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[–] 109 points 2 months ago (9 children)

An army recruiter came to my extremely poor elementary school, and could basically say anything to us kids. Told us that if we joined the army you can get whatever food you want, at all, from the mess hall and a chef will cook it for you. And yes, being able to get food was a motivating factor for some of us.

I asked if you could get eggs Benedict every day if you asked for it. He looked a little nonplused, then said "oh yeah sure! Every day!"

I knew at that point he was full of it and told him so.

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  • [–] 37 points 2 months ago

    The rich school near me had the same thing. Navy medic came in to describe how amazing the navy treats you. Definitely not a recruiter, though. Made very clear up front that he wasn't there recruiting. Wink wink, nudge nudge.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I will say, that experience varies wildly by branch, and even chow hall to chow hall within a branch. I was in the Marines, and the "new" chow hall on Pendleton mainside (they opened it about a year after I got there, but that was 15 years ago now) was really pretty good. Solid breakfast burrito line, an omelet station where you could get real eggs, etc. Lunch and dinner had a few options, and a panini bar.

    The chow hall we had before that one opened was a dump.

    But then, I went TDY to an Air Force base. And let me tell you, that was better than most restaurants I've been to.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    Army recruiter in elementary school? Wtf? Just when you think lemmy already showed you what it's like over there.. From "it sucks" to starship troopers's shit level.

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  • [–] 129 points 2 months ago (13 children)

    Now do modern prison and public school food for comparison.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

    Honestly, the pics I've seen of USA school food were worse. Which kinda tracks; I'm sure they value soldiers higher than children.

    Above I see full grain rice and a variety of protein sources, if industrially produced. Salad is missing of course but that would be too much to ask Ig

    edit: I have heard that it varies. Both the pics in this post and the posts I've seen are anecdotal but not isolated outliers either.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    School food in the US is highly variable. Each individual school district sets food contracts, and there are over 13,000 districts. That said, many of them have very bad food, especially any district contracting with Sodexo is going to have awful food. But a lot of us make lunch for our kids to bring every day either way

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    My boys have packed for probably 2-4/5 days forever. They ALWAYS buy on Friday as apparently get a treat - ice cream bars, etc. And, cannot just buy the treat... Mostly they take leftovers. Occasionally (maybe once a week or so?) sandwiches - PBJ, or whatever delimeat we have.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    As @protist@retrofed.com just mentioned, it varies greatly.

    The lunch at my kids school today is:

    • Crispy chicken sandwich
    • Tater tots or French fries
    • Assorted chilled fruits (from local farms, usually blueberries, strawberries, cranberries, peaches, and apples)
    • Choice of veggies: pickles, cole slaw, or cucumber salad
    • Milk (1%, fat free, fat free chocolate, soy, almond)

    Each of those gets a swap option (not as much variety here given what it is) for allergies and preferences (such as vegan options).

    It would be really hard to try and make me consider that worse than what I just looked at.

    Edit: Full disclosure, our kids bring their lunch every day, on Fridays they can get an extra treat like cookies or something from there though). My wife makes bread fresh, we get our produce from the local farms too as well as growing a few things ourselves, etc.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago

    Speak for your terrible school district. Mine growing up, and my kid's today, had magnitudes better food than this slop.

    Prison food tho, you're on the mark based on what I've heard from my buddy and my brother from the time they spent back there.

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  • [–] 41 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    Ohh if you’re pissed at this just wait until you hear that the administration is funding the war out of the payroll for the armed services.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/aug/27/trump-iran-war-navy-budget

    When sailors stop getting paychecks on time it’s gonna be lit.

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  • [–] 32 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    Isn't that like the first rule of history, always pay your military?

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  • [–] 27 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    No, the first rule is always feed your military

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    Ohhh that's bad. No pay and no food makes it difficult to run a ship.

    Maybe. I would have thought there would have been brass pushed over the side just for that food but I don't know if that's happened.

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  • [–] 34 points 2 months ago (12 children)

    Ok chat, what the fuck is this?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago*

    Reminds me of frozen gyro I've purchased. Honestly spiced well and tastes good but usually you fry it up to be a bit browned on each side, and then you put a few slices in a pita with tzatziki and onion, cucumber, and tomato.

    On its own it's also fine, but basically just a meat / protein at that point.

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  • [–] 30 points 2 months ago

    My dad was on an aircraft carrier when he served. One of his favorite stories to tell was when his ship was riding out a hurricane and fishing trawlers couldn't get into port to unload their catch. The trawlers sold the ship for next to nothing tons of the biggest shrimp they had ever seen. It took 3-4 bites to eat each shrimp. The sailors stuffed themselves on shrimp for the next week.

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    [–] 25 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    The latest Chinese propaganda has been posting pictures of their aircraft carrier meals.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 months ago*

    As a non-american

    \c\downrighthilarious

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  • [–] 40 points 2 months ago (36 children)

    pro tip: stop fucking joining this shitshow.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (29 children)

    For many, joining the US military is the only way out of poverty, a path to citizenship, or a way to a higher education. Some others just are victims of propaganda, or just genuinely sadistic, but unfortunately most of the people joining the military are victims of a failed education and social security system designed to bring more troops into the meat grinder.

    EDIT: Holy moly. I do not condone US imperialism at all. I am not saying that people who fall into the poverty draft get a free pass either. What I AM saying is that the US war machine is a fucked system that results in endless atrocities abroad but unfortunately will only to continue unless we dismantle the institutions that blindly draw people to the machine so that these people who would otherwise be vulnerable can wake the fuck up and turn away from it. These systems include capitalism, propaganda, imperialism, jingoism, a failed education system, etc.. Chill out friends.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 months ago

    would you say the same for ICE? they also recruit from poor migrant communities because they're most desperate and the pay and perks are good - would you say they're justified in joining and terrorising the ones that didn't?

    and while I 100% agree that propaganda and the system failing them is the main reason driving that - we don't counter the propaganda by normalising the poor-to-terrorist pipeline as "well the system sucks but you gotta do what you gotta do" - there are red lines and if we could collectively resist them - we starve the system from being able to force people into the meat grinder

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago (27 children)

    Would it be okay, then, for me to rob, torture, and kill your family if it was the only way for me to get higher education (i.e. something that is not necessary to live)?
    What about the families these monsters kill that won't be able to receive higher education on account of being dead or kidnapped?

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  • [+] -7 points 2 months ago (26 children)
  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    Why "strawman"? They are literally saying that that is perfectly okay to do for USians against people elsewhere. Why can't you also say how it would be so good if you were on the receiving end of this poverty-alleviating programme?

    Also, again, what about the poverty and education of the families these soldiers kidnap, torture, and kill?

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (24 children)

    not a strawman. literally every role in the military is involved in the murder of children. every. single. role.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 months ago (23 children)

    And what about roles outside of the military? When was the last time you contributed to slavery or child exploitation with your purchases? How about your employer?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    You are equating purchasing things with directly participating in the most vile military on the planet.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    I hate to break it to you, but your consumption of unethical products is also direct participation in the unethical production of said products.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    Consumption of products is the furthest one can be from participation in such things in many cases, or not far off.
    Unlike working in a NATO military.

    Honestly ridiculous how you try to equate these things.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Consumption of products is the furthest one can be from participation in such things in many cases, or not far off.

    Completely disagree. There's an important caveat: Necessary consumption of products is the furthest one can be from participation. Most of the consumption done in the western world is not necessary.

    Honestly ridiculous how you try to equate these things.

    That's okay. I don't necessarily expect someone to condemn themselves.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Completely disagree. There’s an important caveat: Necessary consumption of products is the furthest one can be from participation.

    We already know that you pretend that buying a product made by NATO is just as bad as being a torturer in Abu Ghraib.

    Simply consuming things is, indeed, either the furthest one can be from relevant participation, or not far off. The fact that you keep equivocating that with going overseas to murder children simply betrays that you do not see people outside of NATO as people.

    Also, you even think that consumers of meat are more at fault for producing meat than the people involved in producing meat, which is extremely silly.

    That’s okay. I don’t necessarily expect someone to condemn themselves.

    Cute, especially considering that I do not live in "the western world" (i.e. the Imperial Core), and neither does most of the world whom you claim it's okay to invade. "It's just as bad to buy meat as it is to orchestrate Highways of Death", lol.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (17 children)

    two things can be true at once.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (16 children)

    Just wanted to make sure since people in this thread seem to be taking a holier-than-thou stance. As above:

    Would it be okay, then, for me to rob, torture, and kill your family if it was the only way for me to get higher education (i.e. something that is not necessary to live)? What about the families these monsters kill that won't be able to receive higher education on account of being dead or kidnapped?

    If we're talking about more than just service members who directly engage in combat and are including non-combat roles (cook, mail clerk), then the answer has to be yes.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (15 children)

    the cook is just as guilty as the sniper, yes. i agree.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 months ago (14 children)

    Which makes you also as guilty as the cook. Unless, of course, you live off the grid, homestead, and are entirely self-sufficient.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    my industry - firefighting and software engineering for healthcare is, particularly quite different than being a part of an organization that has a monopoly on violence. additionally, that same org has me living under capitalism, from birth. so try again with your reductio.

    the adults who volunteer to join that violent organization are certainly much more guilty than others who choose not to join.

    your attempt at this false equivalency is just trollish and serves to show exactly how much you enjoy the taste of uncle sam’s boot.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    And what of the firefighters and software engineers (and healthcare professionals) who just so happen to be doing those things in the military? You doing them in the civilian sector is somehow a morally superior choice? You as a firefighter are quite literally in the business of protecting the property of capitalists. You are just as much a protector of capitalism and the capitalist class as any person in the military. I'm not going to assume you're an American, but needless to say your involvement in the healthcare industry is arguably just as problematic as military service if you are.

    That doesn't even get into your consumption habits. Do you consume animals products? How about products that are constructed with exploited labor, even slaves? Child labor? How about the products you consume that are irresponsibly produced from an environmental perspective?

    But, hey, I'm glad you're able to live with the choices you've made. We all must. It's just a shame that you've deluded yourself into thinking you're somehow more innocent than others based on those same flawed choices.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    And what of the firefighters and software engineers (and healthcare professionals) who just so happen to be doing those things in the military?

    They are contributing to military tasks the goal of which is subjugation of non-white people. Programming avionics so that planes can bomb Iran, fighting fires on carriers, etc. is unambiguously evil.

    You doing them in the civilian sector is somehow a morally superior choice?

    If we exclude doing such things for NATO military and espionage organisations, then it almost always is, yes.

    You are just as much a protector of capitalism and the capitalist class as any person in the military

    Lol no. If you can't see the difference between stopping fires from killing civilians or destroying buildings/non-military equipment, and directly contributing to things like subjugating Iran or defending invaders of Iraq and Iran from retaliation, you need to go to primary school or something.

    your involvement in the healthcare industry is arguably just as problematic as military service if you are.

    How so?

    Do you consume animals products?

    This is probably the closest you have made to a compelling point. However, in this case you would have to attack the people involved in meat production first, rather than people who merely consume those products.

    Same goes for the other points in that paragraph.
    Also, you do have to contend with the fact that those people were enslaved because of NATO's military.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    In the sense that any task done in the military is contributing to a military goal, sure. I'll remind the Goodwill employee that they're contributing to military goals the next time I'm shopping there. (Whether you're aware of it or not, Goodwill runs a lot of the logistics operations for at least RTC Great Lakes.) By that same logic, however, pretty much everyone in capitalist societies are also contributing to the "subjugation of non-white people." There are measures that can be taken to reduce one's problematic footprints, though. I just find that most people prefer to cast stones at others instead.

    Firefighters are compelled to protect the private property of the capitalist class. I'm failing to see how the military is somehow directly responsible for the person I was originally responding to living under a capitalist system whereas they are not. Mind you, non-capitalist communities have firefighting and even militaries. Neither occupation is inherently capitalistic.

    Regarding the healthcare industry in the US, it's a profit-seeking venture. Anyone who participates in it voluntarily (e.g., doing software engineering for healthcare companies) is directly involved in one of America's most backwards sectors of the economy. It's a system where people are financially ruined when they're the most vulnerable or even denied treatment for the purpose of enriching the healthcare sector's capitalist class.

    Why would I have to attack the meat producers first? Few meat producers are producing meat for the sake of producing meat. They produce meat because there's a demand for it. It's simple really: no one wants meat, no one produces meat. If you mean to say that most people lack the moral fiber to make ethical decisions when there's an unethical choice they enjoy, then I agree. We collectively suck when it comes to being responsible individuals. Likewise with products produced using child labor and such. In some instances, all someone can afford is unethically produced products. Most people don't even bother to put in the effort, though. Sacrifices are hard, and no one wants to make them. It's an unfortunate reality.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    compelled to protect private property

    No. I’m compelled, by my own judgment and heart (as what i do is volunteer), to save lives and then protect property.

    also, a working class homeowner is not part of the capitalist class. they are part of the exploited class.

    a business owner, sure. know what my first priority is? searching for and removing the workers first.

    you have some reading to do, buddy. i might suggest “The Jungle” first.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Nice to meet a fellow volunteer on here. Of course, I also volunteer for the people. It is undeniably true that part of our responsibility is also the protection of private capital, though. That's all I was really making a point about.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    By that same logic, however, pretty much everyone in capitalist societies are also contributing to the “subjugation of non-white people.”

    Nowhere near to the same degree, however. Your attempts to equate these things is extention silly.

    I’m failing to see how the military is somehow directly responsible for the person I was originally responding to living under a capitalist system whereas they are not.

    Do you also fail to see how the USian soldiers are responsible for, for example, the tortures at Abu Ghraib? I guess you don't see that as any different from being a cashier in the US in terms of awfulness.

    Mind you, non-capitalist communities have firefighting and even militaries. Neither occupation is inherently capitalistic.

    However, non-capitalist societies of today are not responsible for the colonial subjugation of the Global South. Not sure why you are ripping them into this.

    Regarding the healthcare industry in the US, it’s a profit-seeking venture. Anyone who participates in it voluntarily (e.g., doing software engineering for healthcare companies) is directly involved in one of America’s most backwards sectors of the economy.

    Ok? Do they do anything comparable to bombing schoolchildren in Iran? What would be the good outcome of none of those people participating in the USian healthcare system?

    Why would I have to attack the meat producers first?

    The fact that you blame consumers of meat and the like - and not the producers, i.e. the people actually doing the bad thing - for the production of meat and similar things is also very silly.


    Also, do you agree that the rest of the world has a moral right to kill NATO's ss troopers, or do you think it would be great if I kidnapped, tortured and killed your family for money?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    So we agree that this is a matter of degree rather than kind. As for the degree of difference, I fail to see much of one between the non-combatant service member and, say, the average US citizen who pays no mind to how their lifestyle and choices impact the world.

    When you speak of the US military, you are speaking of an institution. It is an institution that you and I likely share similar grievances about. The difference is that I don't attribute moral condemnation on every person who just so happens to be in the military. Likewise with every person who just so happens to work for Amazon, Google, Walmart, etc. The cook serving on a military base is about as responsible for an atrocity that occurs in the middle east as you are responsible for whatever negative outcomes are associated with the way you earn and spend your money.

    Are you trying to ask what would be the good outcome of a massive labor strike in the US healthcare industry? Quite a lot of good could come from that. But, yes, profiting off the illness of children and sending their families into financial ruin is, once the scale is put into play, in my opinion, about as morally problematic as dropping bombs on children.

    I get the impression you're once again trying to excuse yourself of moral blame by saying the producers of animal products are significantly worse than the consumers. Much of the labor in animal "processing" facilities in the US comes from undocumented immigrants. Much of foreign meat comes from impoverished laborers or even slaves. Consumers of such products are directly funding those atrocities. And, yes, that also makes voters responsible for the atrocities that are perpetuated by their democratically elected governments.

    And no, I don't believe you have a moral right to be a terrorist.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    So we agree that this is a matter of degree rather than kind.

    This whole time you have been arguing, at best, that the degree doesn't matter (though, you did say once that consuming meat is worse than production, despite the fact that it's the production that is the problem), and that being a nurse in the private healthcare system in the US is exactly as bad as sniping children in Iraq.

    I fail to see much of one between the non-combatant service member and, say, the average US citizen who pays no mind to how their lifestyle and choices impact the world.

    One directly contributes to the goals of the most vile military in the world and can't be substituted by civilians, the other is usually as far removed from contributing to those goals as possible (with the consideration that people in NATO are generally forced to take part in NATO's economy, but are not forced to be in the military taken into account).

    The difference is that I don’t attribute moral condemnation on every person who just so happens to be in the military.

    Sure. Some actually do sabotage of the military, like Chelsea Manning.
    The vast majority don't.

    The cook serving on a military base is about as responsible for an atrocity that occurs in the middle east as you are responsible for whatever negative outcomes are associated with the way you earn and spend your money.

    Lol no. A military cook directly makes sure that the murderers and torturers do not go hungry and are in a perfect condition to murder and torture.

    Are you trying to ask what would be the good outcome of a massive labor strike in the US healthcare industry?

    No. I asked what would be the good outcome of there being no healthcare workers in the US. The soldiers striking was never in the picture.
    The benefits of there being no military in the US are clear and lack cons. The benefits of there being no healthcare workers in the US are dubious.

    I get the impression you’re once again trying to excuse yourself of moral blame by saying the producers of animal products are significantly worse than the consumers.

    The actual harm in this situation is done to the animals from whom the meat is made. This is done by the producers, rather than by the consumers. Not sure why you think that it's the other way around.

    And no, I don’t believe you have a moral right to be a terrorist.

    So, you agree, then, that becoming a USian terrorist for money is inexcusable, and that the rest of the world is in the right to defend itself from them however it sees fit?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    There is a massive difference between cooking meals for schoolchildren and making sure that military personnel can function to achieve their objectives of subjugating non-white people.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    For the average person in either role, both are just a job. You just happen to prefer one to another, personally. Further, public education is one of the most fascist institutions in democratic countries. Unless, of course, you somehow think it isn't fascist for the state to decide the curriculum that every child is forced to learn, segregate children based on age, and coerce them into obeying the whims of whatever state employee happens to be their teacher.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    For the average person in either role, both are just a job.

    We are not talking about their own perception of what they do.

    You just happen to prefer one to another, personally.

    What is word is that you do not prefer cooking meals for schoolchildren to making sure NATO's occasions, genocides and the like are completed.

    Unless, of course, you somehow think it isn’t fascist for the state to decide the curriculum that every child is forced to learn, segregate children based on age, ...

    Ah yes, education. What horror. Very comparable to killing children overseas. /s

    and coerce them into obeying the whims of whatever state employee happens to be their teacher.

    Obeying their whims, rather than actual instructions - yes. And such teachers are, indeed, bad and should be punished. Do you think otherwise?

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I do think the perception matters in these instances. Someone who is killing in combat may have the perception of protecting freedom and democracy, but they are still pulling the trigger. A mail clerk, by contrast, is just sorting mail. A nurse is just treating a patient. The big-picture contributions may never occur to the individual, be it aiding an unjust military operation or an unjust private industry.

    It's a testament to the success of the propaganda surrounding public schools that you have conflated the institution of public education with education simpliciter. Education needn't occur in an authoritarian classroom. As for the difference between whims and instructions, they're effectively the same. Teachers set the classroom rules. We have children requesting to use the restroom, even being denied such a "privilege." Who are you allowed to talk to and when? The teacher decides. Who can you sit next to? The teacher decides. Want to associate with someone in a different grade? Not permitted. Hungry? You can eat at the appointed time and no other. Etc. We somehow have accepted that school children ought to be treated like prisoners rather than free members of our society.

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    I do think the perception matters in these instances.

    Haha. No, the severity of the tortures, the killings and the like do not depend on if the shutzstaffel thugs think those are good things.

    It’s a testament to the success of the propaganda surrounding public schools that you have conflated the institution of public education with education simpliciter.

    As somebody who studies by themselves every day, I didn't. That's just how effective education is done at scale.

    As for the difference between whims and instructions, they’re effectively the same.

    They aren't. The range of things that a teacher can demand can and is bounded.

    We have children requesting to use the restroom, even being denied such a “privilege.”

    This is an understandable complaint.

    Who are you allowed to talk to and when? The teacher decides. Who can you sit next to? The teacher decides. ... Hungry? You can eat at the appointed time and no other.

    These complaints are silly. Do you think these are 'whims'?

    Want to associate with someone in a different grade? Not permitted.

    In every place where I studied, there were no such limitations, with some even studying together with children from other grades in the same classrooms.

    We somehow have accepted that school children ought to be treated like prisoners rather than free members of our society.

    Seems like a very personally-charged tangent, but ok.

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  • [+] 0 points 2 months ago (6 children)
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    service guarantees citizenship

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    No, it does not. Grew up watching the non-english news, every year you would see reports of people that joined the military with that promise from recruiters and were deported at the end of their service.

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    Meanwhile in the Finnish army we conscripts got pancakes, fish, meatballs, burgers, all kinds of decent food, and you were allowed to portion yourself so you could get quite full. It was on par if not slightly better than regular old school food.

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