Someone I live with insists on calling me "bro" and "dude", despite my repeated pleas for cessation, citing ideolect as a defence.

I get that "bro" and "dude" are part of their vocabulary, but it hurts. Am I in the wrong here?

P.S. Is this the right community for this kind of question?

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[–] 38 points 3 months ago (1 child)

Personally, I call even my mother "bro", but if anyone expressed that they didn't like being called it, I would make a concerted effort not to call them that. It's not hard to try in good faith.

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  • [–] 35 points 2 months ago

    I am a gen-x cis male who has been skateboarding and surfing since the early 1980's. The words "bro" and "dude" are completely genderless to me. I call my female friends and my wife "dude" all the time (bro less so as that might be a generational divide there). That said, if you, or anybody for that matter, told me that the term is harmful to them, I would makr every effort to avoid using it with them. I might slip up from time to time due to muscle memory, but if I did, I would apologize.

    This is, at the very least, common courtesy. Your roommate is in the wrong and you are not being rude.

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  • [–] 22 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    No, you're allowed to be reffered to how you want

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    Absolutely not wrong! We all deserve a minimum level of our preferences in address being respected.

    Now, is it true that dude in specific, and bro to a small extent, aren't about gender per se? Sure. Dude was originally gender neutral in the surfer lingo. And brospeak litters conversation with bro like cigarette butts on a highway. It isn't being used as a slight or a misgendering the way you describe it.

    Like, I tend to litter both speech and casual writing with "like" at the beginning of sentences like this. Bro is used akin to bub or pal or homie more than the origin as brother. It isn't as gendered as it started out. Dudettes even use bro for their sisters ;)

    That doesn't change that someone you live with is brushing against your specific pain points.

    This is a situation that requires compromise on the part of a roomie. When an aussie rooms with someone that suffered abuse by being called cunt, it only matters a tiny bit that they don't mean it in a bad way. It matters in that it's something to work on rather than an immediate deal breaker. Your situation is a few steps apart that, but the same principle.

    You're absolutely not being rude. And, if the person in question refuses outright to work with you they're the asshole. Language, ideolect, takes time and effort to adjust, but it is malleable. That effort is necessary when addressing someone. They can still call others bro. They can still use the term bro as a term of affection. They just need to stop calling you bro. And dude, despite its origins.

    Fwiw, while I definitely believe this is an appropriate community for the question, it would also be appropriate in any general questions community. It applies outside of trans issues as well

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 2 months ago

    I have some self-worth issues, so I sometimes have trouble knowing when... I'm unsure how to finish that sentence. I don't always feel I deserve minimum respect, like everyone else. Thanks for helping me reädjust.

    I'm not even asking them to not use those words as filler words or exclamations; I don't kind a "duuuude" if i show them something neat, or a "bruh" if I tell them something outrageous.

    Yeah, I wasn't sure whether to put this here or over in !asktransgender@lemmy.blahaj.zone. I generally prefer posting on Blåhaj Zone, since I know the mods will be fairly vigilant against transphobes; it feels safe here.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Am I in the wrong here?

    No. It is okay to have boundaries around pretty much anything, even if it goes against what someone or somemany else usually does.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago

    "But I call everyone 'bro' or 'dude'!"

    Sure, I get that! But not me though.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    It's likely a bullshit excuse for deliberate disrespect. Return the favor by finding something to call them which bothers them - when they complain, give them the same excuse they use in return.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago*
    1. Yar aint wrong.
    2. correct /c/
    3. Straight up start call’m “baby,” “doll,” “girl,” “bitch,” “cunt,” “yapper,” etc. until they start getting offended. “Maybe you can now empathize why I don't liked to be ‘bro”d’? Truce?” Some folks only learn the hard way.
    4. Indefensible argument:

    citing ideolect as a defence.
    “You talk to your grandparents this way cunt?” e.g.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    No, your friend is in the wrong. I use dude and bro a lot, and for everyone. I use it irregardless of gender. HOWEVER, I also respect others. If someone is uncomfortable with how I am referring to them, I accommodate. Because it costs me nearly nothing to change the way I talk, and I likely would be having a harmful impact on whoever I am talking with if I don't respect their boundaries. This is particularly the case for trans folk, cause refusing to accommodate only worsens the impact of gender dysphoria.

    The only time I have ever given pushback is when someone tells me not to use the word "queer." I am queer, and I identify as gender-queer, and I will not censor my identity.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Someone told you not to use "queer"‽ That's absurd. It's been reclaimed now.

    That reminds me: this person also thinks Billy Joe Armstrong (who is bi) should be cancelled for saying the f-slur. Like, what‽

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    I mean despite it being reclaimed, I still feel like theres a noticable caution around it. Like it is almost never used by anyone outside the queer community and mostly used by younger queers, and generally LGBT (and its variants) is more commonly used. To me that signals that queer's history still lingers, and I think thats particularly the case for older queer folk who had to deal with it as a slur for longer.

    To be fair though, this is all anecdotal

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  • [+] -2 points 3 months ago (1 child)