The headline should more accurately be "The LG problem."
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These Smart TVs are hanging in lots of meeting rooms at companies around the world. I wonder how many IT departments thought about checking for this.
And it's no only LG, it's all of them
"LG Isn't the Only TV Company Spying on You" https://youtu.be/IvFu343KNek
i wonder what our stock phones are doing.
My Samsung TV will never see a WiFi password in its life.
I have an open guest network and the neighbour's TV is on it...
That’s wild. I guess I need to do a review of my setup…
It's completely isolated from my own network. Ironically, it would almost be safer to put my TV on it instead of my home network.
The annoying thing is that if I have a dedicated clanker VLAN, I can't cast to my TV.
All you need to know is the US military bas to block ad Ids on their soldiers phones to stop people from buying data with a credit card to find them.
It cannot continue to be acceptable for companies to track anyone and everyone at this level.
I'm wondering if something like a PiHole can "fake" a connection for these devices.
I don't know about that part (though would like to know as well), this is currently blocked on my pi-hole:
including my custom RegExs. This surely helps but there are domains constantly pop-up every now and then, so it's not fool-proof.
It put my TV in its own group in pi-hole, blocked everything (.*) for that group, and then whitelisted what I wanted the TV to be able to get to.
I should try this. I presume you would need static IP on your TV?
You can also add devices to groups by MAC address or hostname, but a static IP might be best.
I only need a couple of domains to work. My way could be a hassle if you need to figure out whitelists for a few services.
I caught an app that my daughter's school uses called ClassDojo that wouldn't work at my company for some reason. I had to reach out to our security admin and it turns out it was doing DNS lookups by bypassing my company's DNS server. I submitted a ticket to the company and they ended up either designing the app to fallback to the device's assigned DNS or either probably doing something else shady. Idk, it works now.
My point is there's more than one way to do a DNS lookup.
While I haven't heard about any TVs that do this, seems like only a matter of time until Tvs that won't function unless they can contact the mothership.
It wouldn't be hard to make it. Or w/e other consumer devices. Just gate all functionality behind the user "agreeing". Most ppl will click OK on literally anything.
By clicking agree, you accept that we or our 1829 partners can break into your house, steal your shit, shoot your puppy, plant rootkits in all your devices, piss in your pot of soup, and set the place on fire before we go. Millions of ppl -> Clicks OK.
Watched this last night. I'm wondering if I could make money lobotomizing smart TVs. Remove the WiFi antenna and either remove the mic or put a actual hardwire switch to it.
You'd have to test whether the TV's firmware allows it to run without the microphone or WiFi. Some manufacturers will anticipate people trying to control their own tech and shut their device down at any sign of tampering.
Even if you never connect to wifi TVs can seek out open connections, so is there a way to disrupt or weaken the wifi signal range on TVs without physically opening it?
Faraday cage?
A Samsung TV did this a few years ago, story on Reddit and HN.
It found an open passwordless WiFi and connected to it.
It's literally mentioned in the video
It's mentioned in the first half hour, but I don't have the timestamp
A company that is harvesting data is better to not be given benefit of the doubt. I'm left trusting them less as opposed to trusting them to respect privacy.
Preaching caution is FUD? Like telling people to not trust Windows, moving to custom roms like GrapheneOS on phones, or taking steps tp cease online connection of smart devices?
All corporations are data harvesting these days, so not trusting them and taking steps to reduce exposure seems to be good advice these days.
You give off the vibe of just trust them unless proven otherwise.
I wonder if they just call a MS Win11 API to get their tracking ID just to make it a well rounded spy conglomerate
So, We should take lg employees hostage. Tell them we're just extracting useful data to sell.
Or you know Luigi because let's be real none of us getting a dime.
Absolutely wild that Sceptre seems to be the last brand without a smart TV, is generally cheaper, and has more ports than the Samsung one I bought a few years ago, which can't be better than LG
And if you click the YT link, Google is spying on you. Sad no alternative is given, but that would hurt the bottom line, right?
Open said link in your front end of choice
Save yourself the time you spent writing this
Profit
Look you are right, but everything that promotes awareness about privacy it's a plus in my book.
Being the devil's advocate, nexus gamer is not a privacy channel. They are a tech one that started doing some journalism and they seem to be new to the privacy side of things. This story come about after the monitor ad pop stuff.
Related rant: For me phones are way more scary, they are everywhere, and you have no control on your friends and family devices. You can´t ask everyone to buy pixels and install graphene os on them.
Its an interesting topic of discourse, no?
And certainly some argument such as "more eyes" can be a valid part of the overall discussion.
For myself, I would counter that posting YT links in a privacy focused community is defeatist in nature. Literally rewarding a platform, influencers that actually have no genuine interest in the topic, other than they found a new crowd they can cash in upon.
Obviously I didn't watch, but informed guess -- the video was 10 times longer than it needed to be, filled with fluff to fit in ever more commercials and/or inline promotions?
Does anyone interested in privacy not know TVs are invasive & nasty?
Perhaps. So start a topic upon it, without feeding the beast you wish to slay. Its truly a good discussion. And much valuable input from those who have confronted it can be shared.
I do agree, phones are horrific, and none of my crowd cares about privacy. Running a degoogled OS, no microG, no play store, only open source apps. We all try to take whatever steps we can, and its not easy, including changing ones online habits, usually the biggest obstacle. Which makes putting YT links in these privacy forums insulting.
Seriously. That is my (unpopular) opinion. I call it my ongoing journey to walk the walk best as able.
One can be offended, or reflect upon their habits effecting real change. I'll end my rants on this topic now. Cheers, mate!
Yeah you are right, posting a youtube link was a bad call from op, even the rules on the forum frown on it. (First rule even!) A better approach would have been a summary or article with the important points.
And I have to be fair with you.... you guessed right. The video is too long, I had to skip a lot since they were repeating the same things over and over. Worse part is that, my awareness pitch, fell flat. I just checked the comments in the video, half of the section reads like this:
"I wont buy from LG anymore" "FuckLG" "Thas why i don't use tvs"
They didn't understand that the problem is bigger than one brand or device, that there's a whole system behind this. Nor the irony of being horrified of spying software while signed to google services.
Sigh.. maybe i shouldn't rush to be a devil's advocate anymore... it always bites me back.
Anyways, I still think is important to reach people where they are, and youtube videos should help, it has reach and its were the more oblivious guys are. Although, it would have been really really nice from them to host it in a less hostile platform for everyone else.
Now like you, i will end my rant here. Loved yours, even if it was a little spicy, which may have offended some people. But there was truth there, and for me at least, made me reconsider some things.
Cheers!
Must be loud for anyone listening if i flick against the tv (or phone or any other internet device) so i do it regulary to repel the cia 😡
I bought an LG TV two months before I heard about any of the fuckery LG pushes through their TVs. Granted I don’t allow any device internet access but I’m still pissed.
The device record audio, even without internet.
Check the video for more info.
Never let it connect to internet.
This is a temporary solution though. One day they'll just include cellular connectivity into their TVs once it gets cheap enough to do so. And this is terrifying because by then there will be no escape from their surveillance short of hacking into it or putting it in a faraday cage.
They record audio and convert it to text locally so it has virtually infinite storage of everything it hears and uses almost no bandwidth to transmit everything once Internet is reconnected.
Yes, my only hope is that it relies on a wlan connection, which I simply won’t grant it.
They look for any WiFi device you have, or your neighbours, HDMI connection(Those are 2 way connections BTW that can connect through devices that are plugged into your internet), or any other random laptop, phone, or neighbour's device that it can connect with. Just unplugging them from the internet does nothing. They keep recording and as soon as you have to plug in again or another route is available, Boom goes the dynamite.
i literally bought lg tv hours before their first driver fuckery came to light. im learning how to jailbreak my tv i hope its enough
A new, fully open source firmware is way better than simply not hooking it to Internet, but the only real fix is to disconnect or burn the modem and microphone. Obviously, we all have different a different level of attack surface that makes us feel comfortable. I'm just giving you a heads up. You never know what's in the other chips.
Might be time to take out the wire snips.
Or look for a Mic cutoff switch: https://www.tomsguide.com/tvs/yes-your-tv-probably-has-a-microphone-in-it-heres-how-to-turn-it-off
I just bought 3 of these how do I fix it 😭
Gamers Nexus is actively working on fixing this. It's a part of the investigation. Not just exposing the spying, but learning how to actively stop it on the devices. Stay tuned to the Gamers Nexus channels over the next few months as they release the investigation videos.
I am at work now so i haven't seen the video but can anyone recommend a cheap good "scanner" or something like that that could show me which devices are listening to me and my family?
The only good scanner is your frontal lobe. Most scanners are a scam prying on fear of the uneducated. Every smart device is a potential attack vector, and there are two class of entities that can use your device maliciously. Black hat hackers that put malware for residential proxy services or manufactures selling data to advertisers. There are ways to mitigate the risk like air-gapping, putting them on separate network, jailbreaking and buying dumb devices.
Did a gas leak happen in here? Why are the comments on this post so weird?
Maybe some people are a bit too 'all or nothing' when it comes to privacy. Youtube isn't the best, but what Gamers Nexus does is incredible investigative journalist work and they should be celebrated for it. I'd have had no idea about this had they not done the work they did. Fuck Google, for sure, but let's not toss the baby out with the bathwater.
Privacy is really more a spectrum than anything. A spectrum of what are you willing to deal with and how much is it going to impact your life. At least that is how I see that. Anyways, on that note, fuck LG.
Posted on YouTube, known fascist spy shop
https://redirect.invidious.io/watch?v=6IFVTcM28KA
I'm not a fan of YT so the least you could do in a privacy sub is post an alt link for Christ's sake... Also, that fucking video is 2 HOURS?! Oh hell no!
Edit: OK I watched about 10 minutes, going to dig into my old 2016 LG TV to see if it does this... 3D or not, it'll go into the trash!
These guys are spending tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours of their time to bring this information to you and advocating for your privacy rights and you complain about where the video is hosted and the length of it?
At least include a link to their Patreon in your whining posts, https://www.patreon.com/gamersnexus
Tens of thousands off YouTube... So why the fuck would I support them through Patreon when they get YT money?!
Good for them for doing the PSA and research, is appreciated. But I'm not utilizing a YT link and am respecting others' data privacy too.
Read more carefully, I said they are spending tens or hundreds of thousands to do this stuff, not that they are earning that amount. Youtube income doesnt cover the costs. Thats why they have merch and other sales. They also don't have third party sponsors anymore.
Grow an attention span.
Pssshh, some of us have lives and don't feel like watching 2 hours of some YT channel when the gist can be wrapped up in a <15 minutes. Plus, this is a privacy group, should be respectful of NOT using a big bro link, but I get some people don't actually care or understand the premise.
Grow a backbone for your data privacy.
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