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[–] 144 points 1 month ago (8 children)

I'm willing to work 4x 7 hour days. If you think about the last 30 years of computer enhancing productivity, we're owed a lot!

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  • [–] 72 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    I work like a truck, so 4x4 would be appropriate.

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  • [–] 108 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    it's kinda bringing a "0 hour work" week for a lot of people.

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  • [–] 43 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I don't care if they bring 0 work day if they pay me universal income. I could learn full stack, draw, read books, open a company, etc. Now all I do is word, excels, and a tiny bit of incident response.

    I went to college for spreadsheets.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Oh that note, looking back, Andrew Yang might have been the best choice for a nominy in 2020.

    Imagine if chatGPT came out and then the president of US, who fully understands the enshitification and rug pull model of Silicon Valley just slapped a huge VAT tax on it, or maybe forced companies to charge the real price.

    Man Biden was such a bad choice in 2020

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago

    I'll give you that on Biden but nuh uh on Yang.

    On February 17, 2022, Yang announced the launch of a Web3 community whose membership token fees would be used to fund lobbying work on behalf of Web3, blockchain, and cryptocurrency interests on Capitol Hill.[64]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Yang

    Ideologically, Forward is populist and reformist, and a representative of centrism in the United States. It considers itself to be the center within the American political spectrum, although the party has also been described as big tent or syncretic due to its unwillingness on holding any firm stances or positions,[4]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_Party_(United_States)

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    It‘s a shitty system if all you can do is hoping for the perfect president to fix everything while mega corps and billionaires are actively working to keep those guys out of office. You need a grass roots movement against billionaires, against lobbying and against presidential powers if you want a piece of that growing productivity cake.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    Andrew Yang might have been known to treat his audience to a nominy, a folk orative tradition of speeches delivered with formulaic rhyming prose, much to the other nominees’ chagrin.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    UBI without price control is useless. Rent is just going to go up by that amount and same for utilities, food, etc.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (5 children)

    That would be a profound lack of imagination on companies. Raising prices to cover costs make sense since all businesses will be affected in the same way equally, but to just do it because everyone has more money doesn't, your competitor might just undercut you by keeping their prices the same, and then get all the profit.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Lol.

    Have you seen how the real economy works? It works by creating monopolies, fixing prices, lobbying for public contracts and subsidies and moving everything into private equity.

    Do you think landowners won't leech every cent they can get away with?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago*

    Copy paste from another reply to a comment:

    Even when the progressives mention ubi it ALWAYS comes at the cost of removing all other social services like health care, low income housing, food stamps, social security. So imagine recieveing up to 5000+ dollars a month in benefits being taken away from you because the dumb majority is excited to get their 600-800 dollar a month bribe so that they can go yolo it all on ai driven polymarket.

    We need more social welfare not less. Trump already is gutting social welfare services to pump that money into ai.

    The homeless don't even get benifits now due to work requirements, and they can't get a job because they don't have a home. And RFK is talking about putting them in camps.

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  • [–] 52 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    4 day work week would be already possible if we didn't use a sizable amount of our industry production to just make useless crap. It would be 3 days, if we abolished planned obsolescence and made thing repairable.

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  • [–] 51 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    I hate how people are so used to getting ripped off that they hear “four day work week” and assume that it’s going to be 4-10’s.

    Like this is Bernie. He’s not perfect, but he gets this type of shit right. Obviously he’s advocating a 32 hour, 4-day work week. It says so in the article that apparently no one read. But people are just so inured to everything getting worse all the time. Damn.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I also think companies should start paying for commute times, and that the time paid should be adjusted based on the cost of living in the area and the salary.

    Of someone chooses to live 3 hours away when they could live in walking distance, that's one thing. But I work for a municipality in a prohibitively expensive area. 0 city employees live in the city they work and literally 100% of households are multi-millionaires or better. I have a 90-120 minute commute depending on traffic because that's where I can afford to live on my salary, but it also means I'm essentially working 3-4 hours extra a day.

    Of course the city isn't gonna pay me 50% again more money, but if they were required to pay for my commute time they'd suddenly agree that I only really need to be in the office about once a week for public meetings since mostly what I do is Teams meetings, plan review, phone calls and emails, which could be done just as easily from my home office as at City Hall.

    Shit - I get more done remote because I don't have to deal with people walking in without an appointment and demanding a meeting.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    Not to be argumentative or anything like that, just wanted to state that I used to have a job where we worked 4 tens and I loved it. Two more hours a day kinda sucked, but having a 3 day weekend every week was nice. Granted, 4 8s would be better if I still made the same money every week.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    I suspect many of us will be getting 7 day weekends whether we want it or not.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 month ago*

    To be fair, when I was in primary school, we were assured that the "digital revolution" (or whatever hype phrase was popular) would halve working hours, etc. What it didn't consider is that bosses would simply demand more productivity.

    I mean at all. It didn't cross their minds that we'd be expected to be twice as productive now that everything was twice as quick. (And so on). 🤯

    As history has shown, repeatedly, the only time a worker wins is when they unionise, protest and fight for improvements. You get nothing for free in the mediaeval, feudal system of the workplace.

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  • [–] 38 points 1 month ago* (4 children)

    "Should"

    The USA left "should" in about 1950. There is no "should" here.

    Workers were abandoned by the Democrats long ago. Union membership is now less than 10% (and most of that is government employees, ironically)... it was almost 50% back in the "good old days".

    There is no labor party in the USA, there is no anti-war party, there is no anti-billionaire party. There should be. But there's not.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Well, union busting prevents workers from banding coallitions and adding the unions. F-, blame Walmart and Amazon.

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  • where even is thr limit to "union busting" would the corporation striking against the employees by closing the sites where there were strikes for a few months be considered union busting despite being the same as ehat unions do to corps?

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  • [–] 18 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    How about a four day work week and no AI? I’m so done with this timeline.

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    [–] 16 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    We should have a 4 day work week anyway, maximum.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    4-day workweek and UBI, please.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (5 children)

    Even when the progressives mention ubi it ALWAYS comes at the cost of removing all other social services like health care, low income housing, food stamps, social security. So imagine recieveing up to 5000+ dollars a month in benefits being taken away from you because the dumb majority is excited to get their 600-800 dollar a month bribe so that they can go yolo it all on so driven polymarket.

    We need more social welfare not less. Trump already is gutting social welfare services to pump that money into ai.

    The homeless don't even get benifits now due to work requirements, and they can't get a job because they don't have a home. And RFK is talking about putting them in camps.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I don't see why UBI has to remove the rest of social services. Feels like that would fit in the "More social welfare" bin.

    I don't need Bernie to fully understand AI before he continues advocating for the people. He also has enough of a track record to trust that he does not blindly believe the AI rhetoric, which is primarily pushed by the same Corpo types he usually rails against. I'd wager he's also for adding guard rails and protections.

    Its good to keep pushing for good things, despite whatever noise is going on. Perfect being the enemy of good has sidetracked many an effort. Like conservatives have had no problem taking their little victories over the years chipping away at rights before going full out fascist. We need little victories do push back too.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago*

    It doesnt have to remove all the social welfare programs but every single time its mentioned in a discussion that's how its described to work. Not our discussions but think tanks, podcasts with politicians, news talking heads, etc.

    Also if we keep losing the welfare services we have now due to ai, what makes you think suddenly they are going to be okay with adding more. Especially one of such massive scale to promise every single human cash money.

    These people keep using the term effiecency as if welfare needs to be some profitable thing.

    As a study of what these Ai people think we should look at asha sharma who used to hold a position at the Ai division at Microsoft, who recently took over as the lead for Xbox.

    She is there to pretend they are doing compromise and working for the people, yet at the same time cannibalizing the product they are working on to further chase the all mighty ai dollar. Xbox game pass the cloud gaming service keeps hiking up prices, making ad tiers, and now adding 25 hours a month limit to how much you can stream. Xbox game pass is already doing the worst it has, and Xbox doesnt want to make game consoles anymore, meaning game pass is all they have. All that compute at the data centers is getting repurposed for Ai, leaving xbox to die on the vine. Potentially bringing down all the developers that it bought with it.

    Asha sharma was recently asked to be apart of some federal reserve task force. If you ask me that sounds like she is going to be incharge of the same exact thing. Canabilizing the system she was meant to "help" and funnel those profits to ai.

    And asha sharma is just the name that's in my head right now, this is practically everyone on goverment, or the head of a buisness. When they talk about UBI, its not because they believe in some greater good, or want their companies to get taxed more to pay for it. No its because it benifits them in some way. The system is pay to win, and people can easily be manipulated into fucking themselves over because they don't want to think two steps ahead.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    True UBI should replace those other services, because it should be a basic income that allows people to survive without a job. You shouldn't need additional health care because we should have medicare for all. You shouldn't need low income housing because your UBI should be enough to pay for a modest home. You shouldn't need food stamps because UBI should cover it.

    The fact that it's always framed as "$600 bribe!!!!!" is infuriating and absolutely wrong, because that's far from "basic." "Basic" would mean enough to live on, without requirement.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (1 child)

    Again in theory I want ubi, but as I see it, its a way to reduce benifits.

    Maybe the more I think about it I don't like it I'm not sure.

    At its core ubi adds flexibility, and the ability for people to manage their resources at their own needs. At the same time that's part of the problem. Already social security doesnt cover it, there's people in their 70's still working at Walmart and thats including disabilities, healthcare, and food stamps if they still receive all those. I think UBI is better for private corperations to step in and capture that money instead of trying to assure peoples needs are met.

    I just don't see how in the world we currently exist in how its going to work out. I feel like major structural change has to come first and we are better off with things like universal healthcare, state housing, etc.

    That way it provides state/federal jobs. Often people critize goverment workers for being lazy, slow, and decently paid. I say yeah that's the point. If we are facing job loss having a form of guaranteed employment is nice. And having some inefficiency is good, providing a work life balance and not expecting ai to 3x peoples work loads is good for society.

    Welfare shouldn't be this ai ran numbers maximizer for effiecency.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    You're saying "we shouldn't do it because the government would ruin it." I'm saying "the government shouldn't ruin it." To which you responded, "yeah but what if they do tho?"

    I know all of that, and I'm not saying that this is the easy way out. But UBI is a much more effective and stress-tested way to introduce an effective social safety net to a capitalist society when done right. So I think we should do it right.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago

    "sorry, best we can do is 2 shit jobs 7 days a week. AI took all the good ones and we're not sharing a fucking thing with you"

    • billionaire scum
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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago*

    AI CEOs: How about a 0 day workweek (because we want to fire all you plebs)

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago

    If less work needs to be done by humans, does that mean we can have Universal Basic Income, and get paid extra for the jobs that still need humans?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    Absolutely. The AI will only work 4 days a week after everyone is laid off.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    We should've had a four-day workweek decades ago. Computers have already automated so much without LLMs.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    The whole point of advancing technology is to make our lives easier. Why are we still working this hard after a century (or more) of extreme technological advancement?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    AT THE VERY LEAST! All its doing is impoverishing the majority & threatening mankind right now.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    Understatement of the fucking century

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    You all get a four day work week!

    Did I mention there are no more jobs?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    "Should," yes.

    "Will," not in Christian America, sunny Jim.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    Oh, a 4 day work week will come, with 4 hours of work per day (after an hour commute), to avoid paying you benefits. You'll need 2 or three of those jobs to pay rent along with your roommates.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago

    Bless uncle Bernie, but the US is in no state to even consider this. It has installed capitalism as its king.

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