Remember who you are....
A nation of immigrants!
Remember who you are....
A nation of immigrants!
I remember who I am. Not a fucking Nazi
I remember in the 1990s when I was fairly young, and I was having a discussion with other people, and I kept saying the Republican Party was a fascist party, and I remember one of the people in the discussion taking me aside afterward and telling me that I couldn't say that(not because it wasn't true, but) because people would get offended.
I remember after the September 11 attack, that they named the department for the country's security "The Department of Homeland Security" and I had extreme concerns about their intentions by naming it that. I could see what they were moving toward, even back then.
not because it wasn’t true, but because people would get offended.
I have a hypothesis that as society we're too polite. We don't tell people they're being assholes because that's uncomfortable, so they continue being assholes without appropriate social pressure.
My FiL intentionally takes advantage of this in people. His family try to give him the benefit of the doubt that he is just "unaware", but I have been in situations where 1) I point out his imposition on other people to him, 2) he continues to engage in said behavior, 3) I subsequently call him out on it publicly, and 4) he calls me disloyal.
Of course he's an evangelical MAGA voter with misogynist leanings.
Which disproves the idea above yours that simply being curt and telling people they’re being assholes or inconsiderate or wrong or evil doesn’t work. It doesn’t matter to them. Being ostracized doesn’t work. Imprisoning them doesn’t work.
But you can reduce their numbers by improving the situations that allowed their ideas to develop and spread or be preyed upon by bad actors.
If enough people are against him, he will relent. Social pressure and/ or ostracization does work on him. He won't resort to violence or direct confrontation to try to get away with his inconsiderate BS, but if he thinks
then he will (continue to) try to get away with it. He has no baseline conscientiousness of other people, even people he supposedly loves.
You’re describing narcissism and possibly borderline personality disorder
Well, perhaps! I wouldn't be surprised if he got an official diagnosis, but I'm an engineer, not a psychologist. So it won't be from me.
I was just trying to agree with the original commenter, because when I call him on his crap publicly, it keeps him more in line. His own relatives seem relieved when I'm around because I will force him to be a little more courteous (e.g., telling him to clean up items behind himself instead of allowing/expecting the women in his family to do it). Their non-confrontational culture just enables him.
Hot take:
This is why the French culture is the platonic ideal. The average French person is a feral chain smoking time bomb and any they have no time for bullshit. Cutting in line in England will earn you a lot of judgemental stares, same thing in France will get you yelled at or stabbed depending on how the weather is.
The French government would love to be a lot fashier than it is, but it fears its citizens with good reason.
The next slogan dropping from the Department of Labor:
work makes you free
Very fitting when half the country is already like a forced labor camp
"We've always been at war with Canada"
Oh, shit! Are they renaming the DoD “The Department of Peace” now?
Naw, that sounds too communist.
It does but arbeit macht frei was a nazi slogan and tbh it goes well for the bootstraps folks: "you just need to work harder for a better life" essentially.
Annoyingly, Nazis stole each one of their slogans. “Arbeit macht frei” is from the 1873 novel by Lorenz Diefenbach, in which gamblers and fraudsters find the path to virtue through labour, alluding to John 8:31–32.
We sure as fuck don't have one people or one heritage. We're a melting pot and the fascists are just the burnt crust around the edge of the pot that should be scrubbed the fuck off.
At my old job, there was some back and forth about some feature detail. The product lady messaged me and said "do you have a few minutes to talk about the final solution?"
I was like, "uhh you mean the sorting filter on the projects page? Yes, so long as we don't call it the final solution"
I don't know if she knows that phrase already has a history
This lead me asking a bunch of coworkers if they knew. About half were familiar.
I can't imagine forgetting that phrase from school over 2 decades ago. I get people not knowing lots of the details, but missing that, work will set you free.. etc etc. That's really bad.
Keep in mind English might not be someone's first language. They might have learned the phrase in school in their language, or even the German original, but not whatever is the accepted English translation.
Or she didn't learn that specific phrase. I don't recall ever hearing it in school.
With the current media landscape I believe it's malicious intent rather than stupidity.
It's simliar to how an old artist's music being played on a pop station is a leading indicator that artist is going to put out a new album. The intended end users of the Nazi Germany phrases may not know/care what they're saying, but the people seeding it into the media are literally just following the playbook for what worked last time.
My bingo card has a spot on it for seeing unironic back-to-back commericials for gold sellers (who didn't get the memo) and reminders that the US has nationalized all its gold (again).
Im a process chemist and we often actually form solutions at the end of a chemical process that are unfortunately deemed "final solutions". There's not really a way around it since it's the most technically accurate way to describe what we're dealing with
Edit: and I always find it uncomfortable to say
Come on now. It was reasonable for someone to say the final solution in your scenario. It is totally reasonable to call out these things especially when it is purposefully being used like the OP. However, your scenario sounds like you are making a situation about something it isn't at all.
I accept that she wasn't referencing the historical meaning on purpose. She likely wasn't a classic Nazi trying to dog whistle. However, not recognizing the phrase is concerning. Especially given the current rise of Nazi-compatible ideology in power.
If she didn't mean it that way, I don't see how it's concerning. A lot of people display swastikas with no intention of referring to Nazis. The words "final" and "solution" aren't owned by Nazi Germany into perpetuity.
Not sure if trolling, but: I feel like people show know relevant, recent, history.
Not knowing a specific phrase isn't exactly unheard of. And a person using it to mean something else isn't a Nazi.
Not sure if you're trolling or just a fucking idiot.
I didn't say they were a Nazi. And I thought you might be trolling because " A lot of people display swastikas with no intention of referring to Nazis." sounds risible.
Well yes, the swastika was used way before Nazi time and while they definitely sullied it, I am not sure denying others the use for a completely different meaning is the best way forward.
I feel really uncomfortable when a black service worker calls me "boss".
Idk why...I think there was a book that we listened to in like 7th grade that was narrated by LeVar Burton where there was a character that was, I think, a freed slave, and he was travelling with some young abolitionist white kid, and he'd always call the kid Boss, and it made the kid like really uncomfortable, and that must've rubbed off on me.
Was it The Cay?
I was in a meeting planning a large corporate event. A chef was there discussing food options and how they were having trouble finding a kosher meal provider but they have a work around until they find a final solution. Me and one other person both looked up and made eye contact, but no one else reacted. I had to pull the chef aside and ask him not to use that phrase when speaking about kosher meals.
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