Anyone who works for a living is part of the working class and bullshit like this only strengthens capitals grip by pitting workers against workers.
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If you punch a clock to pay your bills, you're working class. Don't let them turn us against each other.
So I’m a salaried engineer and can’t be part of the movement?
If you work in order to actually be able to to live, eat, and have shelter, you are working class.
The double-edged sword of western labor. Your options are:
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Work hourly and get some middle manager rolling dice to see which hours/days you're scheduled for every week, the day before the timesheet goes out.
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Work salary and get sucked into late night deployments, lunch meetings, and assorted overtime projects you don't receive pay for.
They catch ya comin' and they catch ya goin'
Is this an US-specific problem?
Monthly salaries with hourly compensation for overtime is a thing too
I've never heard of a job that paid on those terms. Historically, you've had hourly contracts on a fixed schedule, so you were functionally guaranteed a minimum number of hours. But modern service workers operate under Zero Hours contracts that don't guarantee any kind of minimum.
I think their point is we should be part of the movement. Although, IMO we should also recognize that there are definitely chose who have it worse
(I say "we" since I'm also a salaried engineer)
Yeah, as an hourly engineer that's how I feel. When I was salary I still needed my ass in a seat if I wanted to eat, even if not being nickel and dimed on time in theory was nice (they eventually did switch to having us punch a clock though)
while the comment stated A => B, you assumed the reciprocal B => A, thus making you wrong : you absolutely can be a salaried engineer and be working class
What makes you think us salary slaves aren't working class? I still have to punch a clock every day to get my salary....
I'm bourgeoisie, can I still be part of the movement or do I have to divest first?
Look to what Engels did. There are plenty of class traitors throughout history.
Do you make enough from those investments to live off of them? If not, you're not bourgeoisie.
No, by the very definition you are cosplaying as a poor. That might be worse.
The international worker's day is a holiday in france, so everyone can go protest (or do whatever at home, but there are usually big protests on may 1st)
I see no point in trying to pit us against each other. People with normal desk jobs aren't inherently the problem.
Eh, I've worked pretty much all of those jobs and worked on stats; it's true that these people aren't the problem, but a lot of them aren't helping either. They inherently don't care as long as they're comfortable.
They inherently don't care as long as they're comfortable.
Isn't that just humanity?
Have you ever said 'Those jobs are never coming back'?
If you have, you're part of the problem.
I wish it were like Christmas Day, where almost every business is ACTUALLY closed.
I don't celebrate, so this isn't nostalgia for Christmas magic or whatever.
I just like that it's a day that no matter what, for the most part, you're on your own. Forgot to buy groceries? Scrounge the cupboard. Forgot to fill the gas tank? You're staying home. Faucet leaking? Turn off the water, wash your hands in a different sink, call the plumber(or go to the hardware store) tomorrow. Ain't NOTHING getting done today.
It's the only day where the majority of people in areas where the holiday is celebrated, all agree that ain't nobody doing anything that day.
Granted there's lots of caveats. Some businesses are open by choice, some by necessity. I used to work at a nursing home, that's gotta stay open, me and a few coworkers would volunteer to take the holiday shifts.
These days I'm still blue collar, but I do have most big holidays off.
But if you thought some random gas station or grocery store was gonna be open so you can pop in on Christmas? No dice.
Why isn't labour Day that way?
I wish it were like Christmas Day, where almost every business is ACTUALLY closed
Idk about where you live, but a bunch of businesses in Houston will close a little earlier on Christmas Eve and open up at around noon on Christmas Day. Nobody wants to Not Work anymore. Everything has to be open all the time.
Where I grew up if your pipe bursts on Christmas you better hope you can find a Jewish or otherwise non-Christian (cultural or religious) plumber that's only charging mild holiday markups, because the Christian plumbers ain't gonna be so charitable (but you can probably get one to come out).
It's emergency workers only. So yeah you've got medical professionals in the ER, folks keeping the water running, and some tradespeople will leave their phone on just in case they get the opportunity to make a very high hourly wage, as well as owner operated businesses that don't feel like taking the day off (hence the old stereotypes of Jewish people getting Chinese food and watching a movie on Christmas). If it's not an emergency you're better off not even checking if anyone's working.
And I agree that that's what labor day should be like. In fact, we should have a handful of holidays like that.
My boss handles everyone a chocolate bar
"Thank you guys for yo hard labor. Happy labor day"
Everyone gotta get back to labor after that.

Meanwhile everyone in the office upstairs gets platters of free food and drinks while working a half day but getting paid for the full day
My boss’ boss gives everyone a Lindt chocolate on their start date anniversary, which is nice and all but if I WFH for a few days or simply don’t see him for a while, then when he finally gives it to me he says something like “I haven’t seen you around for a while?” and now it looks bad. Keep the chocolate just stop thinking about me.
So in the US it's not on may first and you don't get a paid day off? On labour day?
Don't put workers against workers.
Guess my kid's elementary school teacher has a fake email job too.
Just using email while also doing something important doesn't make a job a fake job. Fake jobs are the kind of jobs that society would be fine without. Marketing, sales development, hr. Jobs which exist solely to peddle around useless emails like competitive reviews, social listening reports, messaging matrixes, research debriefs, etc., or responding to such bs in an ever escalating cycle of useless burecracy.
Do your kids have a Chromebook?
Even if they had, it wouldn't still be the teacher's fault; a computer can also be useful for some type of neurodivergent people
Office jobs are still jobs. If a business genuinely was wasting vast amounts of money on fake work, then these jobs would be eliminated already. They are gradually being automated away, same as physical labor, but they still exist because they are still important for production.
The target of your ire should not be this or that subsection of the working class, but instead the capitalist class.
A lot of jobs are pure bullshit jobs that only exist because the corporation needed to hire inorder to appear growing. They then do mass firings to appear like they're cutting costs. It's all smoke and mirrors for the shareholders.
That doesn't make the people filling those roles not working class, in fact it highlights how disposable the working class is to the capitalist class, and further reinforces my point: capitalists are the enemy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullshit_Jobs
anthropologist David Graeber that postulates the existence of meaningless jobs which cause psychological harm. He contends that over half of societal work is pointless and becomes psychologically destructive (when paired with a work ethic that associates work with self-worth) because workers are required to pretend their role is not as pointless or harmful as they know it to be.
I'm aware of Graeber's work. I don't really agree with much of his conclusions or analysis, as he is an anarchist and I'm a Marxist-Leninist, but we would agree that much of office work is indeed socially unproductive, if we were to pivot to a socialist economy. That being said, we exist in capitalism, and thus office workers are working class, regardless of how necessary the work they do is beyond helping generate profit.
Yeah, I'm an anarchist who generally does agree with Graeber, but I do think that it's vital to understand that he did see office workers, including ones in bullshit jobs, as working class. He resented the bureaucracy not the bureacrat. And it's important to note that plenty of office work isn't inherently within his definition of bullshit jobs. Hell, I'd argue there's a fair chance that the largest portion of people working bullshit jobs are in the category of "industry does more harm than good and the worker knows it".
when paired with a work ethic that associates work with self-worth
This was an important part that shouldn't be discounted since it was still at the core of the argument.
The word meaningless is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. Is it meaningless to sort and file reports? In the grand scheme of things, and to society, maybe. But not to the company that's paying you. They have value from it.
I'm not saying the companies are hyper efficient with only purposeful work. I'm saying that companies aren't intentionally throwing out money on work that they know is useless. They're too greedy for that.
Once a company reaches a certain size, being able to micro manage individual workloads to max efficiency become impossible and individual middle managers have an incentive to appear like their whole workforce is necessary.
They're not intentionally throwing money away because to them, the appearance of growth has to come before actually growth. They consider useless hires the cost of doing business. And when it fails, "they can just make the though decisions" and do the layoff the shareholders want. Otherwise, how to do explain the waves of mass hirings and mass firings?
Right. But back to the context of this thread: they're all given work and they're all real workers, even if their work isn't ultimately providing dollars to the balance sheet. They still have a value to the company.
And all workers should have labor day off.
The original comic is being needlessly divisive.
I doubt that. You could do the same thing with fake job postings if you really wanted, and it's cheaper.
But let's say you're right. Those people would still be given lots of work and be busy, because if they were allowed to be not busy everyone else would see and not want to work.
PSA, Labour day is the first of may.
Weird. It was yesterday in Canada. Funny that.
The warehouse I work at gets Labor Day off every year.
Then the week after they basically have the grill going for 5 days straight for Employee Appreciation Week.
It's pretty nice.
Sometimes.
White collar jobs are still jobs. If you have to trade hours of your life to afford the things you need to live you are part of the working class... That's why it's called the working class and not the blue collar class.
No, we need to divide society so we can keep everyone at each other's throats!
White and blue coller also don't make sense in the modern working world. With many tasks in a factory being automated out and many jobs in a business looking more like an office tasks with higher skill sets needed. Manufacturing requires alot more planning and less people on the floor handalling products.
Ignoring factory and warehouse workers as per usual
it's curious that the US does not observe it in that day since the events that commemorates it happened in Chicago, during a series of protests for a 8 hour work day.
But of course, that is not accident. They put a lot of effort in framing workers' movements as a communist plot. At one point they even instituted a "loyalty day" on 1st of May to counteract any labour movement.
someone unironically told me yesterday 'you must be so busy with everyone off!'
I WAS busy, nothing changed on my end compared to every other Monday of the year. which is basically I'm given a job that's too much for one person, but I struggle to get help so often than even getting my legally required breaks can be like pulling teeth.
anyway I just said 'except for me! (:' and she didn't say anything else after that.
it's like these people forget that we too are humans working behind the counter. People that are WORKING on LABOR day.
Just because our cage is slightly nicer and we get fed slightly better slop doesn't mean we're not in this together.
Most of us are sticking with you ... the real problem is the 1%
I mean y'all could stick it to the one percent by forgoing going to the store or eating out on labor day
Americans will attack other workers for minor differences in lifestyle rather than attack their boss for failing to provide basic quality of life in exchange for full time work.
Just like the ruling class wants...
I was called a essential worker during COVID and had to work every single day but throughout COVID and all this time post-COVID I haven't gotten a single raise. How can my job be essential but not worth anything?
The job is essential, but you the person who does it are expendable.
In a capitalist system, labor is a commodity privy to supply/demand, and so since any person can fulfill the responsibility, the owners have ample supply of replacements, and you have no leverage over them to get higher compensation.
Me too! I work as flooring distributor yet we were consider "essential " so work without extra benefits or raise all through Covid.
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