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[–] 81 points 3 months ago (6 children)

There is absolutely no excuse for such an immensely profitable company to not have a team of humans reviewing ads.

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  • [–] 32 points 3 months ago

    Their fancy new AI can go rogue, escape containment, and hack other companies. But surely, this advanced technology can’t be applied moderate Facebook ads!

    Really shows you where the focus is.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child)

    The humans doing this job are going to be paid so bad and will have to review so much content that I don't think they will perform any better than the current bots.

    And they probably will have to deal with the stress and blame when something escapes from their review process.

    Edit so I'm not misunderstood: I'm not against human review in this (and other cases) but we have to have in mind that this kind of job SUCKS and content moderators on Facebook (contractors really) already had problems with PTSD (https://www.theguardian.com/media/2024/dec/18/kenya-facebook-moderators-sue-after-diagnoses-of-severe-ptsd).

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    Sadly humans are not just the answer, it propagates the abuse. Your comment reminded me of this report on The Verge: The Trauma Floor

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    Surely you understand the difference between moderating the entirety of a free global public social media site versus vetting the fucking advertisements companies are paying you to host. There's absolutely no comparison between the two and there's no excuse for ads like that to be hosted on a major corporations website.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    I was reminded of that, but then realized that reviewing ads is not the same as raw content moderation. It’ll still have some shitty moments, but it’s not the same as being forced to watch snuff videos.

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  • [–] 49 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I read the title, and despite how shitty Meta is, I just thought the headline had to be sensationalized.

    Nope.

    "One video ad, the TTP researchers say, used a thumbnail image of a child sitting on the floor with text appearing on top of it saying: “Realizing Deep Fantasies with Generation AI [sic]. There is so much more than what is shown, use your imagination.” The researchers say that when the ad was clicked, it played video clips of adults involved in sexual acts and then added the child’s face from the thumbnail to a sex act.

    Another ad the researchers say had been repeatedly posted showed an image of a young girl laying back with her legs spread in a sexual position with text above it saying: “I can show you more.”"

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    It is slightly sensationalized in the sense that Meta didn't run the ads, Meta allowed the ads to be run. Title implies Meta created the content, whereas Meta didn't prevent the content from being distributed. Not great, but wildly different.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    That's correct, the origin of those ads are chinese nudify AI apps targeting western consumers.

    Meta say ads, as are thousands (or millions) of them, are verified through automated tools, which can be deceived. It reminds me the case of Tinder fake profiles taking advantage of loophole of "just one face verified picture" (also chinese scammers).

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  • [–] 28 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    I’m sure the FBI will be dispatching a team of experts to immediately investigate the servers at Meta, seize and analyze the offending content, and rescue the children being abused.

    How about another congressional inquiry with Zuck’s robot doppelgänger?

    Or, maybe the latest rogue Meta AI could be used to regulate Facebook advertising content instead of boosting stock price.

    Mandate that websites support ad-blocking? Stop using Facebook?

    What am I talking about? None of that will happen of course, that would be insane! Let’s just continue on as if everything is normal, because that’s what this is now. This is what’s normal in a world with the Meta corporation.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Responsible behavior is against the interests of metas shareholders so this will continue.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

    Err... no shit? I spent 5 years off the internet. When I got back around a year ago I tried making a facebook account just to keep in touch with some family members.

    Go try it. Use a VPN to block your IP, make a brand new account from a brand new email address and pop on and off a few times. I gaurantee that their shorts section will show you little girls in bikinis or skin tight leotards doing "gymnastics" that aren't actually gymnastics. Click on one of them and read the insane comments from men very clearly saying they want to fuck these children.

    Congratulations. Now that you've clicked on one of them they will show up in that shorts section a lot more often. If you click a few to read the comments in horror you'll be getting loads of them.

    They appear in the shorts section, which is 55% dedicated to women doing blatantly sexual things, 20% guys doing stupid things, 5% anything else they might think will make people click, and 20%.... children in very revealing and/or skin tight clothing.

    They use those things for a reason. It's what gets the most clicks. It's what causes the highest user engagement and retention. They know what all those comments say. They know why those videos are there. A lot of them aren't just videos. They're fucking ads. If you decide to go real deep into the rabbit whole you can start searching for the name of the girl and or their "modeling" or "gymnastics" company online. It won't take many tries from those videos to hit some result that sends you to Telegram or a Darknet page where you can send some form of digital currency in exchange for the real stuff for the models of your choice. (Note: This was when I stopped and tried to report it to the government before realizing the US government now supports child rape.)

    Some of these girls have moved directly from videos like this to OnlyFans or similar sites. Some of them are known to have pictures from before they turned 18 that they started sending on those the day they did turn 18, after years of getting attention and drumming up followers online starting before they were even teenagers, and often selling CSAM on the down low.

    I'd be shocked if they started these things, as little kids, because they decided to make the world's most fucked up early retirement plan. Adults were involved. No way in hell a good amount of the girls weren't trafficked, and that many aren't also available for in person visits from the very rich customers.

    Meta caters to child rapists and pedophiles. They help them run their businesses. They have all the back end information to track the users and accounts, the AI to track the images of the girls, the "agency" names, all of it. But instead of doing their best to stop it because it's fucking awful they push that onto the feeds of people their algorithms say will like it so they make more money off of ads.

    Meta, the company it was already open news that Zuckerberg wanted his AI to sex chat with children, because that meant they'd spend more time on his platform. After All the crazy harm the platforms are going to little girls was big news and a big court issue.

    While making and marketing special glasses for pedophiles to use to record innocent children in public without anyone freaking out.

    This might be the least ethical and most outright evil tech company there is. If they knew no one would report it and it would get them more users and money they'd absolutely keep sending CSAM out to people.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago* (3 children)

    Go try it. Use a VPN to block your IP, make a brand new account from a brand new email address and pop on and off a few times. I gaurantee that their shorts section will show you little girls in bikinis or skin tight leotards doing “gymnastics” that aren’t actually gymnastics. Click on one of them and read the insane comments from men very clearly saying they want to fuck these children.

    I might actually try this, but it's worth noting that using a commercial VPN isn't exactly picking a pristine IP address at random, it's using an IP address that thousands of other people use for who-knows-what.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    When I signed up I wasn't using a VPN, just the home internet that for the last 7 years had only been used by my mid 60s father who can barely use a computer and spends all of his free time playing a slot machine "game" where you do nothing but click the button over and over and it tells you how much you win or lose.

    The only real reasons I suggested a VPN are to try to keep it from being associated with your actual existing information if you have any. But it's Meta. I imagine if you just logged out of any account you might have and made a new one it would go that same way.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah, I didn't mean to cast doubt on what you observed, just to say that using a VPN might introduce an abnormal circumstance. I am curious to see for myself. I'm actually hoping to find a different result because man... That is dark.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    I didn't think you were being doubtful, just trying to clarify that I hadn't been using one. This was around then the Epstein files stated coming out. Saw a post about how the DoJ released full zips and then started taking down files so I did my nerd duty to grab all the original full archives. Then I had to look, and the lots of talk about "modeling" agencies that definitely weren't that made me wonder about the creepy shit I'd seen with young "models" and "gymnasts" ... it's a shit rabbit hole, especially since nothing is being done about any of it.

    Not just the kids, the things like Gabriela Rico Jiménez screaming in public claiming the Epstein & Friends were literally eating children trying to get help then vanishing the next day? It's a SFW video, just her yelling hysterically and sounding crazy in public in 2019. It sounds way less crazy in 2026. :/

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    "every accusation is a confession"
    Y'all remember how they used to say the Democrats and queer people were going to "normalize child pornography"? Now meta and twitter, themselves responsible for at least half of all magats, are actively creating and distributing CSAM, with no pushback from the Republican government.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    actively creating and distributing

    In fairness, it seems what is actually going on is that they are not sufficiently monitoring third-party advertising, not creating the material themselves.

    I just hate it when we aren't accurate about what's going on. Not controlling your advertising is a much different problem. One that needs resolution, mind, but not nearly the same as Facebook itself creating such content.

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  • [–] 29 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Zuck: We are going to train our AI using data from our employees' computers.

    AI: * generates child porn

    Zuck: Oh...no....

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    This is what a good chunk of AI use is. CSAM factories. This is why our babies will grow up hearing nothing but fan noises.

    Truly demonic world they're making.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    What the fuck? I can’t believe this headline. Does anyone have this article without paywall?

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    If I could bet on nobody getting fined or indicted over this... easy money.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    My God. That article and website... What a mess. The internet is borked.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    What, Wired? Looks great to me--one of the most pleasant-looking article sites I like to read, but that's on Firefox with uBlock Origin and Dark Reader.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Firefox with uBlock Origin and Dark Reader.

    Excellent taste, my fellow firefox-uBlockOrigin-DarkReader browser ;)

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Isn't this how everyone browses the web?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Well, joking aside for a moment, I always strongly feel people should browse how they prefer.

    That said, I don't want to give up this that I have. Although I'm not a firefox purist - I did use Chrome-based (Edge was the last one) with uBlock but came back to Firefox after Chrome killed that.

    But I've switched many times over the years. I was using Netscape Navigator when IE3 came out and had much better features. Then when third-party browsers supported tabs I switched. Then Firefox for a good while. For a long time, Chrome was too heavy for my machine. Then Firefox went bad for a while and I switched to Chrome. Back to Firefox, back to Chrome. I got spoiled on vertical tabs with Vivaldi and then I had to have that so I ended up on Edge because of the vertical tab and Chrome extension support. And now Firefox.

    I've skipped over times I've used multiple browsers regularly, and I've probably forgotten some switched in there - it's been a long long journey since 1994. lol.

    I've grown picky over the decades, so yeah, for me, Firefox with uBlock Origin and Dark Reader and a vertical tab setup are sort of foundational / ground floor requirements for me. lol

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    Tech companies try not to do anything stupid/controversial challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)

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    [–] 74 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    So now Meta has actively produced and hosted CSAM material, when does the sites get seized?

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  • [–] 53 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Come now, rich pedophiles don’t face consequences.

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  • [–] 19 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Not true. If they piss off richer, more prominent pedophiles they may accidentally fall out of windows or simply hang themselves in jail.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    After miraculously regrowing their prostates, no less

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  • [–] 48 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child)

    Everybody is blaming Meta for serving these ads, but, you see, they just didn't know. They took them down as soon as the were informed. Really, how could they possibly have known the content of the ads they sold, hosted and served? Those ads were very much against their rules, I can assure you of that. Their automated detection system is doing its best, and these "researchers" only proved it let through fifty odd such images. Meta swear it stopped a whole bunch more. What more do you want from them? What? You want them to pay someone to actually vet the ads they serve? Don't be ridiculous, that would cut into their profits. Unacceptable. Hold them responsible for the illegal content of ads they served? Absolutely not. How dare you?!

    /s in case it wasn't painfully obvious.

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  • [–] 24 points 3 months ago*

    They actually don't take them down even if reported. I've been flagging stuff like this for 6 months. They refused. I appealed the refusal, a human supposedly reviewed it and it still was refused. The algo thinks I like that shit, so it shows me more and I report more of it. Nothing ever comes from it.

    I'm talking about obvious CSAM or allusions to it. Accounts run by cybercriminals using images of minors to lure marks. Fucking shit that anyone with a working morality would remove.

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  • [–] 27 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

    I've been flagging these on Facebook, which I have a blank account only for marketplace. Facebook NEVER does anything about it and I've been increasingly concerned. My reports get closed as "content does not break terms of use".

    The things I see through Facebook ads are not necessarily ai generated. They are just disgusting images, or allusions. Like an anime image of an old man surrounded by young boys with captions about a romance dating sim.

    Yes, it is full of ads alluding to or including CSAM.

    It's been like this for a while. The suggested shorts frequently imply sexual content with minors and Facebook friend suggestions on blank accounts frequently include 14-16 year old girls.

    Don't believe me, create a fresh Facebook account and just browse the feed. It's vile. The second you click it to report it, the algo will show you so much more.

    Edit: There's also a large number of fake user accounts promoting onlyfans or phishing scams including photos of under 18 girls in swimsuits with captions like "would you date someone young like me?". Facebook also closed those reported tickets as not violating community guidelines.

    I flagged one of these in January, I just found it and the user is celebrating her "birthday" holding balloons 1 and 3. Still active.

    I've appealed some of these reports they closed and they claimed a human reviewed it and it still didnt violate guidelines.

    They at best don't give a fuck, at worst actively want this space to flourish within their platform. I think Facebook is behaving in a criminal way, either through negligence or complicit.

    Don't assume all this content is ai. It's just as likely trafficking networks are producing these images or stealing them from minors' accounts. These images could have been produced ages ago as well.

    These cybercriminals absolutely have CSAM they will show as a means of achieving phishing or pig butchering scams. Facebook allows its space to be a launching point for this.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I regularly see Facebook posts with literal calls for murder, that, after lengthy "reviews", are found to be "not against the community standards". Things like "we should really kill all the towelheads, they have no place in America"...

    Meanwhile, a few weeks back I had to fight a 30 day suspension for a comment that said "[insert name here] no, Hitler was wrong, his rhetoric was hateful, and the very first targets of the Nazi party were the socialists and workers unions. Look up the Night of Long Knives.", because apparently stating historical facts, not calls to violence, IS against the community standards.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    I was going to say, what isn't CSAM or scams, is violent and hateful propaganda or fake news.

    I genuinely wish I could get a court order to ban my parents from using Facebook. I told my mom I wouldn't help her next time she get's scammed buying a fake item off a Facebook ad. I think she's at like 4 times now.

    Like they aren't stupid, they are old. This stuff is dangerous for them.

    Wouldn't even bother reporting those ads... We know nothing would come from it. The scammers pay Facebook their cut, they are happy.

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  • [–] 26 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    reads headline
    w-wh-a-... did I read that right?
    adjusts glasses
    Oh... I did. Fuck Meta. Like, really fuck them up. Please.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 months ago

    As the company implies, some of the offending ads got past Meta’s new AI technology. Initially, the TTP researchers found around two dozen ads displaying the abusive content. However, hours ahead of publication, the researchers discovered around 30 more. Many of these ads had been published after WIRED first asked Meta about the content, with multiple ads being live and shown to accounts at the time researchers discovered them.

    Everyone involved in the process for those ads needs to be on a sex offender registry at a minimum. The entire company needs to be shut down for a few months while they are searched thoroughly for any more signs of CSAM distribution.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago

    You train a piece of programming on Reddit and the entirety of the internet, then have it run by emotionally stunted sociopaths. How is any of this surprising?

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    its not like it makes a difference to the android in control, hes not human. im guessing Musk doesnt want to be left behind in the race to produce AI generated CSAM.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Accountability should scale with automation too

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Wait, does Zuck fuck kids now too?

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  • [–] -2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I originally thought that the title expressed "Meta created ads that contained AI-generated Child Sexual Abuse Imagery, and then ran them". However, it seems that the article actually expresses "One or more people who are probably not employees of Meta made ads that contained AI-generated Child Sexual Abuse Imagery in order to promote so-called nudify or undressing apps, and then Meta ran them".

    More than 50 image and video ads containing abusive content were recently discovered in Meta’s ad library by researchers at the Tech Transparency Project (TTP), with the listings showing that some ads linked out to so-called nudify or undressing apps. Meta’s ad library—a transparency tool that catalogues ads displayed on the company’s platforms—shows the ads running across Facebook, Instagram, Messenger, and/or Threads. The findings are the second time in recent weeks that paid ads linked to child sexual abuse material have been found on Meta’s platforms.

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    [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    Soooooo... Working as intended.

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    [–] 6 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Crazy if they publicize csam with no consequence

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago*

    Its called innovation. Trump made it illegal for the states to regulate Ai in any shape or form. Elon musk is out there putting in the work and fighting against this Chinese communist propaganda that is trying to stop his beautiful all knowing ai from producing Csam with absolutely 0 saftey checks.

    Even the first time elons grok was caught generation millions of csam images he didnt even remove it or try to stop it. He just made the images private, and when people complained he was being negligent to the point of it being criminal, he simply made it so only the united States/UK couldn't generate csam, or you just had to pay for x ai.

    Now musk is fighting for the rights of his csam generating machine and trying to ensure it can still produce csam. He is actively in legal trouble right now due to this, and he is fighting it on every single front, like a good ai bro does.

    They really don't care, many of these social media sites made their money off by using dark patterns to manipulate people, and produce csam to boost their user base. If they really cared about protecting the children many of the big faces of Ai you say today would of been in prison a long time ago.

    Facebook had a threshold limit on how many reports an account would have to receive before they took action on human trafficking. What's worse is that number was highly flexible and could be completely ignored if it had good engagement. So children getting trafficking could of been reported up to 17 times before an ai came in and said nope that post/ad is making us too much money better keep it up.

    This is what Ai is made for.

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