cross-posted from: https://piefed.zip/post/491912
That was the crux of that famous Penn and Teller bit about it too.
Like, even if it were true that vaccines caused autism, it would still be worth it to do it because autism is better than dead.
"I'd rather my kids be autistic than dead"
I think this is a completely valid train of thought.
Misguided for sure, but valid.
This was from the Penn and Teller TV show called Bullshit! They said, " Assume the research paper is correct. Going by their statistics, you are far more likely to die than get autism."
And the paper turned out to be fraud.
Isn't that how it's supposed to work? Parents preferring live children to dead ones in world that constantly throws weird bullshit their way?
It’s kinda wildly offensive that these anti vaxxers would rather have a dead kid than an autistic one, they speak about autism like it’s leprosy
Reminds me of a bit some streamer did about a trans inclusionary radical misogynist. "I get it, if I was born a woman I'd want to be a man too! And any weak man that can't hack it should get to be a woman! Trans rights!"
The important part is that he understands that vaccines work. The antivax morons do not.
There's different degrees of being wrong, and this guy is only half wrong, leading to a better outcome. We should encourage that.
Or you could be my parents, don't vax and still get at least two autistic children anyway.
I think I’d have more respect for them, not less. They seriously considered it was easier to deal with the autism than endangering their children and others with the disease. The positive side is that it’s very unlikely there will be any disease or autism.
What a good parent.
In contast: My mother would rather have me being dead that help me get through depression. Fuck "Filial Piety", bunch of bullshit. I made typo on a tax form that they themselves don't even know how to file and all the sudden its my fault? Bruh. "Medication is bad", meanwhile I'm struggling with serotonin withdrawl, and yet they have the audacity to say I'm useless for an illness they inflicted on me.
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Penn and Teller had a good visual about this. https://youtu.be/RfdZTZQvuCo
People believe the darndest things and invest a lot of time and energy to create their very own personalized alternate realities.
Kinda scary that even though the link between vaccines and autism has been debunked so much in the past 20 years, that people still think its true. I mean, at this point theres more chance that the earth is actually flat than vaccines causing autism.
Is autism a disability?
Well, we got good news for him!
My ex CW has an autistic son, and she won't vaccinate him, and she claims it's because his father won't allow it but his father has almost zero to do with the child, and does nothing for his medical needs. The child is very sickly looking to my eye, and always getting ill. I honestly don't get any of it.
The person thinks vaccines cause autism but has watched Rain Man so hey just take the autistic kid to Vegas, that's how autism works, isn't it?
They’re right about the tradeoff, though.
The rates of autism are lower than the death rates without vaccines, so even if they did cause autism (which they do not), you should still vaccinate them.
The only thing they got wrong was falling for the lie about vaccines causing autism.
Given that premise: their conclusion was correct.
Much of the primary education and information dissemination systems in the US have become increasingly constructed to misinform and misdirect the population and remove the potential for rational thought and debate, there will be a lot of collateral damage in an approach of that sort.
It's... Progress?
He took the long way around, but he got to the correct destination.
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