Currently using IVPN, but considering switching and I want to see what this subreddit community thinks.

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[–] 25 points 1 month ago (3 children)

AirVPN with privacy focus and port forwarding

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    AirVPN. I switched from proton a while ago because it was a pain to do port forwarding. AirVPN lets me have multiple ports forwarding with ease. And they take xmr as payment!

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    What was a part of it was a pain, exactly? I use port forwarding and have no issues.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    There wasn't a clear/easy way to do it on a headless server. Maybe they've improved the service since

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Don't know how you do it but I just downloaded the config file from Proton and deploy stacks of the app I want to use port forwarding on + gluetun (which uses the conf file I mentioned). I don't really see why a server being headless would complicate the process.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I switched from Mullvad to IVPN after the Mullvad troubles. IVPN seems good to so far, does everything I need and hasn't been proven untrustworthy/politically dodgy yet.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (12 children)

    Wondering why you are considering leaving ivpn?

    They appear to be 1 of only 2 trustworthy vpns now that mullvad left the building

    airvpn being the other

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    if the political orientation of the cofounder is important (and I personally believe that it can be) than equally, if not more, important is the jurisdiction of the services. I'd avoid both UK and Switzerland for a VPN.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (3 children)

    If I may ask, why avoid Switzerland? Is there some shady stuff they've been doing recently?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    no, I just think the misconception that Switzerland is some kind of privacy paradise is very common and any possible malicious entity, from corporations to governments, can too easily take advantage of this.

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  • [+] 37 points 1 month ago (5 children)
  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    So now proton is ok and Mullvad is bad? I thought proton was ostracized for the same reasons?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Disclaimer: Don't take my response; this post, or other replies seriously.

    Everyone has their own feelings. The truth is we probably don't code, understand, and can actually look at the technologies behind vpns. We are just users. That's not a bad thing at all (but) here's the truth.

    Our opinions on privacy tools has changed. First proton was weird and mullvad good, now its mullvad is bad and proton is good. That's not consistent and we just have to be honest because there's many people with different beliefs and experiences privacy recommendations will never be consistent.

    Let's actually crack open both controversies. Protons was a company the other an individual. The result to the public the same now each company can't be trusted. Vpns are a trust me bro industry and if you can't trust them for whatever reason then just do not use those vpns.

    The answer is simple hard to swallow and honestly straight forward. Stop using commercial VPN providers and start using proxies or tor. Vpns and their tunnels where originally developed for private server access not a general tool for app and internet browsing. They're pretty good since the tunnel itself can be hidden or obscured. However the end result is a trust within a company.

    So stop trusting people and opinions even mine.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    I just today started using the new Tor VPN app. I have been using InviZible from F-Droid in SOCKS proxy mode for almost 2 years now, but not all apps support directing their network traffic through a SOX proxy. And so, some apps I was not able to do over Tor. I think the day will come where we as free people have to abandon the clear net entirely and do everything over Tor and I2P. The clearnet is going to become nothing except for ID upload verification screens.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    Mullvad for stuff that matters. Which is 24/7 on all devices.

    Airvpn for piracy and only for piracy.

    Ivpn, windscribe, proton or whoever else isn’t obviously an idf cutout and running a deal for scraping and bypassing geoblocks.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    Proton currently but probably switching to Windscribe soon due to increasingly invasive advertising.

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  • [+] 5 points 1 month ago (5 children)
  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    As in, I have a proton unlimited subscription and keep getting in-app advertisements for proton Duo as if I'm a free user or something?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Yes, they are ads about the ongoing deals and promos. It seems like you get those ads once a season or so. These aren't the intrusive personalized ads like from Google, mind you. They are "local" product ads to increase sales and support for Proton products. They can be annoying, but also they're not permanent.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    If I’m at home:

    Device > WireGuard Tunnel > ProtonVPN Endpoint

    If I’m disconnected from my home network:

    Device > WireGuard Tunnel > Home Network > WireGuard Tunnel > ProtonVPN Endpoint

    Essentially created my own multi-hop network, works like a charm.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    Nice, was thinking about doing this as well. Do you switch manually between apps on your device? Or do you use a wireguard app with multiple profiles?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    Any reason you are looking to leave ivpn? I'm using Mullvad until my time runs out and then switching due to the fascism thing. I was looking at ivpn as one of a few possible options, so I'm curious of people's experiences.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (7 children)

    IVPN is smaller than mullvad so mullvad has more support in the form of more 3rd party packages. With the fascism thing I feel like just because the owner is problematic doesn't mean we shouldn't use the service, otherwise by far the majority of large and medium sized services would be unusable.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

    Problem is that I now know for sure that by giving him money, that money is going to organizations that promote fascism. So, while I can't control where people spend their money, incan control how much of my money goes into their bank accounts. Same reason I would refuse to pay for anything Harry Potter. I know the money I would spend will go to royalties that JK Rowling will then give to organizations that spread misinformation about trans people or outright tell people that attacking women who even look too masculine, like Imane Khelif, is not only OK, but virtuous.

    But since I already gave them my money, I'm not going to abandon what I paid for. In fact, if I did that, I'd be effectively giving them more money as they'd have less traffic to route that was already paid for.

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    I am only giving them ~$5 a month, and I know every dollar counts, but a few 100k donations won't cause the rise of fascism, it will be poor societal conditions and charismatic leaders telling the populace that those issues are caused by minorities.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Yeah, but if everyone says that then it adds up. Just like when so many people don't vote because their singular vote doesn't really count, but when a lot of people say that, it adds up. And it's not like there aren't alternatives that likely don't fund fascism, so why use one that I know for sure does, even if indirectly. I can't punish him, but I can take my few cents a month away from fascism and spend it on a more reputable company that doesn't keep around a known fascist.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 month ago* (1 child)

    I am not voting for that party after all, and choosing the best software for privacy is worth giving a few dollars to a fascist IMO. Yes, I checked that parties policies, and I disagree with (nearly) all their social policies (Racism AND Secularism!? Gross!), so don't accuse me of sympathizing with them.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago*

    If you don't see the value in defending fascism, especially in an age where elections are often won by the party with the most money since they can control the media coverage, then I can't help you. I can't teach you to empathize with the people who they will murder if in power. I'm one of them, but guessing you're not.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    I think it is better to give money because you don't care or support it than trying to invent some loop holes to try to convince yourself it is fine even if your ideology is against it.

    Its the more respectable approach, since the other feels like denial and lying to oneself.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    I still use PIA, but only for a couple of things running in containers. I use wireguard as my private vpn for my own services

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Do you have any thoughts on the Kape buyout? https://usernotices.com/finance-and-business/advertising/who-is-the-new-owner-of-pia

    Because of who Kape is, and their ties to Israeli military, I personally consider them a threat actor instead of a valid VPN choice for my needs.

    https://blog.boycat.io/posts/expressvpn-israeli-ownership-1b-privacy-risk

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    My plan is to jump ship when my plan expires in a couple of months. I only have indexers going though it these days as 99% of my "data sourcing" is done via Usenet over SSL and the VPN isn't technically required in that case.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago

    Proton, because its fast and reliable in my experience so i never felt the need to switch, plus i agree with their policies.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    Kinda surprised no one recommending Nym.

    https://nym.com/

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Never actually used them, but this is my note about them in my vpn spreadsheet

    'Pricey if doing per month, not if doing for year. Lack of transparency, shit website. Dodgy feel.'

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    You can add “mixnet often not the right choice and available for free through tor if needed.”

    Even compared to companies owned by former idf cybersec unit members nym feels the most like a honeypot. Historically speaking that means it’s probably a bunch of true believers being manipulated by a handler working fifteen minutes a day on them.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (3 children)

    Yet an other swiss based facsist company with a touch of crypto bro. No thanks.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    Source? Last I knew the founder is anti-fascist and regularly speaks out against things like tech oligarchy. Nothing of what I've heard him say or talk about has given me any feeling otherwise.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (1 child)

    Crypto Bro -> https://cointelegraph.com/opinion/web3-has-a-metadata-problem , https://bitcoinmagazine.com/technical/why-mixnets-are-needed-to-make-bitcoin-private

    Also they love using LLM trained on our works (devs) : https://nym.com/blog/bug-bounty-ai-age

    About the fascism I understand that few people here (proportionally) seems to not be educated on the topic (I see to many pedolandians or canadians in here maybe) : fascism is not being a bad guys wanting to control everyone, lots of monarchs were that way, this is not fascism. Fascism is the bourgeoisie (the social class owning the properties, even more so the means of productions) taking power over society, the more power they grab the deeper you're in fascism. That's why many western people do not understand they live in fascist societies while they can agree that money is the real power, not the decrepit old white man put in front (thus they don't understand fascism, and I think this is on purpose, from schools to media).

    So a senior research scientist at MIT (CEO) and a founder of Swiss crypto brokerage and financial services firm (COO) decided to create a company in... wait for it... Switzerland! Famous country know for it fight against the aggression of the bourgeoisie for the last century and its strong stance against today's genocides. Definitely not known for being the Nazi's gold vault and all sorts of awful money laundering. If you understand that fascism come from the people who owns the money what do you think about private banks? Swiss is fascists' paradise and it always have been.

    I can close my eyes on Swedish people establishing in Sweden, or anyone in his European country, even if the actual government is far-right there or not. But this is not really the case here, it's more like the Y-combinator guys establishing in Delaware or... Cayman Islands! This is 101 people only seeking money at the expense of everyone else. Hence my point of view this is already quiet deep in fascism, even if there are smart enough not to open their mouth about Palestine and keeping themselves into crypto-broing and "privacy" (I could totally see them loving anarcho-capitalism).

    Also bonus : what social media do they choose? OH NO! Linkedin and Twitter, I wouldn't have guessed. If you want maximum cringe check the avatar -> https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexis-roussel-01993143/

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Well, currently using mullvad because I paid cash and have months left.

    However I tried ivpn with their one week option (two bucks!) At their basic plan.

    I find speeds better on mullvad, but they're otherwise comparable. I like both apps fine on android. If I was already on ivpn, I would not switch to mullvad for the minor speed uptick, since prices are comparable and switching multiple devices can be a very tiny annoyance.

    In the past, I've used airvpn and proton for extended times (over six months). Proton is over priced, speeds were only marginally better than their free options, and iirc they were a pain about linux setup (I could be mixing them up with someone else though).

    Airvpn worked great as a vpn. Port forwarding was an absolute cunt to get working for me. I suspect user error to be the biggest factor. Their android app sucks, and setting it up via other methods is preferred. But, at the time, they also lacked the built in ad/tracker blocking that I've enjoyed with mullvad and ivpn.

    I did use nord briefly at one point. Worked fine, but at the time I was in need of port forwarding, and they had stopped offering that.

    The only reason I'm maybe switching away from mullvad is the dubious political alignment of one of its owners. It really does work well for me, and is consistently faster than others I've tried, even with multi hop on. Even there, I'm not fully sure that the exact choice made by their part owner is exactly as bad as the common reaction is, so while I am likely switching away, I still can't really state that it's horrible to use the service.

    The party he donated to has one big issue that's a hell no for me, but it might not be there for everyone, and other aspects of the party slate are less objectionable, or even agreeable. In other words, I'm not mad at anyone that shrugs the donation off. It ain't my business to judge people over such a narrow subject.

    THAT being said, ivpn really is essentially the same service in terms of functionality. They even have servers that are in the same data centers. There's several in the US in specific that are 100% in the same center once you go looking at the lists of exits. And I know there can't be that many exact matches in cities across the world that aren't from the same location. Since VPNs rent either virtual or hardware space in data centers to provide exits, if a given company doesn't break from that, you won't see a major difference between them.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    I'm surprised that you had trouble port forwarding on airvpn. My understanding is mullvad doesn't allow port forwarding, and Proton allows it but it's extremely finicky and you have to constantly poll for it with some script (or maybe if you use their official client then you don't need that, but I didn't). Port forwarding was, why I went with airvpn.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    Currently, Mullvad. Waiting for my time to run out then I might give NymVPN a go.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    None for the time being, and I don't know what I should use if I were to need one. I already use Proton for email so it wouldn't be my first choice to give even more data to one company, even if they still seem good (though their marketing is relatively aggressive, which feels offputting).

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Mullvad is what I point people at when they say what you just did.

    It’s simple to use, straightforward in pricing and you can’t screw up signing up in a way that surfaces more of your personal information than is necessary. The apps are also actually good if you need to use them which shouldn’t be as big of a deal as it is but speaking from many years of experience with different VPNs, it is.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    Windscribe. I like their no-nonsense approach.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    Njalla. I switched to that after Mullvad was called out. I asked a refund which they got me. I compared some VPNs and no other seemed to fit. I miss some Mullvad stuff but at least they aren't fascists.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    Mullvad, then switched to IVPN a couple of months ago. Both are recommended in privacyguides. They have solid privacy policies and are regularly audited.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    Nym VPN because it seemed like the best but I'm sure someone will tell me there's something wrong with it 😂

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    I bought several years of Mullvad time before finding out it's ran by a fascist. I use it exclusively for pirate related activities.

    (I push several TB through it daily, so at least I'm costing Mullvad much bandwidth)

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Private Internet access, they have port forwarding

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    YSK Private Internet Access was acquired by a sketchy Israeli spy company

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    Going to get buycott, they seem pretty good

    I'm sure someone will tell me how they're terrible though

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    I don't. I would just be shifting trust from my ISP to some VPN provider for worse ping. I trust only I2P and Tor networks, so either it's sensitive enough to go over darknet or I treat it as public.

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