I hate these “gangs” of kids on ATVs and motorbikes with no licenses. They completely F up traffic, pulling stunts, lunging at cars, and sometimes even wrecking and stopping traffic entirely. They’re like those biker tools that block intersections so the entire gang gets through or street takeovers.
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These aren't kids. The quad rider was a 27 year old man who "[tested] positive following a drugs test" and who also appears to have previously been convicted of possession of an offensive weapon in public. He was jailed for 15 months for this.
The judge described the gang:
travelling at speeds of 35mph*, weaving in and out of traffic, ignoring red lights, and travelling on the opposite carriageway at one stage. This was highly dangerous and posed a significant risk to the public. Many of those who were riding concealed their identity.
* The speed limit in built-up areas here is generally 30mph or 20mph
It's crazy that anyone is defending the riders when video shows them:
- riding on the wrong side of the road (in the UK we drive on the left)
- riding on the pavement
- riding without number plates
- so presumably these are not road-legal bikes
- so presumably the riders are not insured
- failing to stop for police
- hitting a pedestrian
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Sure, these guys were pricks but the police looked likely to kill someone over there.
Yeah that's what I see. Some asshole running into the road trying to hurt bikers and getting hit because he runs in front of one, to then start attacking one of the people he was trying to hurt. ACAB.
Sure acab, but this is not one of those situations. The bike riders here are assholes the lot of them. The quad bike had no reason to ride straight into a dude wearing a high vis.
Annoying bikers on fucking motorcycles.
Looks like it's a big problem on either side of the Atlantic.
I mean UK police carry no firearm and are held to much higher standards. And the driver of the atv literally ran someone over and didn't stop.
What kind of police DO you want to have?
You can argue for revolution and civil war in the UK because of fascist politics from both labor and tories, but then you're talking about armed soldiers not police.
EDIT: Sorry didn't see post I was replying to was talking about the bikers not the cops (edit?)
“Labor” sic That’s not the British spelling - are you an outsider looking in, sharing your perspective?
Lol, fucking Americans. Now, as we spell labour correctly, would you like to hear the opinion of a Canadian instead?
Yeah, please.
I forgot Canada had a Labour Party too. I know the Aussies yankified their party’s spelling, which is a shame; from my point of view.
They're talking about the annoying kids on bikes. Unless you're doing a Lemmy switcheroo and I missed it.
Motorcycles. And you either want to live in a civilized society or not. So on the one hand UK police are pretty great as far as police go, and absolutely have the right to stop motorized traffic for being "annoying" in a residential street. You absolutely do want to police shit like this. These are just bourgeois kids doing stupid dangerous stuff.
On the other hand there is the political stuff and increasing illegitimacy of the UK government. But I see nothing political here.
Seriously, what am I supposed to be upset about here? Traffic stops?
That doesn't justify trying to get them to crash and hurt themselves.
Is there any type of context available? Spike mat for bikes seems pretty much interchangeable with pulling a gun in terms of likely outcome for the target.
FYI, the spike strips are designed to minimise the chances of a crash after use. They don't burst the tires. Instead the spikes are hollow and designed to break off. This deflates the tire slowly, giving the driver a chance to adapt, but can no longer go fast.
Basically, they are far less likely to cause a crash than you seem to think.
Nah, not at those speeds. It seems police are after these kids for being a public nuisance rather than speeding.
EDIT; Ok, since people seem incapable of understanding the context of my answer: Justified or not, it is not interchangeable with pulling out a gun at those speeds. Y'alls reading comprehension sucks.
When you make posts with two statements, people tend to get lost in the meaning and focus only on one. This is why I never bring up the collection of stool samples I keep in my sock drawer.
I've noticed. I usually try to have the first part of anything I write act as a summary of a statement, as many people seem to only read a few words just enough to get angry enough to push the downvote button. This is how nuance is lost to headline-outrage. And there's no reason to limit yourself to just samples when you can go for a real full-scale collection.
...public nuisance rather than spending.
Kids out there causing trouble without even having the decency to stimulate the local economy.
Somehow given what I know of cops in that country I doubt that. Open to any evidence otherwise though
So the sane option is to try to pop their wheels and cause an accident, especially with TONS of kids right behind the lead ones?
They may be at low speeds, but imagine if Officer Porky managed to take down one of the first kids before that big section came through. That kid would have then been a road hazard and likely taken out more kids, hurting both the first and subsequent kids in the accident.
It really is too bad Porky was able to walk away after he got hit. Wish he would have gotten the injuries he was trying to inflict on the kids.
It’s actually really easy to not be a selfish piece of shit. Most people do it all the time. These shitty kids made their choices, and they weren’t good ones.
So the punishment for violating road rules is execution by cop? You're talking about attempted murder here.
No, we really aren’t. We are taking about a proportional force response. These people are willing to go speeding around on sidewalks and through red light intersections. They badly hurt people with that behavior. It’s not like the cop pulled a gun.
The only way I can see from your perspective is if you don’t understand how spike strips work. They don’t just pop and shred a fire, they are specifically engineered to slowly let the air out.
I’m a motorcyclist and you don’t have a clue.
Punctured tyres aren’t going to kill anyone at that speed.
Apparently motorcycles and ATVs will explode and take out a city block if they get a flat tire. Think of the children!
Idk what's this obsession with "kids". If they are old enough to drive, they're not a kid anymore. You can't use a deadly machine and call yourself a kid. Use big boy tools, act like a big boy, or else there should be big boy consequences.
…. There wouldn’t have been an accident. They would have rolled to a stop, or more likely, continued to move, but with a whole lot of rolling resistance.
but spike traps seem reasonable for a public nuisance?
The cops aren't choosing what speed they illegally ride at.
I'm not shooting you with my gun. I'm just pointing it in a random direction. If your body happens to be in the way of my bullets, that's your problem.
The person trained for high-speed driving is driving at a speed that untrained people claim is too fast for that person's ability in those circumstances while driving for work as an emergency worker?
Dunning-kruger is right.
You should be able to control a bike in a straight line with a flat tyre, especially at the speed this lot are going.
And falling off isn't as dangerous as you think.
Not likely to control a bike after it hits another that was laying in the street
Pretty dangerous to have one of your mates roll over you with their bike
The potential for bad outcomes through a domino effect here is pretty big
We don’t have the full story here, but going from what seems like “public nuisance” to “injury or death” seems like an unreasonable escalation to me.
Stop talking about shit you don't understand with confidence. Your statements are going to get someone who believes them hurt.
To anyone reading: Take it from anyone who actually rides over this idiocy. A flat motorcycle tire at any speed is dangerous and possibly deadly.
I ride and you’re wrong.
I’ve had a puncture at 130km/h and pulled over no problem.
And a lady fell thousands of feet with no parachute and lived. Will you advise others to make an attempt sans-chute?
Sounds like riding isn't for you if a puncture, which happens to thousands of motorcyclists without any issue beyond a flat tyre, scares you so much.
I didn't say flats scared me. I said it was irresponsible to make claims about a fall at 50 km an hour. Nonetheless 5 km an hour.
You claimed the spike strip presented a serious risk to their lives and you’re full of shit.
You have nothing to back up your claim that it was unreasonable to attempt to stop these morons before they wind up under a truck.
I can only hope they actually attend their fellow morons funeral when it inevitably happens.
No I didn't make that claim, that was another user.
I took issue wit the comment about 50km/h being too slow to hurt someone and then again when they doubled down in another comment about flats.
If you have 500,000 km under your ass then you know this was a stupid thing to say. So why are you stepping in? Just to argue with someone for fun?
A flat motorcycle tire at any speed is dangerous and possibly deadly.
Your comment is right there for us to read. Oh no that flat at 5km/h!
Are you huffing fucking glue or does your brain not understand threads/context? I was replying to a comment, not the video post.
Don't bother answering. I won't see it. Crackhead.
It sounds like you're a bad rider, to be honest. Do grass clippings also scare you?
None of this stuff scares me. Or I wouldn't be riding every day that I can for over three decades.
The problem is people saying stupid shit like 'you won't get hurt at 50km/h' that will get read by impressionable new/young bikers. But you know that already don't you? You just like to talk smack instead of reflecting on the dumb shit you say.
I can't believe you have 37 upvotes
Skill issue.
Not gonna comment on the choice of method for the intervention but I have a feeling this gang's members can probably be seen saying things like "immigrants fock up our country mate" and then go eat in an Indian restaurant.
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