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[–] 324 points 2 months ago* (18 children)

Anyone who works for a living is part of the working class and bullshit like this only strengthens capitals grip by pitting workers against workers.

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  • [+] 88 points 2 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 31 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    the epstein class are the ones who have the biggest fakest "email-jobs".

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    The cunts who works at places like kalshi and such can 100% disappear with zero detriment to society. Those are the fucking fake-ass e-mail jobs, and to act like there’s no difference between some piece of shit pulling barely legal scams and someone in a public service position is fucking stupid.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago

    I’ve turned down few job offers in my time because those would have me work on online gambling systems and shit.

    I know people who still chose to work in there, whose motivation was something like “If I didn’t scam these people - someone else would have”. And what I think after all that - if person’s job is detrimental to society - this person doesn’t matter, even if they’re working hard, 9-to-5, all that shit.

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  • [+] -6 points 2 months ago* (6 children)

    Remember when covid happened and everyone had to stop working? Well not everyone, just everyone with bullshit jobs.

    Everything was basically fine. The only real problems as far as i could tell were that we all thought we were going to die and were scared to go near our grandparents incase we killed them, and some lines stopped going up.

    I wish we could do it again, share the "real jobs" out amongst everyone so we only had to work a couple days a week, only this time we can also not be terrified of apocalypse-movie scale of death.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Well not everyone, just everyone with bullshit jobs.

    What? A lot of people with real jobs got screwed over as well. E.g., most prominently restaurant workers. I personally know several people who lost their jobs or small businesses due to covid, including a pâtissière, local art gallery curator, club DJ, and bartender. They were all valuable members of the local community who were absolutely shit on by the pandemic.

    Everything was basically fine. The only real problems as far as i could tell were that we all thought we were going to die and were scared to go near our grandparents incase we killed them, and some lines stopped going up.

    Over seven million people died and are still dying, not to mention permanent conditions and long hospitalizations. And now we have an inflated, cancerous anti-vax movement, cost-of-living crisis, and generation of students who got fucked.

    I'm happy it worked out for you, but the COVID-19 pandemic left a monstrous scar on the world. I can only hope our governments and people will be more prepared next time. We should not forget what was lost.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    The current cost of living crisis started because of the economic turmoil in COVID you refer to as "some lines stopped going up". There have been other causes, but that was a huge chunk of it.

    But sure "everything was basically fine" because you personally didn't die, I guess

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I admit I have a pretty juvenile understanding of economics. I meant the sewers still worked, the health care system mostly still worked even while overrun, trains still ran fine, food and supplies stabilised after the original panic-buying fuckup.

    The fact that I personally didnt die was a bonus I'll grant you that.

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  • [–] 107 points 2 months ago (17 children)

    If you punch a clock to pay your bills, you're working class. Don't let them turn us against each other.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago (10 children)

    So I’m a salaried engineer and can’t be part of the movement?

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  • [–] 23 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    The double-edged sword of western labor. Your options are:

    • Work hourly and get some middle manager rolling dice to see which hours/days you're scheduled for every week, the day before the timesheet goes out.

    • Work salary and get sucked into late night deployments, lunch meetings, and assorted overtime projects you don't receive pay for.

    They catch ya comin' and they catch ya goin'

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Is this an US-specific problem?

    Monthly salaries with hourly compensation for overtime is a thing too

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    I've never heard of a job that paid on those terms. Historically, you've had hourly contracts on a fixed schedule, so you were functionally guaranteed a minimum number of hours. But modern service workers operate under Zero Hours contracts that don't guarantee any kind of minimum.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    I think their point is we should be part of the movement. Although, IMO we should also recognize that there are definitely chose who have it worse

    (I say "we" since I'm also a salaried engineer)

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Yeah, as an hourly engineer that's how I feel. When I was salary I still needed my ass in a seat if I wanted to eat, even if not being nickel and dimed on time in theory was nice (they eventually did switch to having us punch a clock though)

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    while the comment stated A => B, you assumed the reciprocal B => A, thus making you wrong : you absolutely can be a salaried engineer and be working class

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  • [–] -3 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    I'm bourgeoisie, can I still be part of the movement or do I have to divest first?

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Do you make enough from those investments to live off of them? If not, you're not bourgeoisie.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    The international worker's day is a holiday in france, so everyone can go protest (or do whatever at home, but there are usually big protests on may 1st)

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  • [–] 162 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    I see no point in trying to pit us against each other. People with normal desk jobs aren't inherently the problem.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Eh, I've worked pretty much all of those jobs and worked on stats; it's true that these people aren't the problem, but a lot of them aren't helping either. They inherently don't care as long as they're comfortable.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    They inherently don't care as long as they're comfortable.

    Isn't that just humanity?

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    Hah! Yeah, for the most part. My city has a great bicycle network and yet people are still burning gasoline to move just themselves around or to transport five bananas and a jug of milk from the store to their home that is five blocks away.

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  • [+] -18 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Have you ever said 'Those jobs are never coming back'?

    If you have, you're part of the problem.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    I wish it were like Christmas Day, where almost every business is ACTUALLY closed.

    I don't celebrate, so this isn't nostalgia for Christmas magic or whatever.

    I just like that it's a day that no matter what, for the most part, you're on your own. Forgot to buy groceries? Scrounge the cupboard. Forgot to fill the gas tank? You're staying home. Faucet leaking? Turn off the water, wash your hands in a different sink, call the plumber(or go to the hardware store) tomorrow. Ain't NOTHING getting done today.

    It's the only day where the majority of people in areas where the holiday is celebrated, all agree that ain't nobody doing anything that day.

    Granted there's lots of caveats. Some businesses are open by choice, some by necessity. I used to work at a nursing home, that's gotta stay open, me and a few coworkers would volunteer to take the holiday shifts.

    These days I'm still blue collar, but I do have most big holidays off.

    But if you thought some random gas station or grocery store was gonna be open so you can pop in on Christmas? No dice.

    Why isn't labour Day that way?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I wish it were like Christmas Day, where almost every business is ACTUALLY closed

    Idk about where you live, but a bunch of businesses in Houston will close a little earlier on Christmas Eve and open up at around noon on Christmas Day. Nobody wants to Not Work anymore. Everything has to be open all the time.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    Where I grew up if your pipe bursts on Christmas you better hope you can find a Jewish or otherwise non-Christian (cultural or religious) plumber that's only charging mild holiday markups, because the Christian plumbers ain't gonna be so charitable (but you can probably get one to come out).

    It's emergency workers only. So yeah you've got medical professionals in the ER, folks keeping the water running, and some tradespeople will leave their phone on just in case they get the opportunity to make a very high hourly wage, as well as owner operated businesses that don't feel like taking the day off (hence the old stereotypes of Jewish people getting Chinese food and watching a movie on Christmas). If it's not an emergency you're better off not even checking if anyone's working.

    And I agree that that's what labor day should be like. In fact, we should have a handful of holidays like that.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 months ago* (4 children)

    My boss handles everyone a chocolate bar

    "Thank you guys for yo hard labor. Happy labor day"

    Everyone gotta get back to labor after that.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    My boss’ boss gives everyone a Lindt chocolate on their start date anniversary, which is nice and all but if I WFH for a few days or simply don’t see him for a while, then when he finally gives it to me he says something like “I haven’t seen you around for a while?” and now it looks bad. Keep the chocolate just stop thinking about me.

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  • [–] 83 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Don't put workers against workers.

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  • [–] 60 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (6 children)

    Guess my kid's elementary school teacher has a fake email job too.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago

    Just using email while also doing something important doesn't make a job a fake job. Fake jobs are the kind of jobs that society would be fine without. Marketing, sales development, hr. Jobs which exist solely to peddle around useless emails like competitive reviews, social listening reports, messaging matrixes, research debriefs, etc., or responding to such bs in an ever escalating cycle of useless burecracy.

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  • [+] -10 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Do your kids have a Chromebook?

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  • [–] 47 points 2 months ago (11 children)

    Office jobs are still jobs. If a business genuinely was wasting vast amounts of money on fake work, then these jobs would be eliminated already. They are gradually being automated away, same as physical labor, but they still exist because they are still important for production.

    The target of your ire should not be this or that subsection of the working class, but instead the capitalist class.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (10 children)

    A lot of jobs are pure bullshit jobs that only exist because the corporation needed to hire inorder to appear growing. They then do mass firings to appear like they're cutting costs. It's all smoke and mirrors for the shareholders.

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  • [–] 28 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    That doesn't make the people filling those roles not working class, in fact it highlights how disposable the working class is to the capitalist class, and further reinforces my point: capitalists are the enemy.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullshit_Jobs

    anthropologist David Graeber that postulates the existence of meaningless jobs which cause psychological harm. He contends that over half of societal work is pointless and becomes psychologically destructive (when paired with a work ethic that associates work with self-worth) because workers are required to pretend their role is not as pointless or harmful as they know it to be.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I'm aware of Graeber's work. I don't really agree with much of his conclusions or analysis, as he is an anarchist and I'm a Marxist-Leninist, but we would agree that much of office work is indeed socially unproductive, if we were to pivot to a socialist economy. That being said, we exist in capitalism, and thus office workers are working class, regardless of how necessary the work they do is beyond helping generate profit.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    Yeah, I'm an anarchist who generally does agree with Graeber, but I do think that it's vital to understand that he did see office workers, including ones in bullshit jobs, as working class. He resented the bureaucracy not the bureacrat. And it's important to note that plenty of office work isn't inherently within his definition of bullshit jobs. Hell, I'd argue there's a fair chance that the largest portion of people working bullshit jobs are in the category of "industry does more harm than good and the worker knows it".

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    The word meaningless is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. Is it meaningless to sort and file reports? In the grand scheme of things, and to society, maybe. But not to the company that's paying you. They have value from it.

    I'm not saying the companies are hyper efficient with only purposeful work. I'm saying that companies aren't intentionally throwing out money on work that they know is useless. They're too greedy for that.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Once a company reaches a certain size, being able to micro manage individual workloads to max efficiency become impossible and individual middle managers have an incentive to appear like their whole workforce is necessary.

    They're not intentionally throwing money away because to them, the appearance of growth has to come before actually growth. They consider useless hires the cost of doing business. And when it fails, "they can just make the though decisions" and do the layoff the shareholders want. Otherwise, how to do explain the waves of mass hirings and mass firings?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Right. But back to the context of this thread: they're all given work and they're all real workers, even if their work isn't ultimately providing dollars to the balance sheet. They still have a value to the company.

    And all workers should have labor day off.

    The original comic is being needlessly divisive.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I doubt that. You could do the same thing with fake job postings if you really wanted, and it's cheaper.

    But let's say you're right. Those people would still be given lots of work and be busy, because if they were allowed to be not busy everyone else would see and not want to work.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    PSA, Labour day is the first of may.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Weird. It was yesterday in Canada. Funny that.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago

    The warehouse I work at gets Labor Day off every year.

    Then the week after they basically have the grill going for 5 days straight for Employee Appreciation Week.

    It's pretty nice.

    Sometimes.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    White collar jobs are still jobs. If you have to trade hours of your life to afford the things you need to live you are part of the working class... That's why it's called the working class and not the blue collar class.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    White and blue coller also don't make sense in the modern working world. With many tasks in a factory being automated out and many jobs in a business looking more like an office tasks with higher skill sets needed. Manufacturing requires alot more planning and less people on the floor handalling products.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Ignoring factory and warehouse workers as per usual

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    it's curious that the US does not observe it in that day since the events that commemorates it happened in Chicago, during a series of protests for a 8 hour work day.

    But of course, that is not accident. They put a lot of effort in framing workers' movements as a communist plot. At one point they even instituted a "loyalty day" on 1st of May to counteract any labour movement.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago

    someone unironically told me yesterday 'you must be so busy with everyone off!'

    I WAS busy, nothing changed on my end compared to every other Monday of the year. which is basically I'm given a job that's too much for one person, but I struggle to get help so often than even getting my legally required breaks can be like pulling teeth.

    anyway I just said 'except for me! (:' and she didn't say anything else after that.

    it's like these people forget that we too are humans working behind the counter. People that are WORKING on LABOR day.

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  • [–] 36 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Just because our cage is slightly nicer and we get fed slightly better slop doesn't mean we're not in this together.

    Most of us are sticking with you ... the real problem is the 1%

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  • [–] 44 points 2 months ago

    Americans will attack other workers for minor differences in lifestyle rather than attack their boss for failing to provide basic quality of life in exchange for full time work.

    Just like the ruling class wants...

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I was called a essential worker during COVID and had to work every single day but throughout COVID and all this time post-COVID I haven't gotten a single raise. How can my job be essential but not worth anything?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    The job is essential, but you the person who does it are expendable.

    In a capitalist system, labor is a commodity privy to supply/demand, and so since any person can fulfill the responsibility, the owners have ample supply of replacements, and you have no leverage over them to get higher compensation.

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