Vegan, speaking gently and matter-of-factly: “Using animal’s bodies for producing consumable goods involves rape, imprisonment, torture and murder. Leftists are anti-exploitation and anti-capitalist, and using living bodies for profit entails that.”

Leftist, yelling in response: “StoP foRciNG yOUr beLiEfs On mE, vegan, veGaNisM iS a bouRgEOIs phIlOsopHy!”

Vegan to leftist: Hey you know that pig that you're eating part of probably died screaming in a gas chamber? Are you ok with that?

Leftist: omg stop being so aggressive don't you know there are reasons why I can't go vegan?

Also that leftist: You have florp installed on your computer? Don't you know that one of the developers of florp made some posts on twitter saying they support Israel? Do you like fascism? What is your problem?

Please make it make sense.

"we need to radically transform society"

"I agree, tried eating different?"

"omg too hard"

So much this.

It makes me wonder whether many “leftists” are just lib poseurs, who are only leftists when it comes to their immediate frustrations in the present. Like the type who “grow up,” earn a decent amount of money and abandon their values under the spell of a bigger paycheck. Or when the economy goes through a normal cyclical upswing, all of the sudden, capitalism is not so bad. Similar to 80s “yuppie” liberals. Then, they talk down to all the “lazy, unsuccessful people.”

Like, if you’re really down with the cause - what you out on your plate is a high modifiable behavior that is well within the realms of cost and feasibility for everyone. If you can say, “Hey, I’m cool with paying half my income in taxes to ensure a better society for all,” why can’t you make another simple anti-exploitation concession?

The excuses are wild. “Veganism isn’t possible for most under capitalism, it’s too expensive, it only becomes feasible under socialism.” WTF, you realize in a socialist world, if ridiculous demand for animal products is still a thing, then the means of production will still find a way to meet that demand?

I've met a lot. Some of them even write books lol. Check out gelderloos for example

the rich are for feeding to the plants

The "eating" is actually metaphorical. Just look at Elon Musk and think "I want him in my mouth"

Yeah, just fucking shoot him in the back of the skull and dispose the body responsibly in a mass grave with others like him

We'll let the utilitarian vegans eat them.

Doesn't look like they claimed any allies.

You can boil vegetables in beef tallow for the electrolytes

Well you could still eat plant based meats from the likes of impossible and beyond. You might say that it's not the same, but is that difference really worth supporting animal abuse? (and yes, you are supporting it by buying meat). It's not even the difference between a burger and no burger, it's between a burger and another burger that maybe tastes slightly different. I've never been able to understand that. Am I missing something?

...you do support the way we abuse animals for food though, you fund it. Like, intentionally.

I would never support abusing animals.

Absolutely supports abusing animals.

I totally get it! I'm a serial murderer and like, I don't want people to be hurt or dead but I just like murdering so much. At least I know what I am and can accept that 🥰

Yeah I feel the same way owning a diamond mine. I know I could improve conditions and to be honest they're pretty horrifying but I just really enjoy being able to buy whatever I want.

Nobody's perfect, at least I know what I am and can accept that.

If you knew what you were doing was immoral, and you kept doing it anyway for pleasure….

There is no moral way to use the bodies of animals for our personal consumption.

We can say nobody is perfect, so I’m going to murder some of the time, because I enjoy it.

It’s not nearly as impossible as you think to go vegan.

Yeah, maybe vegans should try less aggressive messaging

At least one person has been brave enough to read at least one argument as a result. Are you brave enough to watch how pigs are killed?

It's a post made to a vegan community, for other vegans to read. It's only function is, in fact, to make the poster feel good.

No one is going to further "the vegan cause" by posting to a vegan community on a fringe website and that was never the point.

I appreciate posts like this. The debates in the comments show people's beliefs are being challenged and it's reaching people who are at least willing to consider the argument instead of dismissing it out of hand. You can't change someone's mind without introducing doubt, and pointing out a double standard is a good approach. In contrast, a post with no objections is likely only reaching people already convinced.