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[–] 50 points 2 months ago*

Imagine if other professions were allowed to use the logic police can in court.

"Your honor, I acknowledge that I did run over that entire kindergarten class with my big rig, but if I had swerved there would have been a slightly elevated risk of me rolling over and crashing, so I had to. Truck driver safety has to come first, after all."

"Well, since no court has ruled that this exact situation is a violation of anyone's rights, you are legally immune!"

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  • [–] 48 points 2 months ago (24 children)

    IIRC, automobile accidents are the number one cause of death for on duty police deaths. Oftentimes their own fault not following policy during pursuits.

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  • [–] [S] 34 points 2 months ago (14 children)

    Or doing the pursuits at all, for that matter.

    In a society where the government is surveiling every other person and have cameras everywhere, the old "if we don't get our perp now he's gone forever" trope is bullshit.

    As much as they make for entertaining TV and make cops feel all macho and accomplished, car chases are COMPLETELY unnecessary reckless endangerment in almost all cases.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

    This came up in a brilliant way in a manga I was reading.

    Two combat pros are facing off in a back alley, the aggressor trying to “test” their victim. The loser protagonist, who’s useless in a fight, hears the altercation from his store job, and rushes out to help his friend. He throws a paint bomb, used by stores to identify robbers, at the assailant.

    The assailant runs, and spends the rest of the issue in a panic about how to conceal the paint; since they’d very much been relying on the option of being able to sneak out through crowds.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    less pronouns, more well-defined references please. I had to read that last paragraph three times before I understood who you meant by "They".

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    ...So Flock cams need laser projectors, and they can just mark criminals with a big red X as they drive around. Maybe a different color for whatever they're wanted for. And then let the vigilanteism fly!

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    You'd think it's from dangerous assignment-based activities but it's not. It's from doing stupid shit in traffic stops and getting hit by innocent drivers. It's what happens when superficial authority meets 3 tons of metal at a mile a minute.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    They initiate traffic stops based on infractions that had no impact on safety at all, like rolling through a stop sign at an intersection with no other cars, and cause a far more dangerous situation with a roadside stop.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    From what I understand most police agencies have a no-pursuit policy. It's generally more hazardous to chase the person than it is to just phone ahead in the direction that the person's driving and have a blockade setup or just show up at their house

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  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    just phone ahead in the direction that the person’s driving and have a blockade setup

    Generally illegal as of 1989's Bowyer v. Inyo and impractical regardless; you vastly overestimate how many patrol cars are in a given area.

    or just show up at their house

    Assuming the driver is the registered owner, their address is up to date, and they change their mind about fleeing. I guess now that Flock is getting popular that's increasingly less of a problem, though.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (3 children)

    that was a good read, but, I don't think the term "generally illegal" will apply to it. The only thing that supreme court case provided that that a road block can lead to a seizure, which triggers the fourth amendment protections. That doesn't outlaw the roadblock, or does it mean it will be a violation of the fourth amendment as generally speaking seizure under the fourth amendment has leniency that allows for probable cause and a reasonable approach. It means that road blocks need to be looked at when done and decided if it was a reasonable method of stopping them.

    In the specific case listed, it was passed down to the lower court again to decide whether the roadblock was a reasonable use of force or not, so it was never an argument about whether the roadblock was allowed to be done, but whether or not how they implemented the roadblock was reasonable due to the fact it was constructed around a corner and contained lights that were positioned in a way that would blind drivers coming in.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    You have a different interpretation of that than the lawyer that taught me about that case, so I think it's safe to say you're wrong.

    But congratulations on getting into the weeds about 1/3 of my comment while ignoring the other 2/3.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (1 child)

    I don't know why you are coming in as hot as you are. You mentioned a case that I decided to spend two hours last night looking into because it made me curious as I have seen roadblocks constantly. I felt I needed to respond that your supporting evidence didn't support your claim. For the reasons already provided. If you care to look it up yourself (I recommend looking at the actual supreme court hearing first) instead of relying on the "my girlfriend is in another state" reasoning, feel free. It's clear by your aggression you aren't open for discussion on this and as such I'm moving on.

    P.S I didn't refute your claim on the flock cameras because I partially agree with you. But good job owning me I guess? I hope your day ends up getting better.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Because it's annoying to see a topic you know about circlejerked by a bunch of people speculating in ignorance while patting each other on the back despite being wrong.

    The great tragedy of the internet is that every person thinks their opinion has equal weight to experts because they have an equal voice. You're doing the same "do your own research" thing as anti-vax/mask/science people, just in a different flavor.

    If a (large collection of) doctor(s) tell me a vaccine is safe but Pika@sh.itjust.works insists it's not and insists I should review the clinical data myself to find out why, I'm just going to roll my eyes.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    ‘Not following policy’ means they don’t wear their seatbelts. Cops are so fucking stupid.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    Yeah safety last, no PPE for me toxic masculinity.

    I remember huge pushback from officers when ballistic vests were first introduced. I was in a police science class and instructors had so many reasons; too hot, too heavy so can't chase down perps, will impede quickly exiting vehicle (same with seat belts), will give officers false sense of security and are more dangerous. Saw the same in media countrywide.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    IIRC, automobile accidents are the number one cause of death for on duty police deaths.

    It was neck-and-neck with gun deaths, one outpacing the other and then swapping places, until CoViD.

    Oftentimes their own fault not following policy during pursuits.

    What makes you say that?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Reading news articles and following links to research cited

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (4 children)

    It's a shame you can't bring yourself to share them with the class.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (3 children)

    What percent of gun deaths involved painting the ceiling? Real shame is how many police stigmatize getting help with mental health.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah being a cop is dangerous but not like being a pizza delivery guy dangerous

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I've had at least three jobs that are always listed as more dangerous than a cop, but I've never gone around demanding respect because "I risk my life with every shift."

    How risky is a cop's job, really? They have the full force of the entire government on their side, and an arsenal on their waist, and an even bigger arsenal in their vehicle. With a quick click on the radio, and they have a nearly unlimited army who will come to their aid, all armed to the teeth as well, and willing to back any cockamamie story he tells.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 months ago

    How risky is a cop’s job, really? They have the full force of the entire government on their side, and an arsenal on their waist, and an even bigger arsenal in their vehicle. With a quick click on the radio, and they have a nearly unlimited army who will come to their aid, all armed to the teeth as well, and willing to back any cockamamie story he tells.

    You kinda answer your own question; those are the exact reasons why it's not that dangerous these days.

    That aside, nobody backing you up can teleporter, so cops act like they're on their own until backup arrives - because they are.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago

    Delivery workers should be in there too.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Maybe loggers just need a service pistol.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    People at gas stations are at more danger then police.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    It's more like that they are the danger to everyone else.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Fail to land correctly a commercial plane. Either:

    • 200 to 400 people die, including you (passenger plane)
    • You and your crew die, and almost all of the cargo is wasted (cargo plane)
    • You and your crew still die, but also a public figure and their agents/family/friends/cronies (private jet).

    Fortunately landing a plane is only done by the most trained experts.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Flying the plane is statistically safest way of travel. Dying as a pilot is far less likely than dying in car accident. Even if you count all the passangers, flying is still safer than driving a car.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Uhh, isn’t the presidency marked by the highest mortality rate amongst professions in the US?

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  • [–] [S] 28 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Can't really compare a position that only 45 people have had over a 250 year period with regular jobs, though.

    Besides, the last time a president died in office, my boomer dad was 12 years old. The last time a logfighter died on the job was probably some time this month if not this week.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    I think it might be a typo, but I’m absolutely referring to lumberjacks as “log fighters” from now on.

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  • [–] [S] 25 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    Nah, I did that shit on purpose, inspired by this comment on gender neutral job titles on the original post from !flippanarchy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 😁

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Saturation divers is pretty high too.

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  • The station master/signalmen/signallers 💀

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (4 children)

    What the hell are "garage men"? 😆

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    The people who go around in big trucks to collect the garbage. Also known as garbage collectors, bin men, sanitation workers, etc.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Have you tried "US Presidents"? With a 10% chance of getting assassinated on the job?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Those are amateur numbers. Trump will raise them

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I think Trump might win the award for the most assassinated US President.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    I don’t think anyone thinks Police Officer is the most dangerous job - even cops.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago* (7 children)

    they use that as the excuse to get away with killing people who are no threat to them.

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  • [–] -5 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    Which one said it was the most dangerous job?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    police officers, the ones depicted as the show boat in 15th+ place in the meme.

    when ever a five year old black kid is mag dumped on, it’s always the same excuse, he may not have a gun, but the police have uniquely dangerous jobs, and their protection is elevated over those they serve, and we can only judge them by there own mindset of the risks, and not the facts of the situation.

    acab

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  • [–] -3 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Just write "I made it up" next time; it'll save time.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (3 children)

    i don’t see the guy biting the medal and shooting champaign everywhere in the meme saying he got first place. and yet he is acting like he has special privilege. police are given unholy latitude for wanton murder based on their perceived danger, and not their actual danger. literally used as a defense against even just indictment for murder. Nurses don’t get special murder privileges. and the only reason they are even that high is because of their own stupidity regarding road safety. though no one claimed they were very bright either

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  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

    i don’t see the guy biting the medal and shooting champaign everywhere in the meme saying he got first place.

    You're moving the goal posts to a new, pedantic position, but fair enough:

    Who's the woman in the meme declaring it's the most dangerous job? I see you struggle with basic English so maybe you missed the "MOST DANGEROUS JOB(S)" on the top and bottom.

    Nurses don’t get special murder privileges.

    Nurses act under the authority of doctors, who do get special murder privileges. Medical malpractice is the third leading cause of death in the United States, killing around 250,000 people per year, according to a Johns Hopkins study.

    But before you say "any time doctors kill someone it's by mistake, but any time cops kill someone it's murder," I hope you chew on that bias for a minute, and then I hope you discover that medical malpractice deaths follow the same racial bias trends that law enforcement killings do.

    In other words: Yes, they do get special privileges to murder people.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    an embarrassing deflection.

    first, your comparison with doctors is a false equivalency, and includes everything from medication defects, and insurance related posturing. second doctors face exorbitantly high malpractice suits. and yet still face jail for negligent murder. police do not with out riots and world wide protests. no other profession gets the protection of specialized legal doctrines and unions who organize the blue flu.

    you then declare that because the medical system has a racial bias that police get to have special murder privilege. and yet forgot to tie that privilege to a need, so doctors get to murder minorities, so police should get to as well! OPPS!

    … enforcement by necessity get a monopoly on violence, except it’s abundantly clear that the police can not be trusted with that power, ESPECIALLY with out actual oversite. with great power comes great responsibility, not a shield from it.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago*

    Your entire comment is very clearly bad faith and poorly-written.

    The vast majority of it is a straw man and you would get an F if it was a 1st grade English writing test, indicating either that you struggle with basic (English) writing or you just can't be bothered to devote effort to this topic.

    I don't think I need to waste anyone's time further by responding to it.

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  • [+] -21 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (24 children)

    wtf are pilots doing on that list? it has to be one of the safest professions, unless you count military ones and even then i am not sure it applies.

    garbage men? are they fighting radioactive mutated rats, or what? fishermen? do they get drunk, fall into water and die, or what? truckers? what? why?

    this comics is garbage.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 months ago (11 children)

    Just because something is outside of your personal knowledge or experience doesn't mean it's wrong. You have access to the internet with plenty of information available on these topics. Strange to just assume the information is entirely incorrect without bothering to look into it.

    Here is a random article that comes up and links to a full database on the topic: https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2023/03/02/most-dangerous-jobs-america-database/11264064002/

    You can certainly argue with data collection and such, but most related lists are pretty similar.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Pilot surprised me as well. Thank you for the link. Here is the pilot section:

    2. Commercial pilots

    This does not include pilots of passenger planes for major airlines like you might use to travel for work or vacation. These folks navigate planes or helicopters to carry cargo and, in less common and less hazardous roles, lead air tours or navigate air ambulances. Nearly all deaths and injuries were caused by catastrophic crashes, which is why the nonfatal injury rate for the profession ranked low, at 297th.

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  • [–] -5 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    Just because something is outside of your personal knowledge or experience doesn’t mean it’s wrong.

    just because you saw cool picture on the internet does not mean you have personal knowledge. i actually do have some knowledge, which is why i reacted.

    in 2025, there were 300056 (three hundred thousand) pilots with either cpl or atpl - these are pilots legally allowed to accept reward for piloting a plane.

    so it would seem that the tabloid story in usa today drawing some conclusion out of 37k "workers" - roughly 8 times smaller number, has very loose connection to reality.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    I openly said you can take issue with the data collection, but the link makes clear they're talking about specific commercial pilots. My understanding is that the cpl and atpl do not expire. I have no idea how many of those people are in the workforce anymore, or in aviation at all, much less the specific segment in question.

    Even if you took that stat and spread it over all of aviation it'd still be more than cops, but just for fun here's an article using data from the bureau of labor and statistics. They happen to link pilots with flight engineers, but the pattern still holds: https://usafacts.org/articles/how-many-police-officers-die-in-the-line-of-duty/

    You can disagree with whatever data collection or collation you want, but acting like the meme is misleading seems disingenuous, especially when you consider the brevity of the format.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    I openly said you can take issue with the data collection

    thank you for your permission. my issue is more with studying small subset of the data carefully chosen to support your theory and then presenting it as if it applied to the whole group.

    but the link makes clear

    the link makes it anything but clear. it ultimately admits that the sample is manipulated, but doesn't say how and why.

    Even if you took that stat and spread it over all of aviation it’d still be more than cops

    it would be more than "no data"? 😂

    https://hostux.pics/images/2026/08/25/Screenshot-from-2026-08-25-14-27-0984d2800ddf65be81.png

    one number manipulated, one non-existent, but the conclusion is one is bigger than the other?

    acting like the meme is misleading seems disingenuous, especially when you consider the brevity of the format.

    the "meme" is tabloid trash. brevity of the format is not an excuse, no one forced the author to present misleading data.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago* (3 children)

    10800 forestry workers in the us in 2024: https://www.bls.gov/ooh/farming-fishing-and-forestry/forest-and-conservation-workers.htm 53 deaths (https://www.bls.gov/news.release/cfoi.t03.htm) = a death rate of about .5%, 1 in 200.

    826,800 police workers in the us in 2024: https://www.bls.gov/ooh/protective-service/police-and-detectives.htm

    132 deaths (https://www.bls.gov/news.release/cfoi.t03.htm) = a death rate of about .02%, less than 1 in 2,000.

    Edit math and spelling, but check for yourself. Still the difference in magnitude is obvious and always has been.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    cool, but that doesn't really address my complain about pilots. i don't trust these numbers.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    It is on the same website. Not always the same year.

    Working pilots: https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/cwc/flying-too-high-workers-fatalities-in-the-aeronautics-field.pdf

    80.5 per 100k/ year

    Police: https://www.bls.gov/iif/factsheets/fatal-occupational-injuries-police-2018.htm

    13.7 per 100k/year

    No matter what year you find stats for, pilots outweigh police for death risk. Prove me wrong.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    ok, fair. it seems i may have underestimated the number of the bush pilots, but i still insist that the presentation is confusing and it presents "specific subset of the pilots" as "pilots".

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Only guess on pilots is heat attack.

    But Truckers? Come on that's a pretty easy one to figure out. Traffic deaths are probably the majority (most cop deaths are traffic deaths, not getting shot). Truckers also work around large moving trucks, and forklifts that have a massive solid steel counterweight on the back that will not notice when is grinds your pelvis into hamburger against the nearest warehouse column or concrete loading dock.

    Garbage men also spend a lot of time on the road(traffic deaths) and are constantly working around equipment that also won't notice, even a little bit, when they tear off a limb or crush a whole body.

    Don't be an ass, try thinking sometime.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago

    Come on that’s a pretty easy one to figure out

    yeah, it is pretty easy to speculate. verifying that speculation is another story, and "funny" image comparing manipulated data to non-existent ones is not the best way to do it.

    Don’t be an ass, try thinking sometime.

    same to you.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    Pilots are actually way more likely to die then you think. You're just thinking of commercial airlines. But the smaller planes go down a lot more often.

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  • [+] -6 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    small planes go down often. that is because these are hobby pilots who don't have enough training, practice, and oversight. but we are talking about JOBS here and professional pilots are one of the best trained, constantly retrained and scrutinized groups in the world.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (7 children)

    There are a ton of JOBS involving those little tiny planes.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    yes, ton of jobs involve small plane. but when there is an accident of small plane, it is usually the hobby pilot for the reasons stated.

    sure, there are some bush pilots in america, but the data in that usa today article make no sense. they compare some deaths to a sample of 37k pilots. there are about 300k holders of cpl or atpl in usa. i don't trust that article at all, it is tabloid bullshit.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    I have no idea what USA Today article you're talking about. Or why you continue to just spout nonsense. There's tons of crashes involving things from tours to surveys to crop dusting to flight instructors, that's way more common you might think, even small transport. Pilot death is very high compared to other jobs. This is an incontrovertible fact.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago* (4 children)

    I have no idea what USA Today article you’re talking about.

    i am talking about the article that was linked in this thread as the source of the data.

    This is an incontrovertible fact.

    of course it is, darling. hey, there is johny and jimmy, both are pilots and jimmy died last year. the mortality among pilots skyrocketed into 50%!

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

    I don't see any article linked by op and I don't see any article linked by you so I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. If you're having a conversation with a different individual who linked an article then talk about it with them. If you want to talk about with me then you should link it yourself.

    The second half your comment is so brain dead I'm not even going to dignify it with a response.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    If you want to talk (...) with me

    this one is easy. i don't. you started talking to me. and i don't feel it was very useful.

    The second half your comment is so brain dead I’m not even going to dignify it with a response.

    don't worry you don't get it. stay in school and maybe one day...

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