Trump has suggested steam catapults every year since 2017, saying digital systems are too ‘complicated’

After nearly a decade of loudly complaining about the fact that modern US aircraft carriers use electromagnetic systems to launch fighter jets instead of steam-powered catapults, Donald Trump has directed the Pentagon to redesign a new aircraft carrier to replace the modern system with the old-fashioned catapults he prefers.

Trump signed a national security memorandum on Thursday directing the defense secretary, Pete Hegseth, and the acting navy secretary, Hung Cao, to make the change he has had his heart set on since at least 2017, when he first described his idea to Time magazine.

The memorandum gives the Pentagon leaders 60 days to come up with “a plan on the required measures to replace the Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch System and Advanced Weapons Elevators with steam and hydraulic systems for the construction of” the USS Doris Miller, a Ford-class aircraft carrier, which is already two years behind schedule.

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[–] 139 points 2 months ago (3 children)

He’s got a pool company that can do it?

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  • [–] 110 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Which one of his friends sells steam systems?

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  • [–] 18 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    his friends

    You must be the type that truly believes the stripper loves you

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  • [–] 79 points 2 months ago (12 children)

    The issue between the two systems is isolation. In the old C-13 series if one track needed repair, you have to shut steam off to that track. The rest can keep going. In the EMALS there's just the one centralize power architecture, so if a track has to go down, it takes the whole thing down with it.

    Few really want to return to steam. It requires a lot of the ship to house special high pressure equipment and requires more maintenance overall to keep it running. Additionally, a lot of the drones designed need the precise control that the EMALS provides to not break apart. But it's hard to point out all the various tooling that has to go on behind the scenes when one track goes down with steam, when the whole effing thing with EMALS has to go down and no launching happens for hours.

    And that's ultimately what happens, the metrics that are being used are getting aircraft into the air, not overall downtime or cost to operate. And EMALS is still struggling to hit the numbers it has to hit and likely won't hit them till around 2030. Every time it goes down, every zero aircrafts it gets pulls that metric down hard.

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  • [–] 47 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    You'd think that an electric system should allow for relatively easy isolation – isolating electric circuits from each other with breakers is hardly new technology. Is this lack of isolation a design flaw of EMALS or is there an actual physical reason why it couldn't be designed with independently powerable tracks?

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  • [–] 32 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Looks like they've already issued a contract to fix it so it would appear it's entirely possible and someone just fucked up the requirements/design first time around.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago

    You'd think the United States would take great care when designing their main tools for global power projection. And you'd probably be right; I can imagine that countless hours were invested into determining where the parts get built and which senators get to politically benefit from that. Technological details don't really matter; at worst you can just turn flaws into lucrative followup contracts for companies in the stock portfolios of top politicians.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago

    As the other person mentioned, they're looking to fix the "shortcomings" of the current system. Happens in government projects that corners get cut and that short-term "fixes" ends up having long-term "issues".

    That said, dropping the whole thing to go back to steam because of corners being cut is a royally stupid idea. But I mean we are talking about a guy who decided to just level an entire wing of the White House before anything to replace it was actually thought out and approved.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    I’m wondering if they mean that the points of failure are overall harder to isolate? Like, I don’t know… can the steam system work if the ship looses power? That would be a level of isolation that I imagine EMALS can’t do. But then I’d wonder, what if each track had its own generator? Oh… hey, just use steam generators. Problem solved, Trump won’t tell the difference,

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    It's so simple to solve though, just have the track squirt up a bit of fog machine smoke each time it runs and tell him it's steam powered again. What is he going to do, go check? Just lie, that's our culture now, just lie about it.

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  • [–] 51 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    This motherfucker has no clue how magnets work.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    The same dumb motherfucker who wanted to nuke a hurricane and also extended a hurricane path with a Sharpe because NOAA wouldn't entertain his valuable input on hurricane path.....of course a guy like that is vexed by magnets

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  • [–] 21 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I'm vaguely recalling a press conference where Trump suggested that magnets can be deactivated by putting it water.

    Is anyone else remembering this?

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  • [–] 42 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Next: why do we even need the planes; we can directly catapult stones on the enemy! Wonder why nobody ever thought about it

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  • [–] 24 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Just wait until he finds out about trebuchets.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Sharp sticks were part of the world's arsenal for thousands of not millions of years!

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Not only part of the arsenal. In a lot of times and places throughout history, they've been your best option against most things (though generally this is only when you have the sufficient manpower to make them work; for 1v1 matchups, swords are usually better)

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  • [–] 33 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    This idiot thinks he is an expert on everything. More people need to tell the baby NO.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Tell him No? Is that what you think the primary issue is, here? That his governing style needs more restraint?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago*

    Well... Yeah, kinda at a base level. If the law actually did its job and told him 'no' when he wanted to avoid prison, or even told him no to a million other illegal things he did, it'd be a lot better I think

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  • [–] 32 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    So they're using electric motors and he wants steam engines?

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  • [–] 31 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I can only imagine the hard facepalming going on in the Navy right now.

    How many more before this government collapses, as it should? It's truly an emperor-no-clothes situation.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    This moron is confounded by magnets and windmills. He is one of the dumbest (did you know there's a 'b' in dumb? Most people don't you know) people in American history.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    He is a dumbass micromanager. The president shouldn't be involved at this level of technology development period.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Unless a contractor bribed him to install the steam system.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Use the electromagnetic launcher just also add a tube that shoots out a stream of hot steam as it launches a plane so his dumb ass can brag about how he built a steam launcher.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I mean, China was bragging they made a bus a year ago. They called it a trackless train or some shit.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    Y'know it's usually the other way around, ya know folks reinventing the train but shittier and calling it a car or bus. Weirdly refreshing. Also trackless trains have existed since the 1800s with steam tractors, there was a nuclear powered equivalent in the 50s, and I'm pretty sure I've heard of something similar being used in Iraq and Syria back in the 30s where they just hooked up multiple trailers to a pair of modified trucks to move goods to places without rail.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    The change there was that it could use both tracks and roads, allowing it more transit flexibility

    The innovation wasn't as much technical as it was logistical

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    This is a brilliant work-around. It'll save a ton of R&D money and won't take nearly the time and $ that a full retrofit would, all while pacifying the Orange Diaper Baby until the next dumbass idea comes along. How would you like a no-bid contract for the job?

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  • [–] 28 points 2 months ago

    Join me in some wild speculation about this aircraft carrier which is already behind schedule:

    The ship, named for Messman Second Class Doris Miller, is the first aircraft carrier named for both an enlisted sailor and an African American.[9] The ship will be the second to honor Miller, who received the Navy Cross for his actions during the attack on Pearl Harbor; the first ship was USS Miller (FF-1091).[10] It is currently the only Gerald R. Ford-class carrier to be named after a person who was not a former president.

    The president's changes will slow things down. Now why would he want to slow that aircraft carrier down?

    “The future Trump-class battleship – the USS Defiant – will be the largest, deadliest and most versatile and best-looking warship anywhere on the world’s oceans,” Phelan said...

    “The U.S. Navy will lead the design, along with me, because I’m a very aesthetic person,” Trump said.

    -- Trump Unveils New Battleship Class

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  • [–] 27 points 2 months ago

    Russia sabotaging the US's military again. It's all hegseth does but trump is such a well trained stooge at this point that advancing russia's agenda is like second nature to him.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 months ago*

    And even with this, the US Navy isn't going back in time anywhere as far or as fast as the US Department Of Health which has already reached the 18th century under a leadership that denies that vaccines work.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 months ago

    “Donald Trump should stick to what he knows best – ballrooms, bankruptcy, and bullshit.”

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  • [–] 23 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    The steam revolution is here finally! What will he think of next? Steam trains?

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  • [–] 22 points 2 months ago

    The world will yield to US might when these are installed.

    Trump is putting out Aladeen vibes...

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  • [–] 20 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I can only imagine he really cares about this because he's invested in the company that makes the steam-powered systems.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 months ago

    Steam? Idk. Sounds pretty woke to me.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 months ago

    And they can use clean coal to generate the steam!

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    What we'll probably hear from him next is that he prefers steam gauges over glass cockpits and that all aircraft, civilian or military, must be retrofitted with the former. And biplanes, the Pentagon must start buying and using them. Everybody knows (except for Communists) that two wings are better than one.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago

    I think it's more like "bring back whatever I watched on film between 1955-1990 as that's the last time the world felt familiar". Steam catapults from Top Gun, TriStar jet because triples are best, PanAm airlines because the stewardesses had miniskirts and cleavage. Fuck it, someone call Howard Hughes while we're at it

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I wonder if it's physically possible to build a supersonic biplane...

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    I suppose it would be technically possible, the issue would be that the moment you start to turn the aircraft, the air turbulence generated by the upper wing would rip the lower wing off. This is a problem even at lower speeds which is why double decked wing designs stop being made.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    This is so obviously irrational that I'm surprised that his cabinet hasn't removed him for incompetence just for this. The man is a dotard.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago

    What's wrong with rubber bands?

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  • [–] 25 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    The inevitable lunacy of your garden variety dictator. Dictate ALL the things, my whims are more important than reality.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I can't wait until trump orders the aircraft carrier to be made capable of dive-bombing.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Because it’s electric?

    Nevermind the electronic valves and electronic systems that control the steam, it just can’t be electric where it counts. This is the stupidest president ever.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago

    Because it’s electric?

    No, because it has magnets.

    Trump is notoriously afraid of magnets. It upsets him that they would put a magnet on something that's supposed to float on the sea, and he worries about them sinking with the magnets still on them. I read through one of his rants on the topic, verbatim. The guy is stupid. Very stupid indeed. And senile.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    The man really does not understand that electricity is the purest and highest form of energy there is.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Basic physics concepts are quite considerably beyond him. Understanding that fire is hot just about maxes out his mental capacity.

    Remember when we used to laugh at George Bush, he looks like an intellectual juggernaut next to trump.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Stable genius. We should require the automobile manufacturers to revert back to steam power too. Think of it!

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago

    Good, less American fighters being able to be launched means a safer world

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Have they finished turning the California water faucet 37 degrees towards Canada yet? Or reopening Alcatraz? How many of these crackhead ideas go anywhere?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Well his latest scheme appears to be to give Greenland a bunch of expensive oil drilling equipment. He genuinely seems to believe that if they just start drilling for oil no one's going to stop them.

    I've met flat earthers with better critical thinking skills than this idiot.

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    [–] 10 points 2 months ago

    montyburnsbangingfistondesk.gif

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago*

    After this and reviving the idea of battleships (which will make them again fat targets for kamikaze rubber boats), betcha the bastard will want fucking outsized wonder weapons.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    …and trebuchet missile launchers!!

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