cross-posted from: https://lemmy.today/post/58025748

HOW do you guys tip in the US? Do you go by food total or bill total? I know it's frowned upon in other countries, I'm not here to question or debate that.

No matter how you split it, pre or post tax, the "gratuity" is much higher than it should be! The 18%is higher even than what actual 20% should be!

Pretax should be $14.26, tax included (ripoff) should be $15.44. So why is the "20%" up to $18.25?! That's a 25.5% tip.

For me, I tip "15%" but round numbers. The bill is $72, so I take 10% (7.20 but round up to 8 then add 4) which ends up $12.

If they were exceptional, I just go off 20% which is $16 by my method, and round the total to the nearest dollar... but even that isn't their pretend 18%!! And technically my method is over 20% after rounding up. They're all just taking advantage of niceness and guilt for patrons having to tip everyone.

Edit: I fucked up being hung up on numbers, not realizing to the left was the explanation. πŸ˜… OK, so just: how do y'all tip?

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[–] 10 points 3 months ago

My city has removed the minimum wage exemption for tipped employees and raised the minimum wage to $21.30 so I have stopped tipping.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago

    Oh so that’s what we’re gonna do today? We’re gonna fight?

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    If you add back the fourteen dollar appetizer you got for free, all the math checks out. The receipt says it's all calculated before the discounts, and you were served that food.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    I tip 20% of whatever the total is after tax because for the most part I don't eat at expensive places where a few percent is more than a dollar difference to care about what the 'right way' to tip is.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    What's the reason most people say they calculate tips before discounts? I mean I come from a wildly different tipping culture, I wouldn't know... But it's not really the waiter's achievement how there's some wednesday appetizer special? And it's probably not like the restaurant is losing money on it, but it's some clever advertisement strategy and they factored it in with the rest of the pricing strategy, so you kind of paid for it anyway, just in a different way? So why add this hypothetical number to what you actually paid?

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Why is the tipping even based on the money spent when that has no bearing on the effort the waiter spends serving? The whole system is stupid and makes no sense.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    Yeah, that's a bit of a different question... A valid question because it doesn't make any sense... But then, I think earning money rarely relates to effort. Like you do backbreaking work in construction or in the hospital, or run around as a waiter for 40000 steps a day, put up with people, and of course you get paid next to nothing. Better: you sit at a desk for 8h a day and push around some paper, that gets some medium pay. And best is not to work at all, you gotta own a lot of money and that makes it multiply all by itself by some magic.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago

    My rule is this: If I order standing, I don't tip. If I tip, it is 10%.

    I'm not your employer. Tip is supposed to be spontaneous to the individual that helped you. Not systemic.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    20%, rounded up, plus $2 per messy kid at the table, though I may slip that directly to the busser who comes to clean it

    BUT if I receive a discount I tip on the amount before discount AND the tip should be at least as much as the discount was unless it was to recover for server error

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    20% of total. Rounded to $-.00. Not worth thinking of taxes or specials. It's literally pennies in most bills.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Pretax but will add in discounts so it will be a % of 85, e.g. $13 at 15%, $15 at 18%, $17 at 20%, $19 at 22%.

    If I have to pay my tip before I am served anything, usually it's between 50 cents and 10% if at all. More or less I treat it like being nice to a panhandler in the shape of a business. If the establishment earned more through good service, I'll drop some change or a fiver on my way out.

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  • I'd never heard of tipping on anything other than the total (including tax). I always do at least 20% by the rules used on the receipt, unless the service was horrid. I get that tipping shouldn't be necessary, but here in the US where workers are constantly shit on in numerous ways, it feels only fair.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    This really depends. When I had little kids and was restaurant training them, I would tip very high because the bill did not at all represent the work of the wait staff.

    If my husband and I are indulgent (unusual) the bill is more than the work, we do 20% still because we know they aren't paid enough.

    Drinks? $1-$2 each one.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Subtotal $71 plus $13 makes $84...$8.40*2= ~ $17 so $17 tip.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Without service, 0-$2. For service, 18-20% of pretax. I agree that a $50 meal is not harder to serve than a $12 meal, but it is what it is. Couple of dollars per drink at the bar. I freaked out when my husband tried to tip $100 on a 4 drink $500 bar tab.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    You tip on the bill value even if you get free stuff. The discount doesn't nullify it's existence in your belly.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago* (4 children)

    The discount doesn't nullify it's existence in your belly.

    Or the work the staff performed to get it there.

    The receipt itself states that the suggested tip amount are calculated after tax and before discounts. Those figures are correct.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    I tip the amount before tax... Never heard of tipping after tax amounts as a suggestion/standard.

    That's just double dipping. Tip 15% on a number that's already been increased 15%? That's a $3.45 tip instead of a $3 tip on a $20 meal. That's a 17.5% tip.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    I have money. I usually just tip 20% of the total. Usually I'll round up. Like I was just at a bar and the total for 2 drinks and some food was $33. I tipped $7.

    If it's a place I go to regularly I'll tip more. My regular bar sometimes throws in free stuff, and let me reserve some tables recently, so I usually tip generously there.

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  • [–] -3 points 3 months ago

    I base the the tip on the overall total. I usually tip 40-50%. We don't go out often, so the high percentage isn't as much of a financial burden as it may seem.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago

    That tipping should be on the before tax total has long been standard practice. If that practice is breaking down it's because people are ignorant and POS systems are manipulative.

    I would always tip on the total before any discount. If given a freebie, like say the bartender gave me a free drink, I tip as if the freebie were on the bill.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Cant help with reality here. Not in USA.

    In UK I just round it up to the nearest note with the phrase "keep the change pal". I look like a fairly generous guy if the change is 4.90. I look like a condescending prick if the change is 0.10.

    At that point though im out the door so I dont have to deal with gratitude or the ol' stinkeye

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    I never use percentage based tips, costs for everything are so inflated. I just pick a dollar amount out of my ass that I feel matches my service experience that also agrees with my wallet (when I'm flush I'll tip more). It's all a scam and I hate to participate but I feel bad for low paid workers.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago* (3 children)

    I disagree with tipping on tax, but agree with tipping on discounts. I baseline 20% and adjust up or down based on quality of service, while paying attention to how overworked the staff is.

    I once sat at a hibachi table with strangers who were super demanding and then complained about the service and refused to tip so I added their tip to my bill (without saying anything because I didn't want to start an argument with them).

    Waitstaff get fucked coming and going. If they do their share of the work, it's not their fault if the kitchen fucked up. I generally just add the cost of the comped item to the tip rather than 20%.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    I agree with paying service staff a livable wage and not having a whole class of people dependent on the generosity of random strangers. You're basically making beggars of workers, it's pretty fucked up.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    wow. suggested tip in the US syart with 18%. i could NOT afford to eat out in the us

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    You could, you would just have to tolerate the side-eyeing. πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Well, tolerate the side eye and be willing to screw over someone trying to pay their bills. Whether tipping should be the standard practice (it shouldn't) is a separate issue. The general expected practice is that you will tip, and tips are effectively a server's whole wage. It's not an easy or pleasant job. Going to a sit down restaurant with the intention not to tip, to make someone work for you basically for free, just makes you an asshole. Until we get rid of tipped minimum wage.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    This comment is 100% correct and anyone voting it down should seriously try to reframe their thinking.

    You don't have to like the situation, I don't like the situation... but if you don't tip at least 15% you are underpaying a server and meaningfully impacting their life.

    Servers should be paid more by their actual employers and it's ethically wrong that establishments are allowed to underpay their employees just so they can offload that cost to the customer and deceptively list a lower price on their menu. That said, this is the current situation in the US, that cost is offloaded, effectively making restaurant customers the primary source of income for restaurant servers. They are effectively your employees now, so please, don't underpay your employees.

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  • We're all trying to pay bills, and I also work in the service industry. Such is life, I'm not gonna be a baby/asshole and demand someone to pay extra (because they're not underpaying or stealing, gratuity is basically charity and you're meant to be competent at your job regardless) because of the inequalities of my fucked up so-called society. If you get uppity because someone doesn't want to waste even more money on a night out just for free, sure, but I don't think this very emotional take is valid, and it's acceptable only in the US.

    And, btw, the only intention anyone has by going to a restaurant is eating in exchange for money, the prices are there and I pay the price. Anything else (from complimenting you on your nice shoes to paying your medical bills because you're very nice) cannot be reasonably expected.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    They don't work for me, they work for the restaurant owner who is offloading their salary onto me under guise of a "tip". Fucking leeches feeding off our working class and you act like we're the problem for questioning this predatory system.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    I never said don't question it, I said it shouldn't be that way! But it is that way right now, and we are responsible for how our actions affect others, even in an unfair system.

    I agree with everything you're saying, but you going to the restaurant and not tipping hurts the server, not the owner. They spend time and effort for basically nothing in return, and even if you disagree with the system in place you are still using it to get cheaper food (because resteraunt costs are subsidized by tips to staff) at the expense of someone who in most cases can't afford it.

    It you want to hurt the owner in the short term, don't go.

    Eventually of course this means less serving jobs, again hurting the server.

    So the best option is getting rid of tipped minimum wage. Easier said than done, but it's the only real way to fix this.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago

    Nothing at all. Not in our culture. Our waiters make a decent living, I suppose.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    Round the subtotal. Divide by 10. Multiply by 2. Smile, say thank you, and get on with it.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    I only tip when I'm at a sit down restaurant. And I tip the same, 15 unless they were expectional.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    WTF? I was taught tipping was calculated before tax. This is just giving even more money out on top of the ridiculous 18% minimum suggested amount.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    I just do 20 for easy math

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    20% of the bill (before tax).

    In some states the tax may even be 10%, in these states it can be easy to calculate the tip by simply doubling the tax amount.

    And then if I'm leaving a cash tip, I may round that resulting number up, so if it happens to be something like say 59.46, just make it $60.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    I tip on the bill total and if everything was okay I'd leave a $16 tip for this. If the service was really good I'd leave $20.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    I don't.

    Tipping is bullshit and employers need to pay their employees. Literally based in slavery.

    Furthermore, taxes should be included on the fucking price tag.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    I tip depending on what I can afford and level of service.

    one time a pizza guy delivered my pizza, seemed really chill and was way early (delivered like 10 minutes after I ordered it). I only had $100 bills so I tipped him $100 on a $25 pizza.

    another time my food was four hours late. I was already in bed at that time. they got zero tip. left my pizza on my front door where raccoons tore it apart and I had to hose pizza sauce off my steps and door the next morning.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    I tip $0.

    no ifs ands or buts. zero. null. talk to your boss if you need more money, or quit. not my problem.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    71.35 + 13.99 = 85.34 x 0.15 (for good service) = 12.80

    if paying cash round up or down to the nearest dollar.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Unless the service includes a blowjob it's a big zero.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Oh. I'll tip if they give me free stuff. That's about it.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    25-30. I start at 25% because it’s easier for me to math in my head. I feel gross calculating how good I thought my service was or how much I think the staff deserve.

    But I’m later in my life and doing okay for now. In other times, I’ve just done the math and dealt with feeling gross.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    I tip 30% on top of the post-tax if it was good or if I like the people. I have the means, so it's only fair. If the service was terrible or the food was awful I'll do 20%.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    20% pre-tax total is the norm in the US.

    They're adding extra on top there

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    I order everything to-go. Cheaper, and I can eat in the comfort of my own home without anyone judging me for slopping it all in a bucket or pushing me to taking one last bite and exploding.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Tip depending on the service provided. That is the most important aspect. As I don't know how your service was, I can't provide an answer.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    If you could get the ear of a manager I'd "inform" them of the error. If I got even a hint that it was a known and accepted error or even intentional, I'd tell them I'm not eating there anymore. You could also talk to the server or bartender to see if it's a known issue.

    Had they had shit like this when I was serving I'd have crossed that off on every bill I brought to a customer.

    Edit: just a pet peeve. why the hell do people just downvote with no extra comment? What is so controversial about what I said?

    Secondly, given that it's a corporate chain (didn't clock that before commenting), they'd get no benefit of the doubt. I'd just tell them I'm not coming back and that's the reason.

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  • Sometimes I write down 15% if I go sit down (extremely rare)

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