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[–] 48 points 2 months ago (1 child)

The difference is that the hoarder and cat lady don't own fortune magazine, and entire propaganda networks to normalize their crimes.

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  • [–] 42 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    It's long past time we treat the egregious hoarding of wealth like the mental disorder that it is.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 25 points 2 months ago*

    A cat lady, newspaper guy, and billionaire walk into a bar.

    The cat lady orders a bloody mary. The newspaper guy orders a beer. The billionaire orders an underage child.

    The bartender shoots him, everyone cheers.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 months ago

    There are a lot of things that are unacceptable only if you're poor. In fact, if a rich man hoarded a ton of old newspapers, he'd be called an "eccentric collector of vintage print media." A rich woman with 150 cats would be a "dedicated feline rescue worker."

    A poor guy with a car up on blocks and a stockpile of rifles at his mobile home is "trailer trash," but put that car in a big garage and the guns in a case at a nice mansion and he's a "hunter and tinkerer." A poor farmer trying to stop a highway from being built through her field is "impeding progress," but if it's a rich woman's family estate, she's "fighting government overreach." Rich, blithering racist idiots with clear signs of dementia get elected to the Presidency, while Uncle Cletus gets escorted out of the town council meeting and his family is handed a flyer for a memory care facility when he says the same things.

    Across the board, there's stuff that's normalized and accepted for the wealthy but dismissed and looked down on for the poor. It's not just that hoarding the money is itself accepted, but also that someone who hoards money will find that all of their other antisocial and concerning behavior is also acceptable in the eyes of the public

    Money makes a very effective blindfold.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 months ago

    I could never understand this money-hoarding mindset. You could buy so many newspapers with all that!

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    You can keep raping children and getting away with it.

    The money is secondary, there's literally a massive child rape ring running the world right now.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    The money is not secondary. The money is how they get away with it. It enables their every desire.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    Exactly, the money is how they get away with "it". The "it" is the primary objective.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    Yes, and there are lots of scumbags we don't have problems with because they are generally too scared to explore the depths of evil because they will be caught.

    It's only when the scumbags get money and power enough to bribe their way out that they become Elon or Trump or Epstein.

    The money is the problem.

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  • The money is a problem, for sure. The reason they can't get enough of it is because they are actively committing heinous crimes and need the money to continue getting away with it. The money is a tool, it's not its own objective and that's why they can never get enough. Plenty of billionaires we never heard of who are happing to keep making a ten percent profit each year and aren't stressed about making more, those are the ones that aren't actively engaging in child rape.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago

    The hoarder is a bit concerning but ultimately harmless.

    The cat lady is an animal welfare concern. But if she's genuinely trying to take good care of cats, she might be rehabilitated as a shelter worker.

    The last one is probably beyond redemption, if they would even accept it.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    I read a fun book once that proposed we should go off the gold standard and go onto the plutonium standard. Plutonium loses value as it decays, so you have incentive to spend it. If you keep it too long, you're likely to get cancer, so, again, incentive to spend it. And if you collect too much of it all together in one place, it goes kablooey, so there's one more factor limiting wealth hoarding.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Been saying the same for a long time.

    One small correction though: it's not cash they're hoarding - it's wealth, both material and immaterial.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    Hoarding wealth makes you a superstar and gives you influence and power. And that's what they're all about: forcing everyone else to acknowledge their importance. And if that's needed, they'll demonstrate their power of nuisance so that you can't ignore them.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    The moral of this meme is to tax the people that horde cats.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    I disagree. Someone with a lot of cats is crazy, not nuts. As in "crazy cat-lady". /s

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Good idea. Maybe we get to 2 million and then we just jump to infinity and assume they have enough money to pay for anything they want. The money just magically appears. That way they don't have to worry about making more than 3 million dollars. Plus it means that anyone who makes 3 million dollars can compete with the others, thus making it fair.

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  • [+] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] -3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (28 children)

    That's because hoarding useless shit isn't the same as hording a universal way of payment?

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago

    Yes, you are right, money hoarders are much worse than useless shit hoarders. Useless shit hoarders only hurt themselves and maybe their family. Money hoarders hurt literally everyone in the society, including (ultimately) themselves. They are different (though related) mental health issues which need to be addressed differently.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    You'd call me crazy if I stuffed my house full of gasoline or batteries. It wouldn't matter if I called them "universal energy storage".

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  • [–] -5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I'd call you crazy because you can't grasp the difference between a universal way of payment, also called a currency, and something that ist not that.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (22 children)

    Hoarding (with an a) is a mental disorder regardless of what you are hoarding.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 months ago (21 children)

    Doesn't matter. Hoarding money and hoarding newspaper isn't the same. Because as long as we live in capitalism money gets you everything, while newspapers don't.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (20 children)

    It does matter. That’s why we are talking about it.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 months ago (19 children)

    It doesn't matter in relation to my comment.

    Hoarding something that is more useful the more you have, makes more sense then hoarding something that isn't more useful the more you have.

    Mental disorder or not.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (18 children)

    Billions of dollars isn’t useful. They can’t possibly spend all their money in their lifetime even buying megayachts and shit.

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  • [+] -6 points 2 months ago (17 children)

    Completely flawed logic.

    Just because you can't spent all in your lifetime doesn't mean it's useless in your lifetime.

    They spent the money to shape the world in their image. They don't have to stress about food or shelter, and so on and so on.

    How is that not useful?

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (13 children)

    Because they could do that as millionaires. The hoarding comes from the excess.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 months ago (12 children)

    Flawed logic again.

    Just because they could do it als millionaire doesn't make it not useful as billionaire.

    Quite the opposite, as more money means more power. And more power is more useful.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    Useful for who? Isn't it a well known heuristic that more money/power doesnt always improve your own quality of life?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    Look, billionaires are hoarders. Just because money is useful doesn’t make them not hoarders.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    I agree.

    But when the question is "what is so good about hoarding wealth?" and then it goes on to equal that to hoarding newspapers, the answer is "because you can do a lot more with money than with newspapers".

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    It is literally the title of the post.

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    Must be, otherwise you would just say what ever it takes to save face.

    And even if, the question was still asked. So your "nobody" isn't true.

    But you confirmed more then once that talking with you is a waste of time.

    For the future. Just because someone states an observable fact, doesn't meant that the person thinks it is good that it is that way.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    If you were trying to answer the rhetorical title then fine. But a) it really didn’t come off that way and b) you’re still wrong because the observable fact is that over a certain amount money is useless and they are hoarding it.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    A) is your opinion stated as a fact

    B) you say that in a world where a billionaire wasted billions and is still one of the most powerful people that exist. More money means more margin for error.

    That's why people like you will be the ones who will suffer the most from all of this, you straight up don't understand how the world works. And if confronted with that you flee into a fantasy.

    Were are done here.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    Nothing I had said is an opinion. Hoarding is a documented mental illness.

    Yes because more money doesn’t necessarily mean more power. I assume you are talking about Musk and I am glad you brought him up because more money literally wouldn’t make him more powerful. Him being a ‘trillionaire’ didn’t change anything about what he is capable of. The only way for him to become more powerful would be to stage a coup.

    No we aren’t. But you don’t have to keep replying if you don’t want to.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    Omg thats exactly what is horrendous. How can society exist peacefully if its always contorting itself to some hoarders will?

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Maybe if the hoarder with the most money wants a peaceful society otherwise it most definitely can't.

    But the older I get the more I think a peaceful society isn't possible at all. People are just to different and everybody wants others to understand them while not being willing to understand someone else.

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    [–] 12 points 2 months ago

    They aren't going to stop themselves.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    I see nothing wrong with the cat thing...

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    [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    They don't actually hoard cash, it's more like stocks, so it's not so much hoarding a lot of them, but people assign great imaginary value to them.

    (I think, I'm an engineer, not a money scientist)

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    The clear correct answer is to normalize all hoarding behaviors. We don't need more absurd social rules ty.

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