And here we have the downside of the Singapore authoritianism.
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Love massive attack
I had to reread that headline a few times before I remembered Massive Attack is a band 😑
They just released a song with Tom Waits called Boots on the Ground, great song highly recommend
they broke a local law
i guess they think they and israel palestine is above that kind of thing. a common belief held by people like that
Saw their show the other night in Korea where they showed the same flag. The whole show was epic and laid out a lot of uncomfortable truths. The whole show is here for anyone interested: https://youtu.be/mW_c909VqVU
Massive attack is awesome, such a great experience to see their show. Much better than you would expect from a 35+ year old band.
Cuz ya know, if there's one thing Singapore is touchy about considering its long historical ties with the Middle East, it's Palestine and the fate of Jews and Arabs there.
Honestly, what do they care? Don't they have other things to worry about on the other side of the planet?
They care about enforcing censorship and keeping a lid on "politics" disrupting "social harmony". Once again Palestine is an issue that unearths the deeper fractures and contradictions in a society.
Also, guess which middle eastern country regularly sends their officers to train the Singaporean military? Hint: it's not Palestine
keeping a lid on “politics” disrupting “social harmony”
Also known as punishing people who talk back to authority.
So mini CCP, got ya.
They have put in proper rule of law, so not like ccp. And although it's defacto single party, it's not de jure. But yeah, freedom of expression-wise it's below average.
Rule of law is not so different from corruption in Singapore which literally just a tax haven. It goes from "I know a guy who'll take 100k to fix this" to "I know a guy who will incorporate a shell company for 100k to fix this". All it does it makes corruption exclusive to mega rich.
CCP is pro Palestine but go off
China is Israel's biggest exporter and 2nd biggest importer
CCP doesn't give a fuck about Gazans or they would embargo, it's just a retorical device for them.
You're not wrong but you'll notice that all the countries that have made the strongest criticisms toward Israel are present in that list, like Spain and Ireland. Trade and geopolitics aren't always compatible.
Yes but CCP controls all trade while it's much harder in free democracies. If CCP actually cares about something it is done immediately. Just take a look at trade war with the US, CCP is always 10 steps ahead because they can move so fast as they can't be held accountable. That's actually why there are so many autocracy proponents in the west now - "democracy is too slow, we're losing".
Yes, also true that the CPC is more effective in their decision-making. However, I'd like to claim that a free democracy never existed in the west -- at least not in a way that deserves to be described as such. This varies from country to country, but to put it in general terms, there is democracy in the west insofar that the populace doesn't stray too far away from capitalist doctrine.
The past two-three decades have shown that. No single people would like the housing prices to be as high as they are, or to live in societies where essential services are slowly picked apart by capital. When we vote, we can get the change we want as long as it's acceptable within the bounds of what the country's oligarchy want. And we are steadily under the assault of desinformation campaigns that demonise anything thats left of center -- something you can see in effect with every piece of propaganda hurled at China.
Every single mainstream party within every single western country has turned rightward, and you'd be hard-pressed to find a politician that runs on -- or delivers -- on leftist principles. That is the effect of capital in action. Capitalism cannot exist within democracy -- it will devour the will of people, soon or late.
And this is not to mention the extent to which supposedly free countries have oppressed their peoples for speaking up for the plight of the Palestinians.
What you see in the US is the inevitable result of letting capital exist within democracy.
So no -- "free democracies" don't exist in the west. The CPC, for all its faults, seems to do good by its people. They have high approval within the Chinese populace. And as long as it's American/Western actors accusing the CPC of whichever offense that they themselves were guilty of, and for fear of the emerging superpower that disproves their profit-driven economic models, then I won't believe it. And neither should you.
You and so many are so deluded by propaganda about China. I used to believe it until I saw how these same sources lied so they effortlessly about Gaza and Palestine. Then I went to China to see it for myself -- and it rocks. Housing is cheap, jobs are good and it's hard to believe this was sold to me as a dystopian dictatorship.
They have high approval within the Chinese populace.
Just like Trump has high approval among Fox viewers. Propaganda works.
You and so many are so deluded by propaganda about China.
And you're not? Or do you just like the taste of jackboot?
I've been to China many times too and it does not rock lmao. You've been eating propaganda and it shows. China is extremely oppressive and it's still incredibly underdeveloped despite LED covered cities you see on tiktok. It's still a matchmaker and status driven society from 20th century despite EV tech.
Also freedom is not binary, the west is more free than China ever was. At least I can type "LGBT" to my chat app which you cannot do in China because CCP autocrats deem it "western propaganda". None of this is a worthy sacrifice for faster decision making, I'd rather be slightly poorer but live in a healthier more free society.
You're a fool.
So if the west indeed is more free, why are people getting arrested, beaten, scolded and losing jobs for supporting Palestinians? Why are neo-Nazi parties rising, why is it ok to run politics solely based on hate for immigrants in every supposedly free society? I guess you're white and don't know what's it like to witness entire political movements dedicated to othering you.
Trump is the president of the US, farage and his like have millions demonstrating against Muslims in the UK, Sweden has Nazis on course to becoming the most popular party. Everyday I am bombarded with messaging reminding me that I'm vermin. Do you mean that a free society is consistent with fascists in every position of power?
And again, all the while this is happening, politics happen in ways that are not popular. Increased living costs, housing basically impossible to acquire, billionaires eating away at the working classes' right. The only solution these so called free societies offer is to blame minorities.
But I guess all of that is ok because you can write LGBTQ? Even tho the trend here is clearly taking us to a point in which the little rights gays have will be put into question?
As an aside: Chinese gay people exist and it is fully legal to be gay in China. So what is even your point?
So if the west indeed is more free, why are people getting arrested, beaten, scolded and losing jobs for supporting Palestinians
You are incapable of non-binary thinking? It's more free.
There are people much smarter than you or me who try to quantify freedoms and you know what's never doing well on these evaluations? China.
I write a whole comment for you to just take a snippet of, reply with snark and then send a link that ranks the US democracy index at 81/100.
I very much doubt the intelligence of these people if they call the US a "flawed democracy". It's an oligarchy that knows enough buzzwords to sound correct.
But sure. While China develops their economy, ensure their citizens are well and educated, and act as the only big power actually doing something about climate change, keep deluding yourself that the US is somehow better.
Stupid fucking American.
not an american but you keep on raging with your dumb tiktok propaganda in hand lmao
people say its money that makes the world go round, but I think its more accurate to say trade makes the world go round.
Gotta buy that surveillance software in order to reverse engineer it.
CCP is not pro anything. It's funny how autocracy founded on explicit design documents is one the biggest real politik actors out there.
"Oceania was at war with Eurasia: therefore Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia." - 1984
CCP officially justifies these as "use any means for achieving goals" and this is the entire party - just power for power sake. There's no actual ideology or consciousness - it's literally "The Party" from 1984. However I don't want to discredit Chinese people who actually do make meaningful change but it's in spite of CCP not because of it.
Well, theres this really insane military power that they're close trading partners with that really cares about their little ethnostate vassal.
Don’t they have other things to worry about on the other side of the planet?
Palestine-Singapore is not that far away compared to, say, Palestine-USA.
Thank God, I've been worried about a massive attack coming from Singapore for decades now. I'm so glad their nation decided to support Palestine instead of invading us.
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But I bet it would been totally cool if they flew an israeli flag.
When publicly stating alignment with Israel or Palestine, you have to choose if you want to be hated by the government, or the actual people on the street.
Possibly, but unlikely.
Singapore has a lot of very strict laws, and they apply them rigorously. Famously their drug possession laws have a ton of prison time, and often the death penalty for trafficking.
From the article, it is a very narrow but all encompassing law, originally passed in 1949 and the last update in 2021 predates the most recent conflict...
The decision is tied to Singapore’s policies on public speech, which prohibit publicly displaying foreign national emblems without a permit or exemption.
Singapore has strict laws because it's positioned as Switzerland of Asia but without actual country. It's a bland "nothing happens" here haven for billionaires. They get to store their wealth and their kids there exactly because nothing happens in Singapore and if something does happen the surveillance and lawyer state will inform and protect you.
In the grand scale of things maybe one can argue this is good for Asia? But imo it's disgusting and unethical, it's distilling society to it's worst parts of indifference and grifting. The only redeeming thing is academia which in itself managed to grift of this state but that's good, take something good back from these billionaires and their hiden bastards - maybe they can be turned into real people who actually care about the world they live in.
It always amazes me how different people and entities are held to different standards.
It's almost as if they are... different things.
Yeah. one of them are victims.
the other is the people trying to genocide them into nonexistence and getting away with it.
Ok my comment was very poorly phrased.
Different standards are applied to different countries.
Different standards are also applied to different people.
Singapore has always given me the creeps because of the whole conscription thing. This just feels indicative of that underlying rot.
I visit Singapore quite often and it's dystopian despite all the pretty parks and malls. The thing is it's dystopian but boring so people don't really notice it. The entire "country" is a tax and school haven for Asian billionaires, there's absolutely nothing else there.
They've only had 1 party rule, it's technically a democracy but it's as rigged as it can be without crossing the line into actual rigging.
Are they still allowed into the Schengen zone? If so, the German government will have some tough questions to answer regarding its Staatsräson obligations.
The German government is apparently blocking EU Sanctions to Israel but that's because it's pretty easy to block things in the EU.
Making the EU actually do things (such as banning this band from entering the Schengen zone) on the other hand is way more difficult since the other ones can block it (which Spain would almost certainly do it on this subject and many others would do simply because they're against blocking people to enter the EU just because one EU nation's government discords with them politically - the bullcrap about criticism of Israel being anti-semitism has very little traction in most of the EU and apparently judging by recent news it has no traction even in the German Justice system).
Every time something like this happens we need a map with a country that changes color
Oh so Singapore is controlled by baby bibi too
I doubt it actually, they're just real serious about their crazy laws and there's a crazy law about no foreign flags.
A subtle control many feel is the risk of conflict. The local church near us was our boxing location for boxes for the hungry and unhoused, and when they found out that the lead person on the food boxes program was also attending pro palestine rallies, they cut off their participation in food boxes. They arent a jewish temple, and they obviously have no jewish members, but they fear conflict with the jewish community or some backhanded impact from funders or their spouses. So they will have nothing to do with anyone who endangers a cent of their funding. In a way I get it, but its not great and we were disrupted for a bit so some people suffered. 501c3 boards dont deal with pressure or risk very well, and they avoid conflict at all costs.
Did you know that you can't get a massive attack on Singapore because it is ilegal?
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