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[–] 19 points 3 months ago

TIL China has lower suicide rates than nearly all other developed countries. Honestly thought they'd be higher.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate

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  • [–] 38 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    China is just bribing people to continue living by providing material improvements to their quality of life. That's cheating 😤

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    [–] 53 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    You dummy, the reason people don’t commit suicide in aUThOriTAiaN StAtEs is because the government would murder them for it.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago

    It would be great to have the complete unit of measure displayed here. It's suicides per 100k capita. Does not change the relative proportions, but is needed for the full picture.

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  • [–] 39 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    One of those posts where people who know nothing but have opinions they must speak come together to enlighten the poor tankies. Can we at least drop the white saviour mentality this time guys?

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  • [–] 26 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Inb4 "no but they're commies so they must be lying"

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    [–] 8 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    It doesn't matter which country I live in, I will still want to not exist on earth.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Genuine question, is North Korea considered a monarchy (or monarcho-socialist), considering the Kim family has ruled it uncontested for generations? I know that a lot of stuff you read about North Korea in mainstream news is misinformation/propaganda so I'm curious

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    No, every political position held by members of the Kim family is open to anyone else. They don't have a competition based electoral system, and instead do consensus building before approval voting.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    source: cryptic symbolism in my dreams

    but seriously: are the bougies paying you a commission to go around spewing bullshit, or you just enjoy running your mouth about places you know less than nothing about?

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  • [+] -9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

    No I've read extensively about how the DPRK works. I stand by what I said before I had the KGB man coming around to bash it with a heavy object.

    And before you all start screeching lib I actually think China is leading the world currently and while a bit on the authoritarian side for my taste is clearly pioneering a superior system to the west in general.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago (11 children)

    Neither source seems to point towards fudged numbers, more towards an increase in suicides as a societal issue to be tackled. Nobody said there's no suicide in China.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    I'd need to see evidence of this, all you've done is list suspicions.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    All countries have a political interest in showing themselves as better, though. I'm aware enough of China's history to know that your allegations are just that, allegations.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    So in other words, you don't have any proof, and are using the lack of proof as evidence. That's not how proof works.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Yep, all you're doing is speculation and treating it as proof.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    What discrepancy is there in the data?

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    Death registration data is unavailable or unusable for China due to quality issues. Estimates of mortality by cause should be interpreted with caution. These estimates may be used for priority setting, however, they are not likely to be informative for policy evaluation or comparisons among countries.

    https://data.who.int/countries/156

    We can also review an excerpt from the population introduction from the Chinese Statistical Yearbook, which the study someone cited above cites as their primary data source.

    Data in this chapter are prepared by the Department of Population and Employment Statistics of the National Bureau of Statistics. In tables 2-1 to 2-6, figures for 1981 and before are from household registrations; data for the year 1982, 1990, 2000, 2010 and 2020 are the census year estimates; the rest of the data covered in those tables are estimates from the annual national sample survey on population changes and data for selected years have been revised

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    Because you keep just saying shit and getting mad when you're not taken at your word that your lack of evidence is actually evidence.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    Whenever I see one of these threads, I go inside. "Removed by Mod". 90% of the time, based on the replies and comments around it, it looks like the removed comment just said some dumb shit or was heavily disagreed with.

    Why are we removing people we disagree with from the discussion? There are like eight people were had all their comments stripped from this thread. WTF is going on?

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago

    After a while you get tired of reading "Chinese bot, Russian orc, wumao CCP shill, everyone is North Korea is dead, communists killed everyone on earth, Hamas is terrorists, Iran killed eighty trillion people in 3 days, you are a communist because you are mentally defective, vote blue no matter who."

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    You have been indoctrinated with the attitude that everyone's opinion is equal and fools must be suffered. This is a community, not a street corner.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Well yes, that is how a democracy works. If someone says something stupid, publicly, they get it kicked right back up their ass. I'd rather participate in kicking the stupid back up a person's ass than wade through pages of a one-way conversation. Maybe that's just me.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Does a community get to decide who is a part of it? Who is the 'demos' in your democracy?

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Who are common people of the memes@lemmy.ml state? Everyone here who is engaging in the community, and that is how public online forums work. "A community" is a broad categorization and does not have a standard structure of organization or common practices. "Public Online Forum" does in fact have a standard set of practices and organization, with precedent set since the 90s. That precedent is that moderators and admins get to choose who gets to participate, thus my original comment.

    Any other weirdo accusations or loaded questions you'd like to spitball?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago*

    Any other weirdo accusations or loaded questions you’d like to spitball?

    I haven't even read the main paragraph here but I will tell you right off that the derangement on display here is that which you brought yourself.

    Go ahead and await my reply for I logged on kinda on a whim and wasn't expecting an epic showdown of words (it is after work and I do not work tomorrow and I am drunk)

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  • [+] -9 points 3 months ago

    Reminds me of when there were no homosexuals in Iran 😆

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  • [+] -12 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    If you trust these numbers, you're a fool.

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  • [–] [S] 14 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    It's true, they're likely far higher in occupied province of Taiwan and occupied Korea.

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  • [+] -16 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (19 children)

    Imagine being so naive that you believe the propaganda coming out of countries known for their well-documented disinformation policies.

    Edit: Imagine being so naive to think that a statement about one thing is somehow also a statement about other things not specifically mentioned. Y'all must clearly also have trouble with statements like "Black Lives Matter" don't you?

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  • [–] 26 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    Yes, it‘s truly insane that people trust the West so blindly, even though it’s well documented how the CIA and the West in general used misinformation and propaganda to destabilize communities and whole countries. Why should anyone think they ever stopped doing that? And what is it with their billionaires owned “free press”? Who would trust that?

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  • [–] [S] 25 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    You must be confused. I don't trust western propaganda one bit.

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  • [+] -11 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I think that's kind of the problem in general, the real issue is, the firewalls and controls. It's not about believing the western propoganda, but simply the lack of non-propoganda sources. IE how can you find out if finland's policies are better than america's.

    Hop into a public chat room, chat with someone from finland, or book a vacation to Finland or maybe find someone from Finland who's visiting or moved to the united states.

    Not something you can really do with North Korea.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago

    You can still talk to exchange students who attend Kim Il Sung university and other visitors to the DPRK. There are also those from the DPRK who work abroad, such as those in China, as well as those who live in New York for UN purposes.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

    That's exactly why I don't put stock in the insane mythologies put forward by capitalist oligarchies about their enemies.

    Well-documented

    Can I see some of this documentation?

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  • [+] -17 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Can I see some of this documentation?

    Sure. Go look it up for yourself. It isn't hard to find. You don't need my consent or permission to do your own homework. Nobody's going to do it for you.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    This is just the antivax "do your own research" but for defending the geopolitical opinions that were imprinted into you by Epsteinland🇺🇲🇮🇱 before you were old enough to ask questions, which is very on-brand for them.

    You made a claim, you back it up. Show me something.

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  • [–] [S] 16 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    To be fair, that's something a person who realizes that the western system is a failure, but still uncritically guzzles propaganda about western adversaries would believe.

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    What specific actions by Kim Jong Un equate him to Trump? The reason I ask is because, through cultural hegemony, we are trained in an almost Pavlovian way to immediately associate anything related to the DPRK as bad. We are not "free thinkers," the way we think is shaped by the ruling class in society. We have to be cognizant of this and constantly question whether we believe what we do based on facts, or "common sense," which is in reality ruling class ideology.

    Being able to name specific, concrete policies by Kim Jong Un you believe to be bad would help make this a more objective judgement. For example, how do you feel about the 20x10 policy? Is it harmful, beneficial, too ambitious, not ambitious enough? For Trump, it's very easy to point to the war on Iran, embargo on Cuba, expansion of ICE, etc. as actual problems, but when we think of Kim Jong Un, what policies actually come to mind as negative?

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Who told you that NK "sucks", and why do you trust them?

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    What about reporting from the DPRK makes it inherently less trustworthy?

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