Nationalist Chrstians
Nat-C’s, if you will
Nationalist Chrstians
Nat-C’s, if you will
American Christians are insane. All the churches where I live (Sweden) are pro immigration and were a huge help during the 2015 immigration crisis. They point to the parable of the good Samaritan where Jesus meets a Samaritan who is not just a foreigner, he believes in a blasphemous religion to boot. But nevertheless Jesus helps him. If Jesus helped a foreigner of a rivalling religion then why shouldn't the modern day church help muslim syrians.
You might be crossing some stories there's the Samaritan woman at the well, which Jesus has a conversation with a Samaritan woman and asks for help getting water from Jacob's Well. There's also the parable of the Good Samaritan, a story jesus created about a Samaritan who stops and helps the person on the road beaten by robbers after 2 jewish people, a priest and a levite, pass the beaten man by, citing ritual cleanliness or thinking the guy is bait for more robbers.
Still your point stands about both being about treating everyone kindly regardless of nation or religion.
Thank you. I certainly mixed it up a bit. It was around 9-10 years ago that I read the bible for fun.
On a scale of your choosing, what level of fun did your project achieve?
7 out of 10 dugong skins.
I initially started reading it because it's the most read book in the world and I found it fascinating how old it is. Take into account I was 16-17 and atheist since birth so no religious baggage at all. Some parts were very boring like the one-two pages where it lists the name of every single worker who rebuilt the temple, or the genealogy of Jesus from Adam to himself. But most stories in there were actually quite good and a few made me emotional. I think the book is completely fine if you're simply interested in reading some 2000-3000 year old stories. At the same time you learn to understand western society more as a lot of western morality, even secular morality, is based on things in the bible. A worthwhile read. Can't say the moral of every story is any good though. Like I still think it's insane how god just told the Israelites that they can genocide the whole promised land of the people already living there. It really reminds you of something else happening today... But if you read the bible as stories and not as morals then it's totally fine!
A couple years later I tried reading the Quran but I sadly have to put that at 2/10 dugong skins. The chapters are out of order and Mohammeds personal war conquests and ramblings take up far too much of it and the classic old testament stories are all shortened down and changed. Can't recommend that one too much, but reading another person's summary of it can be enjoyable. Apparently the Quran is written in beautiful Arabic poetry but that's all lost in translation.
A woman talking to a woman about a well? The Bible passes the bechdel test?
In Jesus's parable it's the Good Samaritan who helps out the Jewish man who's been beaten and robbed and left for dead, after two supposedly-pious Jews walk on by. So where they weren't even willing to help their "neighbor," the Samaritan helps his "enemy."
I suppose a nitpicking Evangelical could claim it only means they should have helped the person of their own religion, and that particular Samaritan was "one of the good ones" like the few people who are useful to you and semi-exempt from your general racism. They'd be wrong, of course.
The Catholic Church and several of the mainline Christian denominations (Episcopal, UCC, Presbyterian, plus Unitarian which isn't 100% Christian) have been helpful to immigrants, including undocumented people, in these trying times. Not to say they don't have their own problems, in history and the present.
and that particular Samaritan was "one of the good ones"
Samaritans were still Israelites (tribes of Ephriam and Manasseh, iirc,) and still part of the Mosaic covenant.
The beef with the Jews at the time comes from having been split off long enough to start developing their own tradition. Like which books are canonical and aren’t and which mountain was special (Mt Gerizim not the one at the Temple Mount,) and which temple (theirs,) was “special”.
The beef is kinda like the beef England and France had against each other. By the end of it, they were basically the same culture and that’s really why they hated each other.
My daughter will learn the most scary fucker out there is a White Christian Conservative.
then why shouldn't the modern day church help muslim syrians.
A lot of Syrian immigrants in the US are christian...
The average american isn't aware that arabic-speaking christian cultures have existed for well over a thousand years...
The average American knows nothing about the middle east beyond Israel and what little they know of the bible. Trying to explain to them that every country in the region has an ancient and generally at least somewhat protected Christian population is gonna be really difficult.
The average American knows nothing about anything past their town boundary, though they claim much more.
The average American Christian believes that countries and religion exist in a 1:1 relationship and that our own founding fathers would decry our wicked acceptance of non Christian beliefs.
Churches aren't generally like that here in Australia. Although that is a generalisation.
I could really get behind a community group that practiced Jesus more socialist teachings, even though I'm not into the spiritual aspects.
Churches here do support local communities but it's usually very targeted: we might give you some frozen meals provided that you play along with the spritual & religious stuff.
Christians in the US used to be this way. All the way through the first half of the 20th century the majority of protestants in the US were Socialist or Socialist adjacent as you describe. It was only through the state co-opting their movement and the radicals within it merging with the "America First" crowd around WWII that we got the current Christan nationalist movement..
Except that’s a lie. You know that the southern Baptist convention split off in 1845 in order to keep owning slaves, right?
They even used the Bible (and yes, the New Testament at that,) to support their position.
Going back further European colonialism (and the enslavement of indigenous peoples,) was supported by the church, and in fact commanded.
Even further than that, when Jesus claimed to be messiah and talked about the coming conflict, he was talking about a physical, military campaign in which everyone would be forcibly converted to Judaism.
Samaritans were still isreallites, though. Just not “Jews”- different tribe. And there were some tensions there- but the law requiring hospitality and kindness to each other still applied.
Jesus was perfectly okay with enslaving non-Israelites, however. And also stonning unruly children.
Is it really a surprise to find that christians sometimes turn into assholes?
A lot of the southern evangelicals here lean into the asshole side than they do the “we should be nice” side.
Interestingly they never ask for the kid’s immigration status before raping them.
Well because that is taking something from someone they hate. Its the giving they have a problem with.
When you're MAGA, or white Christian nationalist, or part of any exclusive cult, really, then everyone on the outside is an NPC.
Seriously. Dialog among MAGAs and Christian nationalists is dipping into discussions of genocide and evacuations rather than deportation. Liberals are very much on the list.
They've driven off the #IVotedForThis cliff and are now plummeting into the abyss.
A few months ago they were talking about "committing the sin of empathy". Nothing will surprise me after that.
What's wrong, it's exactly what the book says:
11 And Jesus said unto them, "Verily, blessed are the rich, for they have earned their righteousness, but away with the poor, for they are a burden upon the realm. And if a stranger cometh from across the border, seek not to break bread with him, but demand first his papers and cast him out into the wilderness. For I say unto thee: Worship Mammon above all else, for Compassion yieldeth no return on investment."
I can't wait for supply side Jesus to stop being relevant, but I'm fearful that I'm going to be left waiting anyway.
we gotta get chatGPT to re-write the entire bible like this. Call it the King Trump edition.
Let's add some passages about mutilating your own genitails then.
Especially after the Fox News "40 Days and 40 Nights of Bible Release Coverage!"
There are, in fact, online efforts to revise the bible to reflect post-Fifield conservative values. I'll leave it to the reader to find them by websearch.
The lolcat bible is now defunct, but the Wikipedia page has a link to the wayback machine copy.
Even the old testament has plenty in this. For example:
Exodus 22:21. “Do not mistreat or oppress a foreigner, for you were foreigners in Egypt."
My point being they don't even know what the book they claim to praise so much even says.
To the rest of us, this tells us that xenophobia and animosity against immigrants have been social problems for a very long time.
They are more concerned if they will become pariahs in their own group. They aren't really asking what the right thing to do is, they are asking "will this get me in trouble?"
Tribalism seems to be an inate part of human character.
Not to say it's a good thing, just that we all have a tendency at a level which is not rational to find comfort and safety in the similar and familiar whilst distrusting and be uncomfortable with the dissimilar and unfamiliar.
You see this shit at all levels of human groups, not just "nations" and "races" but even "small town hostility towards strangers".
IMHO, NOT being a Racist (genuinelly so, not the performative shit of some people who think they're not Racist because, say, they support specific races which are a minority where they live because in their social circle that's what you're supposed to do and yet at the same time implicitly distrust people from other specific races for which there is no social approval - for example, "supporting Jews" whilst thinking that "Muslims are violent") is actually an active thing were one has to spot one's own internal tendency to make prejudicial assumptions based on people's appearance (both positive and negative assumptions - people's race neither makes them inherently better nor inherently worse) and stop oneself from making such assumptions or at least from acting on them.
That doesn't count because I've never been to Egypt
Are you calling whoever they were a liar?
I'm curious what the replies to him were.
The scribe quoted "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind" and then, "Love your neighbor as yourself."
"You have answered correctly" Jesus replied. "Do this and you will live."
The scribe then asked "And who is my neighbor?"
Jesus replied "It is whoever you are hoping I don't say it is."
with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind
That's the problem right there.
Thats an interesting not-quite-straw-man .
Pointing out that someone isn't following the teachings they are claiming to follow doesn't require the accuser to be an adherent to those teachings.
I could call a self professed vegan a hypocrite if I saw them eating a steak, regardless of whether or not, I myself were a vegan.
Tu quoque fallacy.
"You said drinking is bad for people but I saw you drinking the other day"
Tu quoque fallacy
huh, i didn't know there was a formalised name for this, TIL
"therefore drinking is not bad for people" -> tu quoque fallacy "therefore you are a hypocritical asshole" -> not fallacious
If you're struggling with the distinction between pointing out hypocrisy and a claim of moral superiority then you're going to spend a lot of time being confused and/or upset.
Has anyone told you that you're stupid recently?
Just in case they haven't, I'm going to take this opportunity, right now, to tell you that you're stupid
100% Seconded. It's....odd to have to chime in on something like this but I really agree. Exhibitional stupidity, paraded proudly, like a peacock whose feathers were ill-informed words. Sadly, the internet is referred to as a medium; shitheads like this are neither rare nor well-done.
If you throw the social contract out the window, I'm no longer under any obligation to apply it to you.
I don't believe in the bible or jesus or any other fairy tales
Who is excluding maga? I want everyone (including maga) to have Healthcare, education, workers rights, etc. I wouldn't go as far as "loving" but sure as he'll not excluding them.
Excluding people because of their conscious choices and actions is something that basically every human organization and government does on a daily basis.
Excluding people because of racial/religious labels is something bigots do and it is often illegal for the organizations mentioned above to do it.
That was close , I almost helped an innocent child with the equivalent of some lost pocket change... Thanks Jesus.
What you do is read the fucking manual.
“The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
Some of them will do some impressive backflips to argue that "of there's means Christians only. Because of the "brothers and sisters of mine" bit, it only means they have to be good to their in-group. Nevermind the canonical answer to "who is my neighbor?"
They don't reason. They feel, and look for justifications. We're all susceptible to that, but some people have that problem really bad.
That's a classic example of evil seeking an excuse. The religion telling her to be different is offensive because what it actually says is of no importance. Her specifically chosen reading of it is all she cares about.
Does she knows that the characters in the book are Hebrews? Apart from the parts in Greece.
44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
No, they would answer, "yeah but those people were brown"
This is why I laugh loudly and from the belly when the old "atheists have no spiritual guide to frame morality" chestnut rears its head in any conversation.
What do I do?
Have you tried killing yourself?
And they wonder why so many of their kids have fucked right off and joined the opposition. It'd be funny if it wasn't such a mess.
Well, it's a simple question. Where do your loyalties lie? Like one of your guitar guys (Johnny Mellencamp) said back in the 1980's...'You've gotta stand for something or you'll fall for anything'.
What do I do?
Give to him who asks you, and from him who wants to borrow from you do not turn away.
If there's a hell, there's a special place in it for "Christians" who fervently oppose the literal words of their deity
you either give or gtfo. if you choose gtfo, you can resign yourself to never getting in
Charitably, maybe she just couldn't read it?
Oh nevermind, she had to put her foot right in her mouth. What about "what have you done for the least of these?" is unclear?

Ask Jesus if he's also a legal good citizen American fighting for the true American kingdom
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