep the people from considering rioting, to keep us going to work, etc.

    Power doesn't care whether we kill each other, wreck cars, plow over kids in the cross-walk, etc. Power has no empathy. Power only cares when we get so fed up we take to the streets and show up at their front door with torches and pitchforks. That's when the cops earn their pay, when they show up in force, kitted out, and ready to rumble.

    Kids being shot inside the school? Hold back till the shooting stops, don't want any of us getting hurt.

    People rioting and threatening power directly? Bring out the tanks. Remember the George Floyd protests?

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    My wife does this and she drives an EV. So what’s “Petro” and “masculine” about that?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago*

    Was about to say the same, almost. I see plenty of women drivers who approach my vehicle from behind very rapidly as I'm going the speed limit, so clearly they are going very fast, and tailgating as well. This is not just men.

    Also I hope you tell your wife to slow down and not be a danger/annoyance to others. ❤️

    Also what's in the Epstein files?

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    [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    Honestly driving fast is kinda overrated and probably a consequences of driving big comfortable cars and people bring dopamine junkies

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Because we think it kills more of them than it actually kills the rest of us?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    Racing has existed since the beginning of time, ever since one person challenged another that they are faster, and the bet was called. The Need for Speed is not just a cars problem... From horses to bikes, autos, boats, airplanes, and even commuter trains, someone wants to go fast. Best we can do is enforce and penalize dangerous behavior on the road and not shut down every motorsport park that gives people an "out" for this.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Trump is solving one part of the problem.... Now only rich assholes can have a big ass truck. So they'll probably be less and probably have insurance. Probably.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    M.A.D.D. was too weak for the Vin Diesel onslaught. Also, fuck Jackie Stewart! /s

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    It's ignored by police because it's one or more less vehicles traveling fast. Not every State Trooper or Police Officer is trained to drive 140 mph or higher, I would guess most aren't. I'm sure the idiots in the trucks don't know how to drive that fast either.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Maybe play up their petro-instability. Describe how much more aggressively they can drive with the massive instant torque of an EV, compared to their obsolete clanking collection of gears

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    i see people switching lanes suddenly without warning is more dangerous.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    Driving that’s too fast, too dangerous and utterly lawless: why do we tolerate this petro-masculinity?

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  • [+] -7 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    This sounds very whiny. Why don't you get your local council to build some speed bumps. No one is going to speed up over them. And the idiots will then go on to get killed on the empty country roads.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    You're right, sending them my orders now. Local council have to do everything I tell them, right?

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  • [+] -10 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    People racing around you at night sounds like a problem of everyone. If enough people are affected then the council will surely listen

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    And writing articles about a problem is not a valid way of getting more people to support your cause and convincing politicians to address them? How are people supposed to get their councils to do something without complaining about it?

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  • [+] -6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Men have risk-taking burned into their DNA thanks to hundreds of thousands of years of primate evolution. This is not anything that can be switched off.

    And It will come out whether society wants it to or not.

    What truly matters is if there is a venue in which such risk-taking can freely exist, equally as unrestrained and chaotic, without impacting wider society. Because if that venue doesn’t exist… any venue immediately available will be violently cracked open regardless of what anyone wants.

    It all comes down to supply and demand. If the demand is there, supply will be generated regardless of the punishments in place to discourage it. And frequently in spite of punishments, as successful evasion becomes an integral part of the risk-taking as well.

    You cannot smother basic human nature. That has never worked at any time in human history. All you can do is divert it and insulate the rest of society from it.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    the bioessensialist likes to thing their dumbassery is merely a design of nature rather than a conscious decision to be defeatist and interpret everything in self-serving ways

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    the bioessensialist likes to thing their dumbassery is merely a design of nature rather than a conscious decision to be defeatist and interpret everything in self-serving ways

    That’s like saying “evolution isn’t real”.

    Actually, no. That is saying exactly that.

    So you’re a flat-earther of the young-earth-creationist variety. Cool beans.

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