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[–] 127 points 3 months ago* (33 children)

Misogyny is rife on Lemmy.

Post about feminism or women’s issues in LW communities and you see so many misogynists crawl out of the septic tank to have their say.

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  • [–] 103 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (17 children)

    I'll never forget how many men here were (and still are) butthurt about the man vs bear thing, writing 5000-word essays on how judgmental and stupid women are for choosing the bear.

    Or when the Tea app (the app where women could anonymously discuss about men they dated so they could warn others if there's any danger/red flag) was breached and the women in there was doxxed, the general sentiment here was "they deserved it bc they shittalk about men." This one was particularly funny bc usually Lemmy's all about privacy and security, except when the bad, bad women are the victims I guess!

    Or how one day ago, there was a post about why women gave out fake numbers and many of the comments agreeing, but some men still came in to say that the post was "rage bait."

    And if we point it out, we "are sexists" and "make feminism look bad" ☺️ Fun!

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  • [–] 22 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Bears are predictable. Men are not. The "men" are more than likely offended that someone would choose risking it with a bear than a random man (them).

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  • [–] 21 points 3 months ago

    The “men” are more than likely offended that someone would choose risking it with a bear than a random man (them).

    And instead of being inquisitive or empathetic about WHY women would choose a bear over a man, they blame women for being scared of men.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    I don't really know much about Tea, but isn't the entire point of the app to disclose information about other people without their consent? I can personally see why the pro-privacy crowd would dislike the users of that app. As someone familiar with DARVO and leery of gender essentialism, I also get skeeved out by Tea.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago

    I understood what the app was trying to do, but I also see how, if unmoderated, it can easily snowball into a cesspit very quickly. Not a huge fan of it myself.

    Still, some women may have been using it to warn others of potentially abusive men, and now they're in danger because their names and addresses are public, while Lemmy celebrated because "That's what you get for gossiping! There can't be a better punishment!"

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    There's ways to vocally dislike that type of privacy breach without attacking the users and claiming they deserve it for trying to help other women stay safe.

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    Yep. Gossip isn’t just idle talk. Gossip has historically been the way that women pass information to each other in the interest of keeping each other safer.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Gossip is also a means for women to abuse their ex-girlfriends. It's a serious problem in the gay community. It's called DARVO. If you know your ex is going to accuse you of abuse in the future, and you have no morals, you can shoot first and appropriate these defence mechanisms against your victim.

    Whisper networks have a tremendous potential to abuse women, especially trans women. It happened to Me, set off a chain of dominoes that lead to My ex-wife being raped, and ultimately left Me so riddled with trauma that I lost My career due to poor mental health. I was homeless.

    I don't want the women who use whisper networks to be punished. But I don't feel okay with whisper networks' existence. It feels like having a loaded gun on the table, and anyone who's a good enough liar can pick up that gun and use it to hurt someone. Usually, someone queer. Rowling's friends have done it.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    As with anything in life, there’s a balance to be struck. I don’t like the idea of shaming people sharing their experiences with past partners just as much as I don’t like the idea of targeting someone and spreading life-ruining lies about them as an act of abuse.

    The app, the whisper networks, yeah there’s a discussion there around whether they should exist or how they might exist in ways that don’t open the door to blatant abuse. But none of those users deserved to be doxxed and threatened for essentially trying to save others from potential pain.

    I’m sorry you experienced that kind of abuse. I understand why you’re uncomfortable with these networks. I hope things are better now <3

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Society associates femininity with vulnerability. So, a woman who performs femininity better, who's gender conforming, is believed easier. I'm nonbinary and arguably butch. I'm big and strong. And she was soft and small... When you're a transfemme, being big and strong makes you vulnerable. Femininity is social power.

    Not feeling very good rn...

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    hugs It’s a double-edged sword and I’m sorry it’s cut you. Everyone deserves to be respected regardless of how we present. Including and especially you because you matter.

    Be kind to yourself. We like you a lot around here.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    usually Lemmy’s all about privacy and security

    Q. Online age verification?

    A. Destruction of our privacy, end of society, we’re in the matrix; let’s riot.

    Q. Random woman asks a guy to stop following her around with his drone/camera/glasses?

    A. Men are visual learners. My drone is cool. No expectation of privacy. Touching my phone is assault. If you open your curtains I can film you in your house and it's legal. Also, women should follow men around with drones, because that will make them equals, there I fixed misogyny. etc.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I choose the bear because I like bears.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I chose the bear because the woods are where bears go. If I'm afraid of running into the pope I shouldn't go to the Vatican, if I'm afraid of running into a bear I should steer clear of forests where bears live. I'd rather run into a man than a bear walking through a city

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    That's a great point I never thought of.

    I'd rather be alone in the woods with a bear than a random man. But I'd rather be alone in the woods with a man ranger, or a fisherman, or a man ecologist, or an Aboriginal man engaging in traditional practices, or a man mycologist, or a man botanist, than a bear. Those men all have good reasons to be in the woods, so I bet they'll leave Me alone. Plus, I live in Australia, so a bear in the woods is pretty strange.

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  • [–] 33 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    LW? Is that lemmy.world?

    My finger frequently finds itself hovering over the "block entire instance" button for that site, and a few others.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Oh where is that button? I think I want to experience my online bubble without .world. There's enough to keep me busy in the real world and I'm curious how it would change my lemmy experience. The last influx of reddit refugees has made lemmy a bit too reddity I think.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    I use the default lemmy-ui on desktop so this won't help if you use an app or something.

    Click your display name in the top right, select settings, select the "Blocks" tab, scroll down to "Block instance" and type lemmy.world in the box, and then watch your lemmy experience improve tenfold.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    It can be a meh instance sometimes, but I'm yet to find another offering an old.reddit style UI.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago

    I don't use reddit so I've never had an attachment to any generation of its UI. I just look at the kinds of people (including the manchild that just popped in here to brag about how he was about to get instabanned) on that instance and start doing some statistical calculus and ... the finger hovers.

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  • [+] 21 points 3 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 17 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    So many on the Fediverse have this adverse reaction to defederation, but I think we’re reaching the point where instances need to start being more selective and cutting off those who don’t take serious effort to curb this behaviour in their userbase.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago

    I don't miss the "bear or man" discourse days, but I'm glad they happened. Lot of lemmys went mask off with their rage and indignation. All with so little self awareness not seeing these outbursts is what makes unknown men in the woods dangerous.

    I hate it here. 🫠

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    [–] 81 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    It's constant in lemmy and it's scary. Misogyny is everywhere but parts of lemmy are cesspits for it. And unsurprisingly there's been several manosphere sorts in this thread.

    Fashion? No interest. Gardening? No interest. Feminism? RABID COMMENTING

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  • [–] 29 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    I don't encounter it much but that's probably bc Blåhaj has a good block list. I harden it a bit with my own custom blocks, though, using keywords.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago

    It'll always be constant on places like these because they get banned everywhere else. They jump to the next thing and then land somewhere, like here, where they can make their own instance or whatever or just make new accounts over and over. It's the same with the tankies, zionists etc.

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  • [–] 63 points 3 months ago* (5 children)

    God, a lot of comments in that post are disgusting. "She's still attractive to me." "I can't fantasize about cuddling with her anymore without thinking about bumping into her bones."

    This stuff is why I don't comment much on Lemmy.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I can't find the post. (Lemmy search is ... vestigial.)

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    This stuff is why I don't comment much on Lemmy.

    Same. I used to post more, under previous accounts, calling out sexism and misogyny on Lemmy when I saw it. But when my simple, respectful posts calling out toxic behavior got more downvotes than upvotes, I decided it wasn't worth my time to try and change the collective thinking on Lemmy.

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  • [–] 58 points 3 months ago* (18 children)

    I was tempted to make a similar post. The other day there was a thread where guys where saying that it’s okay to look up a woman’s skirt when she goes up stairs, because “if she’s wearing a skirt, that implies consent.” Then when I replied saying that’s “rapist thinking,” people came in (probably deliberately) misinterpreting it as if I was calling OP a rapist. No, saying something someone wears is “giving consent” is literally how rapists think.

    It immediately reminded me of all the guys that come on here and go, “I don’t see misogyny on Lemmy.” Meanwhile I got downvoted and I had to go back to edit my comment to make my point crystal clear. Even the more sane replies try to make it the woman’s problem to solve, like the guy saying we should kick a guy who’s staring up our skirts. As if we’d even be aware of it when they’re walking behind us?

    Needless to say, it’s got me second-guessing wearing a skirt now. Goodness forbid I need to go up a flight of stairs while some dingdong like these guys happens to be behind me.

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  • [–] 37 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Naomi Wu (RealSexyCyborg over on the Nazi Bar Site before she got silenced) came up with a "downskirt camera" that took pictures of men taking upskirt photos, the idea being that women could wear one of those and start posting the pervs on social media for their loved ones to be disappointed in.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago

    Yeah, that thread about looking up people's skirts was just insanely disgusting, it made me ashamed to share a social network with those people. The Grande one was quite bad as well. It's making me rethink Lemmy usage, maybe I should just quit social media altogether.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Wow, just fucking wow. Especially the Fedora wearing dipshit who started with the line "Clothing IS the responsibility of the wearer" think he's so fucking goddamn reasonable and then going on a long stupid diatribe to justify his bullshit thinking. And people upvoted that nonsense.

    Do better Lemmy. 🫩

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    It's gross. A low cut shirt does not equal consent to be leered at. The only thing you're accepting by wearing a low cut shirt is that people will see more skin when they glance at you than they otherwise would. Looking in your direction is fine. Leering is not.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    the guy at least got downvoted and you got upvoted so seems like the majority agreed with you

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Follow the thread. See how many users jumped in to justify his comment and defend him? See how the votes work out there?

    Yeah.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    Seems like most of the shitty comments ended up downvoted too. I'm not saying it doesn't suck, but at least there are people not agreeing with the chud.

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  • [–] 52 points 3 months ago* (7 children)

    Recently had a man complain about the topics I post about. That by reposting stories about violence against women, I’m actually attacking men because while the news stories are true, I shouldn’t be highlighting them at the frequency I do. It makes men overall look like predators.

    Women are always the problem for speaking up about problematic men while the men are always worth defending no matter what.

    Hell, we have community members actively try to quiet other women in here for asking men to respect the rules.

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  • [–] 21 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Oh I love when people chastise me for my content on a platform where anyone can post whatever they want. Thankfully, if they want to see more pro-men content, they can look in literally any comment section outside of this community.

    By the way, are we talking about yesterday? That was a real special conversation. Like misogynist trolls need any more fucking allies.

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  • [–] 21 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

    I am indeed talking about yesterday. I notice when people are quick to silence women speaking up but never say anything to the men breaking the rules. There have been times I’ve been told the bickering in this comm is not pleasant, but the alternative is allowing men to force their sexist opinions in here with no one speaking out against it to show it’s not ok.

    Silence is complicity imo.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    9/10 posts here are the most pleasant conversations I've seen on this platform.

    I appreciate the backup when they're not.

    People who choose their battles still have my respect, not everyone has the energy for negative interactions. I don't mind silence as much as picking the wrong side.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago*

    Actually yeah, I’m all for people choosing their battles and that line in my comment is rigid. Silence in the face of the offense while trying to silence others is more about complicity than just silence.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago*

    People who choose their battles still have my respect, not everyone has the energy for negative interactions.

    I appreciate you. Thanks for taking the time to say that.

    Contrary to the spirit of the Fediverse (as I understand it - no offense intended) I don't assume Good Faith intentions. There’s absolutely a blatant ongoing global campaign to make women things again – the architects and amplifiers are open and vocal about it with each other - and no one’s immune to accelerationism.

    I've got no patience for male-presenting user accounts endlessly amplifying their gender wars in every available online space, child rape jokes about "the Epstein files" like it's brave activism, drip-feed trigger content in everyone's doomscroll... It's all SO heartbreaking and shit's already so dire.

    Media literacy for me in 2026 is equal parts rtfa and blocking. Just for basic mental health (and to slow down the accelerationism - idk if it works). I used to tag user accounts on reddit with RES, but really dgaf enough to bother anymore.

    Truth is, the ONLY reason I open a comment section anywhere when the subject's "horrible things happening to women" is to bulk up my blocklist with all the user accounts who go there to play Kick the Dolly or Debate Club (so I don't accidentally take them at face value when they pop up elsewhere). No quarter.

    -Maybe this is true but I don't see it. - block -That's sad but the victim is problematic so we probably shouldn't care. - block
    -That's sad but the victim should've known better so we probably shouldn't care. - block -Why aren’t we talking about this other thing over there? – block
    -Sure but it's worse when women - block
    -No war but the class war, amirite ladies? - blockblockblock

    From user account spujb 2 years ago - https://files.catbox.moe/c8i4xx.jpeg

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago*

    I would call that "a valid point in theory, but not in practice."

    Racists for example do use selective reporting to demonize minority groups. TERFS for example will run entire sites that do nothing but report on the crimes of trans women. Because in any group of sufficient size, there will be saints and sinners among them. You can demonize a minority group by simply selectively reporting the truth. The Nazis ran papers that did nothing but report on real crimes committed by actual Jewish people....and not the crimes of anyone else. By doing so they subtly convinced people that Jews were innately criminal. So yes, in theory, only reporting on the crimes of one group can be a tool of instigating hate.

    But this fails in practice in this case. You're not going to convince anyone to hate men by only reporting on the violent crimes of men. In fact, even if you reported every crime committed, the vast majority of your stories would feature men, as the vast majority of violent crimes are committed by men. This kind of tactic works to demonize a small misunderstood minority group. It's not going to convince anyone to start hating a group that's half the population.

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  • [–] 51 points 3 months ago (16 children)

    There are people claiming there isn't much misogyny on lemmy? Have they been here?

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  • [–] 40 points 3 months ago

    They have, but they're men so they don't see it because it's not directed at them.

    Of course if even the slightest hint of criticism of men shows up, they feel personally attacked and it's misandry.

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  • [–] 36 points 3 months ago* (14 children)

    It's like early reddit in here. Bunch of nerdy gamer mysogynists. At least everyone feels like real people.

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  • [–] 25 points 3 months ago (13 children)

    Yeah I love it for feeling real, but I do miss the mid-late 10s reddit era, not the early reddit era.

    The thing I missed most when switching over here is women's spaces

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago* (5 children)

    There's !womensstuff@piefed.blahaj.zone and probably others.

    EDIT: (fuck didn't realize I was already here lollll need to pay more attention)

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    That's this place :)

    Do you know of any others?

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    There's !badwomensanatomy@lemmy.blahaj.zone (for making fun of ignorant people). That's the only one I've seen much of although just searching for "women" and filtering for communities on a preferred instance seems to be a good start.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    The thing I missed most when switching over here is women’s spaces

    Saaaaame. So much the same here. Which is another reason I'm such a pain in the ass when sexism is allowed here. Because I want to help build a space that welcomes women as well.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    And it's like, if we (humans, collectively) want to make our spaces welcoming and safe, then we (again, humans) need to actively police our spaces to enforce the kind of social norms that we want; community building takes work, after all.

    But bloody hell, it's exhausting when that typically just means that we (women) are expected to do a disproportionate amount of the emotional and social labour. Quelle surprise

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I was just lamenting about how there is no menopause or woman focused communities here

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    We chat about perimenopause and menopause here in womensstuff if you’d like to join in.

    I hope the fediverse grows large enough to have these more specific communities start to flourish!

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    Is there going to be a gentrification that happens when forums get larger or attract more users?

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    In some ways, I hope so. There should be some second thinking happening before comments are posted, particularly those looking for a quick joke at the expense of a marginalized group.

    Framing it as gentrification is interesting.

    gentrification (noun) gen·​tri·​fi·​ca·​tion ˌjen-trə-fə-ˈkā-shən

    : a process in which a poor area (as of a city) experiences an influx of middle-class or wealthy people who renovate and rebuild homes and businesses and which often results in an increase in property values and the displacement of earlier, usually poorer residents

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Yeah. Right now lemmy is more like the bad part of town where your parents get worried you live there, but it's got its own character even if you do assume every loud noise is a gunshot and can't buy groceries nearby. More diverse perspectives and interests are like when a cultural center goes in and after school programs get implemented and suddenly there's more artists moving in.

    I don't think lemmy will ever become the equivalent of when you walk through a rough neighborhood you used to live in and think that you couldn't afford to live there anymore despite you not being poor anymore.

    But I do think it has the potential to have active niche communities and a larger user base. And I think communities like this are part of it. By making more of "girl lemmy" with communities like this, and maybe even some women focused (rather than exclusive) meme communities and such we can make lemmy less unappealing to women who might be interested in what this app really has to offer. Aside from that interest posting and commenting is great.

    And one of the best parts is that people who want the old lemmy feel can create isolated instances focused on ensuring that feeling remains.

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  • [–] 48 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    it's massive on Lemmy. any time you bring up an issue women have consistently faced in a patriarchal society, there's people crawling out of the woodworks with the "not all men" bs.

    it's interesting, in my experience there's enough knowledge of feminism on Lemmy for men to acknowledge that these things are issues, but most of those men don't seem ready to accept that they can help implement actual change by calling out their friends and family. instead, it devolves to rhetoric that serves only to deepen the societal divide they claim to be against. definitely disappointing from a progressive and leftist platform.

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    [–] 45 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Tell me you're not a woman without telling me you're not a woman.

    there's not much misogyny on Lemmy

    Well done!

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  • [–] 35 points 3 months ago

    I know, right?

    I was told there was very little racism on Mastodon. In the meantime I was looking over my filters set up specifically to get rid of most of the Sinophobes on Mastodon...

    Now there's very little misogyny on Lemmy. And here we are in the group that gets flooded with misogyny any time someone says something bad about men without some way of placating the other "good" men.

    It's so wearying.

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