Turns out the president is above the law, and can only be impeached, given the rare condition that the opposition party has a supermajority in Congress, of course!
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They won't even let you stand outside a polling place and hand out water bottles to people waiting in line.
It's still illegal; it's just that nobody will enforce the law against the orange bastard. The motherfucker was literally convicted of 34 felonies and hasn't paid any fines or faced a minute of jail time, FFS.
He had a whole goddamn sentencing hearing where they sentenced him to nothing. Explicitly.
Was it illegal for Bernie Sanders to campaign on free medical and college?
Rather than tilt and rave let's approach this from another angle: Trump promised funds from DOGE and balanced budgets on multiple occasions and you're never going to see any of it. He is a liar.
Was it illegal for Bernie Sanders to campaign on free medical and college?
No because that would have been done through normal policy change and actually a thing an elected official should try and do. What Trump is doing (even if it is a lie) is bribery. It's not even remotely the same, and it speaks volumes of your character that you would even try and equate them.
Trump's and Bernie's plans would both require congress because the president literally has no access to funds without it.
I worry about people spreading these lies because it is in fact a great policy stance.
Your suposition is that the power of the purse still applies here. Trump has operated the executive as a collective slush fund, many times using horrible arguments that fail in court and then proceeding anyways. Also he's allocated money from military coup projects like Venezuala to funds not under congressional control illegally.
Bernies plan is to first expand Medicare to all ages. Going off Trump's logic this would be done by directing CMS by executive order to adjust the rates, the treasury department to allocate the necessary trust fund expenditures, the IRS to apply the necessary taxes, and the justice department to aggressively target every single possible violation in the private health insurance industry. Bernie's actual plan is to use the bully pulpit as intended to pressure congress to act in accordance with those changes ahead of time, completely different. That's because Trump moves to erode government into the pockets of the rich and Bernie seeks to build it stronger to benefit everyone. Executive overreach expansion has only been applied to benefit the rich effectively where everywhere else it had failed.
If it's a great policy stance, they should do it now when they know they have control of both legislatures. Why wait?
So you think promising money he'll never give out is a "great policy stance"? Huh???
giving out money is a great policy
voting for Trump or believing anything he says is idiocy
Right, so what they're doing is not a great policy stance, contrary to what you said earlier.
Bernie didn't have the power to deliver on his promises without winning the election, Trump already won and has control of all three branches. It's objectively massively different to Bernie, or any other office-seeking politician, running on a platform of what they would try to do once elected. It's the difference between, "Here's what I'll try to accomplish if I win," and "Here's something I could do now but I won't, I'll only do it later and only if you vote how I say." I'd argue it's closer to extortion than a bribe, but no matter what you call it, it's a terrible, evil policy stance.
Look, if Trump campaigned tomorrow that he would uncap the house and end exceptions to the antislavery ammendment, I'd call all of you motherfuckers as you are for repeating his lies.
rofl imagine being the fucking clown pretending free medicsl and college would be a bad thing.
Again: Fucking. Clown.
Americans refuse to apply the law to trump for some reason
Edit: Y'all acting like he's been POTUS his whole life. Dude is a career conman-rapist-fraudster
Conservatism is entirely about the laws applying differently to different people. The king is special. The nobles are a little less special. The peasants are trash. The slaves are worse. That's the conservative world. Hierarchy. So of course they don't want to apply rules to their chief.
They are worse than children.
How do you expect that to happen when the fascists own and operate all three branches of government and are hands on with DoJ?
Americans have no choice in the matter, if we're talking about legal channels.
For real. Like yeah, lemme just waltz my ass on over there and issue a citizens arrest. That will go over splendidly.
All the idiots who say this shit think they would be the one to kill Hitler if they were born in Nazi Germany. There's a reason it took a foreign military invading to push him to do it himself.
I've even heard dipshits say "Well America had a Civil War in the past" as if that war was declared by the people and not their governments and fought by their militaries.
there's a major error in that the president, according to legal experts, can't be arrested by anyone but congress and the house, which makes no sense. he should simply be president from a prison at this point.
No. It's just moronic to argue that this is or should be illegal. For fuck's sake, people in this thread are arguing it should be illegal for politicians for run for office promising to establish new government programs or give people money. They're letting their campist impulses cloud their judgment.
it's very different to say ''I'll extend medicade to all'' vs ''if I win this election I'll cut you a literal check'' there are different meanings here.
That's not what he's promising though. He's promising to have a stimulus check passed through Congress. He's not promising to personally write checks out of his own bank account.
This isn't that complicated. The federal government has provided direct cash benefits across a myriad of times and circumstances. (Temporary assistance to needy families, farm subsidies, stimulus checks in several administrations, social security payments, etc.) These are all perfectly legal. And it's perfectly legal to run for office promising to enact or expand such programs.
Plenty of what Trump does is illegal. This isn't one of those time. It's perfectly legal to run for office or campaign for your party saying, "I think people need money. If our side wins, we'll give everyone a check." Whether it's good policy or not is another question. But the legality of it isn't even debatable.
This is what tips me over the edge, all in on maga now. I’m surely gonna collect the 5k from the dude famous for stiffing contractors and bankrupting casinos
That's the secret to Conservative power in America.
Step 1: Make everything illegal
Step 2: Accept bribes to overlook crimes of allies
Step 3: Punish the shit out of your opponents.
Congrats! America is now Russia, with better food and shittier fascists.
It's very different. One is "I will give YOU money if you vote for me" and the other is "I will give EVERYONE money if I win". The main difference is that one is not discriminating against who people voted for. The first is buying votes, the second is a campaign similar to "I will retroactively lower taxes for this year if I win", which I don't think anyone would see as problematic but it's exactly the same outcome as the one you're finding problem with, i.e. give people money.
It's a stupid campaign because anyone with half a brain understand that he's not going to do it and that that money would have to come from someplace else, but it's still a campaign promise similar to any other promise politicians make to ask you to vote for them.
Everything is legal when everyone let you write the rules.
It's also legal to give someone money after the fact for a job well done, and it's definitely not a bribe.
From June 26 2024:
The Supreme Court on Wednesday ruled that a federal anti-bribery law does not make it a crime for state and local officials to accept a gratuity for acts that they have already taken.
He will not give the money. He makes a promise. He breaks the promise. Please people - don't be stupid. Do not believe this idiot.
Step 1: Have money.
Step 2: Rape children (and adults).
Step 3: Put an "R" next to your name.
Congrats, you are now immune from consequences.
Well he did make it so tha tnothing he does in office is illegal, even if it’s illegal.
It's hilarious that everyone here is assuming he's not just straight up lying about giving that money to everyone and not just the people who vote Republican.
They are very interested in state voter information.
Nobody is getting any money
It is hilarious that every MAGA idiot and apparently you think that he is going to pay anyone that money. He has made similar promises before, breaking his promise time after time.
No, it's not legal, but at this point there are no federal officials left who are willing to enforce the law when Republicans break it.
Two centuries ago, a somewhat obscure Scotsman named Tytler made this profound observation: ‘A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy.’
Also if you have sex with a minor is illegal but if you are the President then it's OK.
There is a difference between "I will pay you to vote for me" and "I will pay you if I win." The first is certainly illegal, the second should be. In some ways, the second statement reminds me of the phrase, "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?" Sure, no direct order was given, but the priest still died.
I don't expect to see any response to this statement from law enforcement, just like there wasn't when Musk actually paid people to vote for the conservative judge.
the funny thing about the priest quote is that the king DIDN'T want him killed and him being killing was a nightmare for the King and everyone knew he had him killed.
Also funny that their king wasn't above the law... kinda sorta, but still actually had to answer for it to someone.
he was totally above the law, it was just a huge black eye and it made the annoyance of the priest turn into the actual Pope being mad at him and he had to publicly repent, but it appears no one blamed him for the murder but did blame him for expressing the wish to be rid of the priest. although the knights who killed him didn't seem to intent to kill him, but tried to arrest him and he resisted to the point they killed him which isn't better, but it's different than an out right order to execute a known public figure. this was Henry II btw
(I'll note that even states refused to pursue Musk. It appears that you can claim to do something illegal for a few hours on the internet, reap the media rewards, and then edit the post. Political activists, do take note.)
They are two very different things.
In one case you're handing people real money on the street for their vote.
In the other your making a "campaign promise" that everyone knows isn't actually real.
Question from far away: do even the basic, illiterate, red-capped MAGAts not believe it? Or is the fanbase waiting for its manna?
Believe it's true literally?
No
It's a concept known as Kayfabe. A special kind of pretending, where both performer and audience act as if something is real, when both know it isn't. It started with American professional wrestling. Wrestlers would do interviews, even greet fans after the show and sign autographs as their characters, not as themselves.
So no, even his MAGA supporters don't literally believe he'll give them $5k. They just accept is as a promise that he and the Republicans will do good things for them generally. They like the sound of it, even though they know it's not "real".
I think they know Trump is full of shit, they just don't care so long as he's 'hurting the right people'.
They'd let Trump shit in their mouth if it meant a 'librul' would have to smell it.
Yeah. Well. Thanks. It's so absurd my mind reels thinking about it.
my mind reels thinking about it.
You might have seen people say "the cruelty is the point" when talking about republicans / right wingers. This is what they're addressing. So many of the actions taken by that side of the aisle are so jaw-droppingly stupid or hypocritical or self-defeating, that trying to make sense of it just leaves anyone capable of critical thinking stuck in a "wtf" loop.
But, the cruelty is the point. You might wonder why they care so much about bathroom security: they don't. They just want to hurt trans people. You might wonder why they care so much about abortion: they don't. They just want to hurt women. You might wonder why they care so much about border security: they don't, they just want to hurt brown people. ...etc.
Any of those you can approach logically and try to explain the reality of how each action they take doesn't accomplish their stated goal... requiring trans men to use their birth gender's restroom will increase the number of men in womens' restrooms; abortion isn't actually against their religion (it's mentioned twice in scripture - once as an accidental result of an assault on a pregnant women, for which the assailant owed her a fine; and once as a fucking how-to guide... the bible does not give a fuck about abortion); how the majority of immigrants aren't here to break a bunch of laws, but just want to work and are indeed critically important to our economy. The red team shoots itself in the foot constantly, which leaves you wondering why the fuck they would do that: it's the cruelty. They don't care about the foot they're shooting, they care about the out-group on the other side of that foot. If they need to harm themselves in order to harm someone else even more, they will.
Start looking at their words and actions through this lens, and suddenly they're a lot less baffling. They make sense, and are predictable... in the worst possible way.
It's not a campaign promise. He's already elected!
There will never be a payout of 5 k ,from taco, all lies
In many countries it is legal to promise a tax rebate when you are in office. Many cons (oops, I mean conservatives) use this as voting bait for people with no critical thinking skills, and then turn around and give their corporate masters and billionaires huge tax cuts that make those same voters loose critical services that makw them pay out of pocket.
In other words, "Heres $200 to vote for me so i can make your life way more expensive on a yearly basis through medical care, less regulation, less infrastructure repair".
This is the same grift, but more blatant and obviously something that would never get fulfilled, which is why the number is so big. Bigger numbers make critical thinking fail harder, especially when times are economically tough. It tends to get cons reelected even when they are not doing well in polls, speaking from the Canadian experience in this.
Laws are as good as they are enforced. Look at speeding in a car. If you don't get caught, if everyone else is doing it and the few cops around aren't bothering to pull anyone over, it's still illegal. Yet it doesn't matter.
Or more comparable, someone of high importance is caught speeding, but when the cop sees who it is they let them go with a "warning", i.e. do nothing. Still illegal, but okay for them to do apparently.
This isn't an enforcement problem. What Trump is doing isn't illegal and it shouldn't be illegal. There's nothing wrong with running for office promising to pass legislation establishing a government program if your side wins. You're arguing for a standard that would have made it impossible to create Medicare, Social Security, or any other government program. Those all started as promises of, "if my side wins, we'll pass a law giving people money."
I see your point. If he was arguing for a law or program. Saying everyone get a check without anything more isn't the same. For one, it isn't going to happen because it would need legislation, which means a bill and a plan to fund it. And it's Trump, so it's not going to happen because he just says things.
Now if he said he's going to propose and make Congress pass a law that gives every adult $1000 each month that is funded through tax increases on higher brackets... suddenly he's pushing for UBI, and that's a great idea. (or the start of one, I think it needs to be more complex than that for cost of living variations)
Reading news requires some reasonable extrapolation and reading between the lines. When a president says, "I'll give everyone $5000," you would have to be pretty dense to not realize that they're just using that as a shorthand for, "I'll use all my power and influence to help pass a law through Congress to give everyone $5000 stimulus checks, or I'll find a way to direct existing appropriations for it." If Trump just says, "I'll give everyone $5,000," what reasonable conclusion can you possibly reach other than it's him proposing an act of Congress? He's certainly not going to pay for it out of his pocket.
They don't say that entire thing because that would be insane. Real people don't talk that way; you can summarize and speak in shorthand. You don't need to spell everything out in excruciating detail.
Presidents always run for office promising this or that. They rarely take the time to spell out the entire legislative process.
For example, consider this article from 2008 and the following Obama quote:
"I am absolutely determined that by the end of the first term of the next president, we should have universal health care in this country," Obama told a conference of Families USA, a health care advocacy group.
By your logic, this was a felony. He wants to establish universal healthcare, a benefit to every American. And he just said he would like to do it. He made no mention of specific laws. So by your logic, this was a bribe.
Yes it is illegal for you to do that, as it would be for Trump. But no, Trumps proposed 5k checks to all adult citizens, as I understand it, is legal. I'm pretty disappointed in the other answers. A few relevant points.
- Remember the model for sending checks to folks: CARES. Both Biden and Trump have previously done this.
- Congress can legally amend and pass laws. Note that the law that makes bribing for votes illegal is not in the constitution, so it requires only the usual legal action to amend it.
- I note that the policy Trump proposed isn't discriminatory on who you vote for; your hypothetical does. (I suspect this is irrelevant for the legality, but certainly helps the optics.)
I hate the orange turd but your comparison is not 100% right. He'd gift 5000$ to everyone, not just who voted for him. I think that's still illegal tho
It's not illegal. He gave out those COVID dividend checks and it was the most popular thing he's ever done. It's just a gross incentive for votes. The government needs that money for governance activities. It's like ripping the bathtub out of someone's house and gifting it to them "for free!"
I mean it's probably not typically allowed under any normal laws and regulations, but they can always find a loop hole to do something like that in a legalish manner (like under a state of emergency, or with an executive order SCOTUS upholds, or hijacking a program meant for something else).
I hate the orange turd and your observation is about 100% wrong. He will not pay anyone. He will keep the money himself.
I didn't mean he'd give a dime to anybody given the fact that he's a pathological liar but he didn't say "I will give 5000$ to those who vote for me" but "I will give 5000$ to everyone". And since I'm not a lawyer I don't know if that's illegal to say, as opposed to give "gifts" to only those who vote for a certain party
I mean, There's also the more direct approach if one wants to give out bribes in return for votes.. Remember this? Tell me more about how amazing and just the Western Democracy is.

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