The United States should start preparing for scenarios where extreme measures must be taken to stop China from achieving artificial general intelligence (AGI), according to a former White House official, including state-backed espionage and military strikes on Chinese data centres. Jacob Stokes, deputy director of the Indo-Pacific Security Program at the Centre for a New American Security (CNAS), said at an online event on Thursday that various US agencies, including the Department of Defense...


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[–] 11 points 2 months ago

Imagine a fucking war with China. Might as well feed your kids into the meat grinder yourself if the government is this fucking desperate to do it for you. Has to be some kind of loon among loons making the suggestion.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago

    This can't be real

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    People do realise that you won't achieve AGI no matter how much computing your throw at it? Are they so psychotic that they think it's a real treat?

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  • [–] -4 points 2 months ago* (5 children)

    Can you explain why you hold this viewpoint? From my perspective, all the tools are in place. Self adjusting weights, adaptive transformers, etc to actually achieve agi with enough compute and refinement. I'll be upfront that I'm only working with large abstract concepts, not the direct math, but I'm genuinely curious what makes you believe it's outside the scope of the first species to split an atom? Is there some formula or proven constant I'm missing?

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    LLMs and generally deep learning as a whole have a number of serious limitations that would seemingly prevent AGI. That's not even getting into the fact that a lot of the fundamentals of LLMs havent changed since they were rolled out almost a decade ago, so it seems unlikely we struck gold in 2017 and just havent worked it out yet.

    A great example is that LLMs can't do most math on their own. The Dag like structure of deep learning puts a finite limit on the number of calculations that are possible.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    It's an efficiency problem, our brain work on 1/100000000 the energy required by a data center at a 1/100000 the size, it should tell you how efficient brains are.

    You can throw resources at it but you'll be limited by bandwidth.

    But the fundamental problem is that we don't know how consciousness works. And if the goal is to reach AGI, at what scope? Have it create new technology? Wouldn't those billions have been better invested in research teams?

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  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    You could say the same thing about the computer in your hands 40 years ago dude, and why have humans in a life of unnecessary toil if we can accomplish all the day to day via machines? I just don't think I've got the same (somewhat justified) ai hate as most of lemmy.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    it’s not just that either. the current implementation of “ai” is not artifical intelegence. these llm’s do not conceptualize the subject matter they regurgitate. by the very way they operate they can not achieve this. examples of this failure have already been demonstrated with the full glass of wine scenario, and the strawberry scrnario.

    they operate on the tokenization of data, and their relationships, but where as a mind can form relationships between these nodes, an llm must be directed to do so. these directions are what they scrape. were it able to conceptualize there would be no need to train the llm’s as throughly as they do.

    it’s why we get pizza with the cheese glued on top.

    llm’s have their uses. but what is being sold is snake oil in order to cause a bubble for profit. if llms were just fed information with in a very specific scope, it could be a very useful tool without the need for it to scale up anywhere near this badly

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Machine learning and neural network have their place but they are custom made for one task. Current "AI" or llms and image generators have very few real use cases and does not justify their resource use plus they make money for mentally ill persons.

    Also the unnecessary toil is very necessary, but that's philosophy.

    Anyway due to some quantum laws there is a hard barrier on how small you can make transistors or else electrons will just pass through, and we're getting close to it, so we can't reach AGI that way

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    I support China reaching AGI before the US. Fuck the US, I mean, also fuck China but I hope the US loses.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    I refuse to believe this is real life

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    [–] 27 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    It's wild how delusional these people are to legitimately believe these hallucinating dogshit ass bots that are nothing more than glorified Akinators are anywhere close to sentient. Psychosis go brrrrr

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  • [–] 40 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I was told I am delusional if I think AGI comes within 15 years.
    Now there are articles that a war will start over a non-existent technology.

    I really hate this marketing bullshit they are doing. The ai bubble will pop, and everyone will blame ai for the financial crisis that's been going on even before AI craze started.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    oh come on , US just wants an excuse to attack china

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    How is the US going to have a war with china when they are currently losing one against Iran? 😂

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    This is what really gets me. If you think the debasification strategy was disastrous for the U.S. in this war with Iran, imagine how devastating it would be in all the random pacific and regional bases that China would instantly level because they've already spent all their interceptor munitions during a MONTHS long conflict with seemingly no route to a meaningful resupply in any non-years timeframe.

    The idea of a hot war with China is so farcical at this point that's it's comical.

    Unless the U.S. just decides to end the world in a nuclear apocalypse because honestly that seems on-mission for religious fanatics like Vance. It's terrifying that Rubio might actually be the voice of "reason" in that room.

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    [–] 9 points 2 months ago* (3 children)

    However, he noted that the US government and intelligence apparatus have “not been organised for espionage to gather technological secrets for decades”.

    So... what has it been doing the past few decades?

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    [–] 6 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    FFS, really. This was a lost cause when OpenAI,etc released their initial software. It is software. That can be developed anywhere in the world and sent anywhere else.

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    That’s why you gotta bomb places. So they can’t have software any more.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    I for one will have the chair and popcorn ready to watch the retaliatory strikes. We have a word in the US for people that threaten to blow up infrastructure for a political purpose. Weird how the media never applies it to our own government and military.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    agi isn't going to be nationalistic lol. When such a thing happens, it's going to quickly surpass human intelligence. We can already see that the smartest humans are not even nationalistic already.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    i want to see them try

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Send in a law enforcement helicopter for conspiracy to possess machine guns, destructive devices and weapons of mass destruction (AI) to Beijing and arrest Xi Jinping.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Why is the US like this? Violent, hateful and paranoid.

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    [–] 6 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    China would stomp the shit out of the US at this point.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Dude if they attack China that's the end of them.

    Anything short of a surprise nuclear attack and even then it could be M.A.D.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Sounds like Jacob Stokes should go fuck himself.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    This man is a delusional idiot, both because he believes AGI is happening in our lifetimes, and because he believes the US has any ability to militarily strike at China.

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    [–] 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    all this for a turdsandwich that is the silly buzzword called "AI". It is like arguing for the perfect bottle of posion. Soooo stooooopid

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