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[–] 23 points 1 month ago* (4 children)

Ok... Just don't expect me to pay for a game that you didn't bother paying artist and programmers to make, that is, if I had any desire to play slop games in the first place.

The most reasonable argument against software and media piracy has always been based on the ethics, morality and sustainability of financially supporting the people who create things that you enjoy. But in a new era of lazy and cheap generative slop that is trained on the theft and exploitation of the working class, why would anyone give a shit about supporting the "developers"--if you can even still call them that.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago* (3 children)

    Idk about artists, but programmers you're gonna hire in 2026 are almost all gonna Use AI. Only programmers I know that don't use AI are millennial indie developers or interns at corpos who actually wanna learn stuff.

    I myself was against AI, but this is what I saw with my own eyes. If it's a corporation, it's 99℅ using generative AI for coding. Still am, but this is the reality.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    As a programmer myself I haven't found that to be my experience. For every programmer I know that embraces generative AI tools, I know at least 1 or 2 who are critical of them, be it for ethical reasons or technical reasons. I'm not seeing a huge increase in productivity or quality patches either... But then again I'm probably in that camp of anti-corporate FOSS-loving indie millennials...

    Regardless... whether it's common practice or not doesn't change the point that piracy is a whole lot easier to morally justify when developers and publishers are creating things an in unethical and exploitative way.

    Publishers lose whatever ethical high ground they may have had to wring their hands about piracy when they are leveraging other people's stolen labor.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 month ago

    Sounds like mostly big corpos, and their stated policies aren’t completely egregious but doubt they’re being enforced:

    the most common response among developers was “conducting human verification, correction, and supervision.” The majority of responses cited practices such as specifying or restricting the tools used and avoiding the direct use of generated output.

    It’s possible that employees are just saying they use it to appease their bosses, as well.

    It still sucks though and still highlights the importance of voting with your wallet AND indie devs who make pledges to be AI-free.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    I've read that the sentiment in Japan is much less critical of generative AI. No idea is that's true, but could explain it.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Speaking anecdotally based on my conversations with SO who is a native Japanese speaker and very glued into internet culture. She's more liberal than most though.

    It's not entirely true that AI is more popular in Japan. In fact, many creatives feel that the practice is in violation of Japan's much more strict copyright policies (compared to the US) and are seeking government action (which, so far, they are waffling back and forward on based on the week to week dynamics with the US. Weeks where the US footguns itself, they humor it again.) So in some respects, AI is a direct threat to the only power that modern Japan has in the global economy: soft power and intellectual property. They aren't the same Japan as the 80s, even cars aren't doing as well as they used to.

    That being said, Japanese cultural dynamics are such that people are much more willing to "put up" with things instead of resistance. This creates the appearance of what people think is complete acceptance, but it's generally more complicated than that socially speaking. It's more a complacency to fall in line with how their employers or how their government feels about AI.

    Government action toward AI is basically inexistent in most parts of the world right now, but I understand that a big part of this is US capitulation since the entire US economy is propped up by AI hype. Japan, much like Europe in the Ukraine situation, is unfortunately very dependent on the United States now for Oil due to the Strait of Hormuz closure and are not yet willing to do provocative action against US companies who are in definite blatant infringement of Japanese copyright laws. This has ruffled feathers of some activist politicians, but unfortunately Japan is very much losing it's own battle to the far right atm due to xenophobic spread of misinformation from AI generated anti foreigner rhetoric.

    That's my understanding of the situation. And again, this is second hand and purely anecdotal discussion, but I think it's a bit more complicated than acceptance of generative AI and more a commentary on how acceptance works in Japan in the first place.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    It’s not entirely true that AI is more popular in Japan.

    This doesn't really match my experience living here. Everywhere seems to be using it and I've not seen any major pushback. Signs in train stations, city/municipal offices, and much more. It's replacing translators at tons of companies (including mine) even though it is less accurate than human translators. The dev jobs are all starting to require AI use and even AI agent experience; not as much as I see in other countries, but it's increasing. People talk about asking AI for all kinds of things when I'm out in the world.

    Japan has a worker shortage. This is seen by many, along with robotics, as filling positions that need filling (or at least allowing people to devote more time to them if their other duties take less time now with AI). A large amount of xenophobic to outright racist people are also pleased by this; some on the right see this as a benefit because they think they don't need those pesky foreign workers anymore.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    It's wild to me with how extreme Japan has been with copyright in the past they'd be so passive with the wholesale stealing of entire industries historical output for repackaging and selling by others. It'd be like if companies set up shop in Japan to sell a service where you could download multi-tb files of roms, books, managa, art, etc.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago

    because at the end of the day, Japan, like most fascist countries, is only interested in market dominance, not creativity, arts, and fulfillment. Games grant them subsidized soft power internationally. And if that soft power is ever gone, they’ll go back to imperialism.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    85% wont get people's money. Handcraft or get the door.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    Why not footcrafted? Just joking. Although there was some anime I watched, that if I had to take a shot of vodka every time it panned to feet, I would pass out drunk. I think there was seven in one episode. I was thinking do you guys want to tell the story or... draw feet?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago
    [–] 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Yuck. Gaming is souless and dead.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    That's logical and expected: that anime style many of them are using is quite "standardized", so I believe a machine can easily generate images of high enough quality.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Anime is the country music of animation.

    There's some good stuff out there but it's become so homogenized, the average country song sounds exactly like every other country song.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    This is an example of Sturgeon’s Law, which essentially states that “90% of everything is crap.”

    Science fiction author Theodore Sturgeon was defending the merits of his genre, which many people considered full of crap in the 1950s.

    It’s not a country or an anime issue, it’s a law of averages and a curation issue.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I did not say it was crap. I don't think there's anything wrong with it! It's also not out-group homogeneity.

    The styles are just so well-defined, you can follow a simple formula. Country songs are gonna use the same chord progressions with the same song structure because that's what it is.

    Anime characters have big eyes and hair that defies gravity. They use the same unique-to-anime facial expressions to convey emotions. There's a design language that they follow.

    Maybe a better example: traditional folk music. The styles are already established so the bulk of new music is going to follow the formula.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    Out-group homogeneity has nothing to do with what I was talking about. In fact, what I said was the opposite. That even the in-group often thinks a lot of the content sucks.

    I’m actually not sure you read anything that I wrote, but that’s ok!

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    ?? I was saying that your explanation is not what I meant. I made it clear in the first line that I wasn't saying country and anime suck.

    Then I brought up out-group homogeneity because I was about to talk about homogeneity. I wanted to be clear it wasn't that either.

    I read your comment and my response wasn't rude. No need to get snarky.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    I still wonder what game will cause :surprisedpika: when westerners to find out Asians are ok with stealing art, and diffusions.
    perhaps they’ll accept it, as they seem to be accepting #stopkillinggames losses.

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    [–] 65 points 1 month ago

    Well, I have a big enough backlog to never run out of games if I live to break world records, so fuck all the new shit let the industry die.

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  • [–] 106 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    In the 2025 report, the most commonly cited use of AI was the generation of visual assets and images, followed by story and text generation, and finally programming support.

    So assets and story are to go first.

    We automated the art, so humans can focus on labor.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Hold your horses, making by hand another 1000 cheap ugly stock waifu gacha images is not art. It is and was slop.

    Most j-games that have ads that reach me were slop since forever. Same story, same looking girls, same gameplay.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    I mean, that makes perfect sense. Game development is mostly programming, so if you're an aspiring game developer these are probably inconvenient bits you want to get out of the way rather than what you're there for.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 month ago

    I can't prove it, but I've felt like a lot of the girls from gacha games have been generated for a while now.

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  • [–] 51 points 1 month ago* (9 children)

    2026 is so depressing, lol. I've noticed this with some (non-gaming) Korean media, where the writing feels very AI (and I'm kind of suspecting a lot of it is considering East Asia's quick embrasure of it).

    All of this is easy to legislate (not necessarily fix because people will just lie and face no consequence if they're rich). Ban generative AI for commercial purposes.

    Anything with art, being that games, illustration, even writing feels tainted these days. Those of us who don't want gen AI are going to have to find ways to form our own communities (and hope we can trust the majority of people in them).

    On the bright side, I'm suddenly feeling okay with not getting to play a lot of the Switch 2 games.

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  • [–] 37 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    Where Winds Meet is a Chinese free-to-play RPG that was briefly popular earlier this year. The devs actually considered it a selling point that NPCs and sidequests were entirely LLM-driven. Look up a video if you want to see some of the most awkward and cringe-inducing dialog this side of Soulstorm.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    Most national medias are running AI services to translate "important" international stories.

    I wish they'd spend less time running international stories (I know it's for the boomers incapable of reading English) and more time on doing proper journalism

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  • [+] -9 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Ban generative AI for commercial purposes.

    Because?

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  • [–] 19 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Because generative AI has been built off the backs of everyone, whether they consented or not. Because AI companies (Nvidia, Facebook, pick a company) have pirated enough material to keep any individual in jail for life, and yet they have no consequences and can profit off everything.

    If generative AI can not be used for commercial purposes, it also cripples the ability to replace artists, writers, etc., with an AI that stole all their work in the first place and is regurgitating it. Generative AI isn't the issue, and it won't go away (I wish it would, but the world doesn't work that way). It's the way it's being used. Take the profit out of it, and we can all (to some degree) benefit from it. Take the profit out of it, and stop them from hoarding and destroying books/knowledge, destroying the environment, destroying your economy.

    I'm sure people more well-read into generative AI can give a better example than a layman who is tired of billionaires and trillionaires doing whatever they like with no consequence, destroying our environment, our jobs, our economy, and now our souls along the way.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    Because generative AI has been built off the backs of everyone, whether they consented or not.

    This is covered by fair use, and in any case intellectual property is bullshit.

    Because AI companies (Nvidia, Facebook, pick a company) have pirated enough material to keep any individual in jail for life, and yet they have no consequences and can profit off everything.

    Legally, downloading stuff illegally is a civil content, so you can't in fact go to jail for it, only pay fines. Morally, the whole concept of piracy evolved out of government-granted monopolies and was pushed by rich pricks as a way to get richer at the expense of everyone else, so there's no reason to give it any moral weight.

    If generative AI can not be used for commercial purposes, it also cripples the ability to replace artists, writers, etc., with an AI that stole all their work in the first place and is regurgitating it.

    "Protecting jobs from competition" is very low on my list of things I want enforced via state violence. Maybe it's high on yours, but I'd like not to get state violence'd to satisfy your sensibilities thank you very much. Otherwise you can't complain when, say, conservatives use state violence so enforce their sensibilities on you.

    Take the profit out of it, and we can all (to some degree) benefit from it. Take the profit out of it, and stop them from hoarding and destroying books/knowledge, destroying the environment, destroying your economy.

    Uh... what? What's your reasoning there?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    No matter how much pirates try to push the point by repeating it, I have never agreed with the sentiment that intellectual property is bullshit. Has it been co-opted by large businesses to stifle forward movement? Yes. Does it still have a place that can protect genuine creators? Also yes.

    But it’s very hard to convince people of this position if they’ve never had the experience of investing (equivalent of) thousands of personal dollars or man-hours into a work where they had some investment, monetary or emotional, in its success.

    The universal anti-state-violence argument is also so circular. Do we believe state cops should murder black people? Obviously not. Who do we think should stop them? How about internal affairs peacekeepers and court-owned marshalls. Oh, so now we’re back to promoting state sponsored violence against preferred targets?

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  • [–] 22 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    The one country known almost specifically for it's art and music, lol

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  • [–] 23 points 1 month ago (13 children)

    This seems weird to me. Isn't Japanese culture obsessed with aesthetics? Like when you buy fast food there it actually looks neat and clean like in advertisements, and you might spend a small fortune on a couple of strawberries but they'll be the brightest, most flawless specimens you'll see in your lifetime. Even cheap throwaway meals are packaged like a professional food stylist went over them.

    That focus on perfection seems incongruent with the slop machine that churns out soulless, derivative, and often obviously flawed 'art'.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago

    There's a big difference between what's happening in the commercial world and art circles. I can't speak for food but with regards to the topic here, Japan has a huge creator market and that market responds very differently. A year back, their biggest creator fair had a few "artists" selling AI "art" but essentially no one was interested and they hardly sold anything while others had sprawling queues. This year there was pretty much 0 as a result.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 month ago

    Having lived in Japan for over a decade, I think the west generally over-elevates/-mystifies Japan. Capitalists gonna capitalist. They can do more work with fewer people and make more money. Most Japanese consumers also do not care at all about generative AI. It's in the train stations, city offices, and everywhere else as a part of the normal.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    Japanese creatives are now heavily split on LLMs. What with half taken to defend their work with watermarks and proofs of timelapses and manual processes, and there's fierce loyalty for Miyazaki et. al. While others are either playing with dozens of LLMs to produce even animations, churning out thirst traps by the dozen, and still others "enhancing" game screenshots of their player characters in poses and skimpy clothing.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago

    Maybe they have high standards for what they generate, use the models as "fillers" or "finishers" (broadly adding details or patterns to a base sketch, then touching up on any errors or ungeneratable details), or rely on models they've vetted for consistent quality? I doubt they're all using a piss filter chatgpt text to image gen.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Yeah, it does seem inconsistent with the view that anything AI touches must obviously look awful.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Self selecting bias. If all AI is bad, then if it's good it's not ai by definition.

    My point is, probably a lot more content is ai than people think, but they don't notice.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    you might spend a small fortune on a couple of strawberries

    Isn't that mostly because their farms are so far behind and producing such low volumes that they can only survive with artisanal hand picked/whatever products

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  • [–] 18 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    Looking it up, while the high-end gift fruits are insanely expensive (hundreds of dollars), regular fruit seems to be widely available and costs the equivalent of a dollar or two. So it's more expensive than in Western countries, but not exorbitantly so. They also tend to be unnaturally unblemished even on the low end.

    I wonder how much produce gets thrown away due to a single bruise or spot. I'm hoping it gets turned into drinks or purée for desserts or something instead.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago*

    Anything that grows out of the ground is expensive in Japan in general, so it's not just the strawberries. You can easily get a situation when making food at home where a simple vegetable salad is as expensive as the rest of the meal combined.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago

    Oh good, I can focus on only 15% of Japanese game devs! That's a relief!

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago

    Yes, this tracks. My wife's at a company that has both JP and US branches and the JP side seems a lot more chill with generative AI (although they learned already not to use it in production, only internal visuals and planning). It's rather unfortunate, although hard to say if they would have hired an illustrator or just gone without visuals.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Well, damn. I guess I'm gonna have to be way more critical of which Japanese developers I support. Or stop buying Japanese games altogether.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    Like every region, there's developers who love throwing up asset flips, and there's developers who make stuff out of passion.

    I remember one of the favorite comparisons of AI generated art I saw in a video on the subject is as an expensive replacement for stock footage (and in game development I guess it would be stock assets).

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    Yeah, guess I'll stop buying new Japanese releases

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

    My impression is that AI stigma generally isn't mainstream in Japan, so that makes sense. Also wow, y'all are salty.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Yup, people here love crying over AI.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    Some days it feels like it's the only thing they have to live for.

    "Stop all the downloading, you youngsters! In my day we had to punch all the punch cards by hand to write our programs and we liked it! People these days are downloading all their stolen, generated ones and zeroes from other computers instead of copying them by hand like real artisans. It's computer slop, I tells ya!"

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  • [+] -10 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    O no! Looks like most of Lemmy is going to stand on their laurels and not play a single Nintendo game ever again! Right?

    Because y'all hate AI so much.

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