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[–] 59 points 2 months ago (9 children)

But will just adding AI alone be enough? I propose we also add "blockchain", "the cloud" and "e-commerce" to ticket pricing in order to truly synergize profit dynamics.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    if you buy an nft of your boarding pass you get priority boarding

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Wtf is the point of that? Its the same plane, isn't leaving any time sooner if I board earlier.

    Its not like a cruise ship where boarding an hour earlier means I can jump in pool while others are still getting on board.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Because people are morons and will pay an extra few hundred just to get into the tube first.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Or your bag will go into the overhead, and you'll be the first off the plane, especially when you have a tight connection. That 1A is getting to your next flight. That 38F is f'ed.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    That sounds like a problem with the system, it sounds as if the entire reason for all of it is to milk as much as they can.

    If you have a connecting flight you should get priority deboarding for free.

    Also using the 1A may get you on a list /s

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    People don’t seem to know how to use the overhead bins or take too many carryons. I’ve had to rearrange people’s suitcases for them, or put mine several seats away, or have the flight attendant take mine. It’s really annoying.

    There’s also impatience. The later I board the more likely I am to be standing there a long time behind people futzing around taking their time to get situated regardless of how many of us are waiting.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago

    That's thinking outside the box for low hanging fruit of the ecosystem. I want you to free some bandwidth and take the lead on this - really move the needle. Envision co-sourcing when needed and focus on the core competency required. We can circle back on a strategic fit, rightsizing strategy to avoid negative growth. Start building consensus for a results-driven best practices matrix structure.

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  • [–] 165 points 2 months ago (43 children)

    Heads up, there's a VERY UNETHICAL service out there that works around some of the VERY GOOD AND BENEFICIAL things the airlines do. You should avoid going to it because it ROBS these poor struggling airlines of VALIDLY EARNED profits.

    Including a link so everyone can add it to their blocked sites lists. UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD YOU GO TO THIS MONEY SAVING SITE AND PARTICIPATE IN THEIR ANTI-CORPORATIST SCHEMES.
    https://skiplagged.com/

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  • [–] 41 points 2 months ago (35 children)

    I thought I read years ago that airlines responded to Skiplagged by penalizing people who didn't complete every leg of the trip they booked. I'm not sure why they would care.

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  • [–] 34 points 2 months ago (10 children)

    Rumor has it this is the case, but I haven't found any tangible "I used this service and was punished for it" stories.

    ....uh, WHICH IS TERRIBLE, BIG AIRLINES' RIGHTS ARE BEING INFRINGED. THIS IS A MATTER OF FREEDOM TO AVOID THIS SERVICE.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    What they do is cancel your entire trip. So if you don't have flights with the same airline on the way back....eh

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Yep, and if you have a rewards or membership number, they just will ban you. If it happens once not a big deal, couple times even, start doing it regularly though, you will get caught.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    What kind of idiot would have a rewards or membership account in 2026?

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago

    Depends, the free bags, the upgrades, everything else on it can be worth it if you travel or fly enough, but obviously a lot of people don't think about it and are just spending extra for something they can't fully utilize.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    I haven't paid for a plane ticket since 2012. Made a huge hobby of credit card churning. Probably flew 200k miles on them. Otherwise I'd be skiplagging as the next best option.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Ive heard of people making this happen, but I literally don't know how y'all achieve more than like a single flight or hotel stay per year without already having 200k+ income (i.e. could pay for the trip on your own, just don't want to pay for it).

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I’m pretty sure they’re also making more money for the airlines than if they just bought the plane tickets, but it’s slightly procedurally obfuscated, so people are like “omg free tickets”

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    The airlines do fine; they sell miles/points to banks who actually have money. Almost all US carriers are worth little or negative but their rewards programs have large valuations.

    If you pay your bills in full and don't pay interest you are beating the system, and it is "OMG free flights"/hotels/cash. You do give away tons of purchase info but you're giving that away anyway unless you're using cash.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (18 children)

    I thought I read years ago that airlines responded to Skiplagged by penalizing people who didn’t complete every leg of the trip they booked. I’m not sure why they would care.

    They care because the real cost of air travel is not equaled everywhere on each mile flown. If the actual costs of flying to many small regional locations was reflected in the cost of the ticket, the ticket would be so absurdly high no one would every flight to that location, and the location would lose critical flight services for the community.

    The solution many of those airlines used was to consolidate the majority of the flight into a hub using larger planes which are cheaper to operate per-passenger, and then use much smaller planes from the hub to the remote location charging the passenger the equivalent of a reasonable cost of a ticket for all hops along the way.

    What Skiplagging as doing was essentially using the subsidized discount rate provided for the small regional destinations, but consumed by those not going to those places that needed subsidies on their flights going to major hubs. So not only was the airline losing money for each passenger not paying the normal fare to the hub airport, but also showing lower passenger volume to the small regional destinations increasing the cost of flying passengers that wanted to go their even more.

    TLDR; Skiplagging screws small cities with low passenger volume risking their ability to maintain flight service at all to their towns.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Sounds like something an airline would say.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago

    I get being naturally suspicious especially if we're talking about messaging that may match some from large companies, but don't let language that sounds that way turn off your brain to critical thinking. If you interact in a system (such as buying a ticket as an airline passenger) you can have an affect on the system. Understand your actions to personally enrich yourself may have consequences on other people just trying to fly somewhere. Don't be blinded by big business hate to justify screwing other passengers using the airlines.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (15 children)

    Few of these places need to be flown to. They should have trains if they're worried about efficiency.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    I'm not sure I've ever read a more subtle or concise way to say "fuck you" to all of smaller city America simultaneously.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (6 children)

    my air and weather shouldn't have to suffer so you can keep your "small town lifestyle", fuck your luxury bullshit founded on the externality of my life. I'm sorry but I'm sick of subsidizing these obscenely decadent parasites who would probably kill me and mount my blue stained scalp on their wall.

    I don't mind green energy powered trains. That's cheap, it doesn't intrude on my life any, and gets you where you're going fast clean safe. I'm just against flying them out on a jet.

    If they can't manage the 200 year old technology 9f a rail link, perhaps they shouldn't, barring extreme geography, be considered part of my society worthy of my care?

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago* (5 children)

    my air and weather shouldn’t have to suffer so you can keep your “small town lifestyle”, fuck your luxury bullshit founded on the externality of my life.

    I have no idea what image you have of these smaller airports supporting smaller cities and their surrounding rural populous, but I assure you most are far away from "luxury". Lets take one small city in the middle of Kansas called Salina. Its a city of 47,000 people. The median income is $61,783 and the per capita income of Salina is $34,886 and has a 13% poverty rate. The next closest airport to Salina is 80 miles away. They're not living there just to keep their "small town lifestyle". Its where they grow the food we both eat.

    It has a total of 4 small plane flights a day into its airport:

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    Salina is also a major agricultural hub supporting 650 farms for total of over 360,000 acres growing grains and livestock.

    I don’t mind green energy powered trains. That’s cheap, it doesn’t intrude on my life any, and gets you where you’re going fast clean safe. I’m just against flying them out on a jet.

    Fast rail service versus flying? Have you ever been on a long haul Amtrak passenger rail train? Amtrak is not fast. Salina doesn't have an Amtrak station. The closest one is 90 miles away in Newton Kansas. An Amtrak train trip form Newton Kansas to Chicago takes 12 to 14 hours and the service can experience delays making it even longer. A flight (1 of only 4 flights they have) from Selina to Chicago takes 2 hours and 5 minutes.

    I’m sorry but I’m sick of subsidizing these obscenely decadent parasites who would probably kill me and mount my blue stained scalp on their wall.

    I bet the people of Salina would laugh their asses off at you considering them decadent parasites. You're happy to eat the food they produce, but you'd put their their 4 flights a day into their city at risk so you personally could save $50 on a ticket to Chicago by skiplagging?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago* (4 children)

    I have been on Amtrak trains. They're fine. The drinks are bottom shelf and overpriced, the cocktails are a little basic, the seats don't all recline, but they're fine.

    Another advantage: you can move agricultural products on train! Livestock, even! Sounds like a pretty good case for having trains, and Amtrak uses the same rail standards as freight, not that Amtrak is the only option for having a train.

    Why do they have an airport but no train station? Train stations can be pretty minimal. They're not hard to build. Maybe they should get on that. Especially if they're so poor. Trains really seem like the way to go. This is a bizzaire state of affairs to defend.

    I'm vegan and mostly eat fruit recently BTW. I probably don't eat anything from there, and I paid for it if I did. Those vile chuds did not compensate me for the ecological damage of their bizzaire transportation decisions.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (1 child)

    So the thing about trains is they need tracks. Building tracks involves a lot of carbon output. You need to make steel, you need concrete, you need lumber, you need gravel. You need to ship all of these things to wherever you want to build the tracks. You need to buy the land that you’re going to build the tracks on. If you want high speed rail, the tracks have to be very straight and have very specific routes. If you want to electrify the train, you need even more metal for wires.

    All that infrastructure, versus just an airport. It would take a lot of math to convince me one is better than the other, here. Once we have electric planes (the tech is mature, you can ride zero emissions planes in Canada right now, we’re just waiting on FAA approval in the USA), I think the balance will be clearly in their favor.

    I love trains, but I think there’s room for both trains and planes in an environmentalist future.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (1 child)

    I have been on Amtrak trains. They’re fine.

    I've been on Amtrak too and have firsthand experience with them also. The goalpost wasn't if they were "fine" or not. I was quite happy to use it, but was not in a hurry to get to my destination. Your ascertain was they are fast. For longhaul travel (which is what the flight replaces), Amtrak is not fast.

    Why do they have an airport but no train station? Trains really seem like the way to go. This is a bizzaire state of affairs to defend.

    Because of lots of the infrastructure, rail capacity, rolling stock availability that makes a passenger rail line isn't viable to be self sustaining for that small a population without subsidies, and you're already given them the finger on anything that costs you something.

    I probably don’t eat anything from there, and I paid for it if I did. Those vile chuds did not compensate me for the ecological damage of their bizzaire transportation decisions.

    This is a strange level of hate for people you've never met just trying to live their lives. Brother, you need some socialism in your life and empathy for your fellow man. We're in this together.

    I’m vegan and mostly eat fruit recently BTW.

    Ahh, okay. Thank you for this critical information. I have a MUCH better understanding of your positions now. Thank your for conversing up to now. Have a great day.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    without subsidies

    They already get those. Money is whatever, climate is a bigger deal.

    And it seems like they already need to move a lot of freight. You're really attached to that airport. Have you tried telling it about your feelings? Might be willing to fuckyou. You never know til you ask.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (6 children)

    I completely agree that "major cities" should have trains, but look at Alaska and tell me how many places would be remotely hospitable to trains or their tracks?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    Switzerland and Japan too. Some places trains just can't work. You got a point I guess.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    both of those places have way too many people so overcoming the geographic challenge makes sense

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    No, dude, I said you were right. Like THE mountains, just entirely in THE mountains. Or the mountainy islands? Doing trains there is silly and stupid And impractical. Just doesn't make sense some places.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Alaska has a really interesting rail system that was built during the gold rush specifically to get people into remote parts of the state that were otherwise almost completely inaccessible at the time.

    There's tons of remote villages that don't have trains still mind you, but my point is that if there's a will there's a way. Right now airlines and fuel are subsidized and encouraged by the govt to keep costs down, which relieves development demand for rail. Flip the incentives and rail could theoretically take off in the USA; but that requires politicians with stones and a will to do good instead of... Whatever they are right now.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (1 child)

    Ironically, parts of Alaska have pretty decent passenger train access. It’s mostly for tourists, but still. Better than most of the USA.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Railroad

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    I used it a long time ago (like 2017) and saved me some good money, but I also did not use my skymiles account just in case.

    I felt like it got less effective at finding the types of flights like the one I took and stopped trying.

    It's definitely a bit of a pain because you gotta book two one-way flights

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    Airlines can take some measures, but most of them can be worked around. Don't take checked luggage so it doesn't end up in the wrong destination. Book one way each time because they can cancel your return trip. They can go legal on you but only if you really overdo it.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

    Thanks for the tip. We'll see if it bares out.

    Do get the sense that these third-party sites are going to become an increased necessity, as data-scrappers and trackers try to peg the price of a flight to the credit card limit of the buyer.

    But... idk, I'm not seeing anything on this site that I can't find by directly querying individual airlines. (Like so many other budget airline calculators) there's no inclusion of Southwest on the list. And if the odd deal is inevitably just going to be through JetBlue anyway? Why not shop direct?

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I think Southwest is moving to a hub and spoke model, but historically they haven't used it. Skip lagging seems to mostly rely on a "I want to travel to the hub, so buy a cheaper ticket to a different spoke and jump off at hub" methodology.

    Which is to say, Southwest may just not be "vulnerable" to this atm.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    The third party sites will just start getting the max rate, which would effectively eliminate them. Airlines (at least in the US) aren't making money off flights any longer anyways, it's all off credit cards. Delta is more of a bank than an airline.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    The third party sites will just start getting the max rate, which would effectively eliminate them.

    I mean, if they haven't figured out how to game the system, presumably. Even then, if I'm also getting the max rate, it's a push.

    Idk. These systems always love to overpromise on both ends - big profits for investors, big savings for customers. It reads like a fairy tale coming and going.

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  • [–] 44 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Delta just lost me as a lifelong customer. They used to be my automatic #1 choice because they had good service for a reasonable price.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    When was Delta cheap? I live near a fortress hub and it’s $500+ to fly anywhere. Maybe I was one of the 25% pricing test

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Recently too. Delta was 200 bucks hub to hub. Had family at the other hub so went semi frequently. Checked the other day and it was 600 fucking dollars. Hell no I'm not doing that.

    Of course their idea is to raise prices even more! That'll get people to fly more!

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  • [–] 44 points 2 months ago

    CEO: oh fuck oh fuck claude, quick make a lot of money for my airline, nothing is off the table, GO!

    Claude: well we'd want to investigate a two-pronged approach where we cut costs where possible and at the a same time, raise prices in this market.

    CEO: that sounds wonderful, please draft a press release and post it to our social media account.

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  • [–] 38 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Mother fucker. I felt evil doing this in roller coaster tycoon, and they weren't even real people. Wtf...

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  • [–] 34 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

    The FTC is warning retailers not to use private consumer data to raise prices, but the Federal Trade Commission Act expressly excludes “air carriers and foreign air carriers” from the Commission’s Section 5 authority over unfair or deceptive practices.

    bro, whut?

    AI will identify a funeral traveler or stranded passenger and charge more.

    The argument here is that AI will improve price discrimination (and therefore total revenue)

    There's a whole lot of other words in the article claiming that this "actually can lower ticket costs for some consumers!" and "AI will increase productivity!" but it's all bullshit. Every single person that's been forced to work with AI already knows it doesn't do shit right, and their only example of offering a lower fare is to a "leisure traveler that might otherwise stay home." Oh, OK, so a rich asshole that travels for fun?

    FUCK THIS BULLSHIT AND FUCK DELTA

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Here’s a “fun” semi-not relevant fact. Movie theaters were excluded from playing OT in the Fair Labor Act in the US.

    They were able to lobby congress when it was drafted and said they couldn’t afford it. Most people who work there are part time and it’s fine, but assistant managers and other full-time non-salaried positions get screwed.

    Source: I was an assistant manager at Regal Theaters in the mid-late 2000s. I did not get OT. I made something like $6/hr.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    I worked at a movie theater for my first ever job. I lied about my age to get it, I was 14. It was a great job, working the concession stand. I got to drink mad slushies, and all the pretzel bites that I could sneak. Got a movie poster, can't even remember which one, and some discounted tickets. Made some friends, it was awesome.

    But yeah my manager and the guy doing all the projector work were just, 100% not happy 😅 I guess now I know why

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    I mean at the same time, if it's possible that regular people who actually shop around are shown lower fares and business travelers paid for by the company are shown higher fares, I'm all for that sort of subsidization, as unlikely as it is to be the reality

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    It never works that way. People who shop around are shown the same fares as usual and the business are shown new higher fares... Then the businesses raise their costs for everything, since their expenses are higher. Eventually, it feels okay to raise the base level fares too.

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  • [–] 33 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    I am in Kona, Hawaii. I am waiting for my flight to Los Angeles, connecting to Denver. I sit there and see they are about to board the direct flight to Denver. There are maybe 100 people there, so the plane is half empty. I jump to the airline's site to see how much it would cost to switch flights. Only carry-on, so it is doable.

    They would make me pay the same as the entire trip Denver - Kona and back just to get on the direct flight, that is half empty. Notice that if I went on this flight, they could theoretically sell the seats on the other two flights, so they'd rather lose money than let me get home early.

    There is something deeply wrong with current Capitalism.

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  • [–] 66 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Or if we had a functional federal government we could just make this practice completely illegal, and then pass privacy laws while we're at it.

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  • [–] 54 points 2 months ago (10 children)

    Understood.

    Never fly Delta.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    Problem is, they're all going to do it at some point. Its clear this type of shit is becoming the norm with every. single. corporation.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    But if we all abandon Delta and they get screwed, it'll restore some much-deserved fear to the other airlines.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    It won't. First and best thing you can do is cancel any credit card you have with them. But people are suckers for those bonuses. Rember, Delta and all of the big US airlines are bigger banks now than actual airlines.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    For as long as airlines have existed they have all used any data they have to find the most they can get each customer to pay, they already do it based on things like what day of the week your flight is, the time of day you buy your ticket, etc. if ai can help with this every airline is going to use it.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    After the flight has taken off, stand up and shout ‘hey everybody. I paid $NNN for a round trip ticket from X to Y. What did everyone else pay?’. That will start a discussion and piss off the airline and some customers.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 months ago

    At least they won’t collaborate with ICE to ratfuck you against your Constitutional rights.

    Oh wait

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  • [–] 26 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    Delta will use AI to discriminate against people based some secretive conditions.

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