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[–] 154 points 2 months ago (14 children)

That's a 6 lane road. You must be perpetually on steroids to think that would be normal.

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  • [–] 103 points 2 months ago (13 children)

    Stroad, it's a stroad. It's why I hate North America.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Stroad, n. A road on steroids

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  • [–] 34 points 2 months ago

    Streets are intended for stops. Homes, driveways, shops. Low speed. Walkable.

    Roads are intended for travel. There should be very few turnoffs, no surprise entrances, etc. Roads are intended to get you onto streets. Generally medium to high speeds.

    Stroads combine the worst of both to make death traps, accidents, and make walking difficult, uncomfortable, or impossible.

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  • [+] -38 points 2 months ago* (10 children)

    A left turn lane, a right turn, and a through lane is normal? Anything else allows endless backups. Pedestrians prevent cars from turning right and left, and oncoming prevents cars from turning left, and than no one can go straight either.

    It’s usually 2 lanes each way only 100m or so before the intersection and it widens to this configuration. A single lane road still usually has one type of turning lane at all intersection as well.

    What are you even complaining about?

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  • [–] 23 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motonormativity

    It isn't normal to have six lanes (>80% of available space) to be exclusively for vehicles. I mean, it is normal in North America but it really shouldn't be. The problem is two of those lanes could be a bicycle path with a tram line to allow for a lot more throughput while creating space for people to walk around and loiter which then provides increased opportunity for local business' to create sales and boost the local economy. This would also have a knock-on effect of decreasing congestion (backups) because when there are other, viable transportation options, more people will choose not to drive. With less traffic, local trades and shipping companies will also experience greater productivity with less time spent idling, which also means less air pollution which in turn reduces strain on the medical system. Not to mention all the money saved by people not buying gas, insurance, doing maintenance, etc. (which can then be put into other industries instead of being tied up in transportation).

    With stroads like in the OP, all potential customers just go right past to strip malls outside the urban centre that are essentially only accessible by driving. If they do stop at places along a stroad like this they usually park, do whatever it is they need to do, then leave asap because it's not a nice place to be with all the traffic noise an noxious gasses. With the intersection in the OP specifically, one can imagine a sort of town square where people can sit with their family and have dinner or whatever else. Instead, it's a few acres of asphalt that raises the local temperature by a few degrees while creating a massive obstacle for pedestrians, especially if they have to cross diagonally. The heat especially makes it a really shitty place to walk through and can even be dangerous for elders or people with weakened respiratory systems. These facts, and the almost non-existent pedestrian infrastructure creates a negative feedback loop where more and more people are using cars to get around because of how awful it is to walk anywhere leading to more focus on vehicle infrastructure, and more people driving cars.

    Using only personal vehicles to get anywhere is not a scalable transportation solution and greatly hampers economic growth outside of specific industries (that are usually related to vehicles). By providing other transportation options to people by using land that would 'normally' be used for parking or right/left turns (especially intersections), more economic opportunity is created, business' that rely on transportation (shipping, delivery, plumbers, electricians, etc.) will become more efficient as traffic is reduced and people that live in the area will become healthier.

    I mean, overall it's just good for the economy to provide more options and not pave the entire place with asphalt.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago

    This is is about pedestrians having to cross all 6 lanes at that spot while cars rush past. I don't care how good it is against congestion.

    Next you're gonna tell me they should ignore the friendly button, walk 100m and cross where it's "only" 4 lanes anymore.

    What are you even complaining about?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stroad#Disadvantages

    There's also some very nice YT videos explaining the problem and better solutions.

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  • [–] 29 points 2 months ago*

    A left turn lane, a right turn, and a through lane is normal?

    No. No it's not. That's a design for a major artery, not for every single street with shops on it. If you grew up in the United States, and haven't traveled, I'm afraid to tell you that you've never seen good road infrastructure in your life.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago

    Why would you need three incoming lanes, though? Three outgoing makes sense temporarily, but you only need a single incoming lane if you're going to go back down to two total, and the OP has three incoming.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    No, it should not be normal. In fact it is not normal in almost any city outside NA. While we still have cars in cities (which we categorically should not), we must at the very least make sure there is no more than one lane in each direction, including most intersections. "Endless backups" are unavoidable with cars in any case because of a combination of basic geometry and induced demand. We should instead optimize for the safety & speed of other road users, literally all of which are more efficient than car drivers.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I see three right hand lanes there (as in, the side of the road closest to the camera has three lanes for a single direction of traffic), which means that it's 6 lanes by default and widens to somewhere between 7 and 9 at the intersection, depending on turn lane configuration. That is unless you want to assume an unbalanced configuration where there are three lanes in one direction and only two lanes in the other, which frankly I consider unlikely.

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  • [+] -6 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    I said there was 3 lanes on each side?

    A right turn, a left turn, and a through lane.

    Those 3 close lanes would merge back into 2 100m from the intersection. It allows free flowing traffic. It allows a through lane, a lane for vehicles to turn right into as well.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    This is what you describe:

    This is how i think the intersection on the image looks like:

    The difference seems small, but the amount of lanes after cars crossing the street is a big deal.

    | < | ^ | > |

    If the outer lanes are only for traffic turning left or right, at the other side of the interchange there should only be one lane left. That is not how this interchange looks to me.

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  • [–] 113 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    What's with the assumption that the pedestrian getting to their destination is less important than all the drivers? If a bunch of people get held up a long time for a smaller number of people, blame the city planners.

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  • [–] 36 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Oh you mean like a bus full of people sitting behind a 1995 camary?

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  • [–] 17 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Yeah, if the busses are used a lot they should get their own lanes and other special considerations.

    As long as I'm adding another comment, I should mention that it's usually not the city planners fault. It's interest groups leaning on elected officials to lean on the city planners, who would design safe and efficient cities if left to their own devices.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    You've got it backwards. Give them their own lane and priority at signals etc. Then they will get used a lot.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    More realistically they have to work in parallel. The NIMBYs will easily destroy a bus service that inconveniences all the drivers if nobody is riding it yet.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    Not to mention the fact that to cross to the opposite corner, a pedestrian often has to press two buttons and wait for two sets of light changes. Drivers only have to wait more than one when there are too many cars.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    I've always found that really stupid. Just have two buttons, one for the diagonal and one for the crossing. And if you press the button for the diagonal, it stops all lanes of traffic so you can cross diagonally. Like, you can't tell me it would take less time having to stop the lights twice for you to cross one way and then cross the other, then it would be to just stop all the lanes of traffic momentarily while you cross diagonally.

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  • [–] 205 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    Oh hey I recognize that street and that guy. He's a free-stater nutjob who has at least one criminal investigation against him

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    by calling for child labor to be legalized, for the Civil Rights Act to be repealed, and for the Guantanamo Bay detention camp to be reopened "so that Anthony Fauci and every governor that locked their state down can be sent there, never again to be allowed inside of the United States"

    After holding up a sign "MAGA = Socialist" at an appearance of Donald Trump, Kauffman later endorsed Trump, calling the Libertarian nominee, Chase Oliver, a "gay race communist."

    Yikes.

    Kauffman was arrested in April 2026 and charged with disorderly conduct and obstructing government administration following a traffic collision in a New Hampshire parking lot. Kauffman reportedly drove into another car and began fighting several people. Kauffman also made racist comments, telling a bystander to "Go back to Africa!" Kauffman's family members reportedly dragged him from the parking lot into a nearby store. Kauffman defended his conduct in the incident, writing “Low IQ schizophrenic Africans who scream at kids in parking lots should be deported from New Hampshire. We shouldn’t punish decent men who stand up to them."

    Double yikes.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Is this Concord? I feel like I’ve driven through here a million times but can’t place it.

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  • [–] 93 points 2 months ago

    Making ~100 cars wait ~30 secs

    bud ask me if i give a fuck.

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  • [–] 73 points 2 months ago*

    At 800k impressions, assuming 10 seconds per view, this guy wasted about 90 days with his dogshit take

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  • [–] 66 points 2 months ago (13 children)

    I don't understand what he wants the pedestrian to do. Not cross at all? Wait until there's no traffic?

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  • [–] 32 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Clearly, the pedestrian should get a car, and OP just happens to work at a used car lot.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    I see people press the button and wait when there's clearly no traffic.

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  • [–] 53 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    Raises a good point. So we should destroy those cars to make way for trams.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago* (3 children)

    Trams that never brake because of the collective loss of efficiency that might happen. It's like the trolley problem except there's 50 people on the trolley and the amount of money lost by them being collectively late for work is worth the loss of life.

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  • [–] 42 points 2 months ago

    I mean he has a blue check so he's a professional idiot

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  • [–] 40 points 2 months ago*

    They'll just arrive 30 seconds later at the next red light where they still have to wait for the same 5 phases

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  • [–] 39 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    That's why I no longer stop at red lights. Thats just theft of life. My car also works just fine on either side of the road; limiting it to just one is imprisonment. /s

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  • [–] 37 points 2 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 35 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    If it's not, I've been given a new mission from up on high.

    "Press ye every walk signal, both ways, on every single street ye walk on. Though ye may be turning right at that corner and not even crossing that that intersection, still press ye the buttons."

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago

    Oh cmon don't do that. Make liberal use of the button when you're actually crossing obviously, but don't waste everyone else's time if you're not crossing (and emissions, cars require more energy to accelerate than to cruise, especially combustion engine cars).

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  • [–] 31 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Thousands of walk-button Hitlers out there committing one Holocaust of presses every 90 minutes and NO TRIBUNALS???! Make it make sense

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  • [+] -21 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    You joke, but that's exactly the kind of rhetoric that's getting increasingly common on Lemmy. "You're basically a Nazi supporter" for using an app one time 10 years ago where the developer of that app "was caught" giving an upvote to some other social media personality who was recently filmed having lunch at Chickfila, which is known to donate to anti-LGBTQIABLMDEI+ causes.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    If someone calls you a nazi supporter while you don't feel you are, either you are one but you don't believe so or you are not one. I'm going to guess you are the second category, in which case there is no reason to care they call you a nazi-supporter. Especially if it is FORMATTED with RANDOM capitals and exclamation MARKS!!

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  • [–] 31 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Just for you, Jeff, I'm pushing every single walk button I see, especially when I'm not crossing the road.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Thank you kind stranger. It makes me smile every time i arrive at a crosswalk, nobody around, and the light is already green.

    It's a pedestrian version of drivers parking on the side walks as a courtesy to other drivers as to not block the road.

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  • [–] 29 points 2 months ago

    i'd like to see it the other way around, drivers have to get out and run over to press the beg button. At least they will be getting some exercise.

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  • [–] 56 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    While the dude who pressed the button witnessed 100 able, adult people sitting in a polluting metal box instead of walking, cycling or taking public transport.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    A polluting metal death machine. I've had 3 acquaintances die from being hit by some driver, and in at least 2 of those cases, the driver was younger than 25 (which is the age when your brain finishes maturing and you get better impulse control).

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    That 25 number is just the age they stopped that study at, not some magical number where everyone is now officially mature. The human brain continues developing through your life.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I would love to do those instead of driving to work. Walking would take 14 hours, biking 4 hours, and the closest public transport I can get on is the same distance drive to work.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    The kind of person that will whine if I don't press the button and cross the street.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    I don't understand, isn't this the button you press if you want to cross? Are you not supposed to press the button?

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  • [–] 27 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    In America pressing that button is considered a government handout. You're supposed to cross the street using common sense and determination. Real men don't even look to check when they cross the street because they have God on their side.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago

    They’re saying the one person walking is being selfish because of how many more people in cars are being inconvenienced. The argument only makes sense if you ignore how we got here. It ignores how inconvenient cars have made getting around for people who actually live in the places they’re passing through and how the number of pedestrians is thus artificially low; it ignores that the only reason signals are necessary is because of how absolutely shitty and inconsiderate drivers are compared to pedestrians and cyclists; it’s only counting one person per car which is lower than the actual U.S. average of 1.5 people, but it’s unsurprising that this person considers a 5 passenger vehicle a perfectly reasonable mode of transportation for 100 individuals to be driving all by their lonesome, and unsurprising they don’t think about people who are using them differently.

    In short, you’re looking at an asshole who has never even thought about their own opinion, let alone anyone else’s.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 months ago

    If it's not satire, I'd love to see his reaction when someone presses the button then realises it's clear and they didn't need to and jaywalks 😅

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  • [–] 48 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    These idiots exist

    The type who fetishise "the grind" and all that other toxic bullshit

    Not exclusive to 'Murica, but over-represented in their "society"

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  • [–] 47 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    The confusion I feel as a European about this post.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I have no idea what is the supposed message of the “author”. Don’t cross the street?

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