Misogyny is rife on Lemmy.
Post about feminism or women’s issues in LW communities and you see so many misogynists crawl out of the septic tank to have their say.
Misogyny is rife on Lemmy.
Post about feminism or women’s issues in LW communities and you see so many misogynists crawl out of the septic tank to have their say.
It's constant in lemmy and it's scary. Misogyny is everywhere but parts of lemmy are cesspits for it. And unsurprisingly there's been several manosphere sorts in this thread.
Fashion? No interest. Gardening? No interest. Feminism? RABID COMMENTING
I don't encounter it much but that's probably bc Blåhaj has a good block list. I harden it a bit with my own custom blocks, though, using keywords.
It'll always be constant on places like these because they get banned everywhere else. They jump to the next thing and then land somewhere, like here, where they can make their own instance or whatever or just make new accounts over and over. It's the same with the tankies, zionists etc.
God, a lot of comments in that post are disgusting. "She's still attractive to me." "I can't fantasize about cuddling with her anymore without thinking about bumping into her bones."
This stuff is why I don't comment much on Lemmy.
I can't find the post. (Lemmy search is ... vestigial.)
This stuff is why I don't comment much on Lemmy.
Same. I used to post more, under previous accounts, calling out sexism and misogyny on Lemmy when I saw it. But when my simple, respectful posts calling out toxic behavior got more downvotes than upvotes, I decided it wasn't worth my time to try and change the collective thinking on Lemmy.
That sounds great! Sometimes I want that too. I think downvotes have value when the content presented is misinformation, as a warning to people that a post should not be trusted and should be avoided. But that could also be accomplished by responding to the post.
I was tempted to make a similar post. The other day there was a thread where guys where saying that it’s okay to look up a woman’s skirt when she goes up stairs, because “if she’s wearing a skirt, that implies consent.” Then when I replied saying that’s “rapist thinking,” people came in (probably deliberately) misinterpreting it as if I was calling OP a rapist. No, saying something someone wears is “giving consent” is literally how rapists think.
It immediately reminded me of all the guys that come on here and go, “I don’t see misogyny on Lemmy.” Meanwhile I got downvoted and I had to go back to edit my comment to make my point crystal clear. Even the more sane replies try to make it the woman’s problem to solve, like the guy saying we should kick a guy who’s staring up our skirts. As if we’d even be aware of it when they’re walking behind us?
Needless to say, it’s got me second-guessing wearing a skirt now. Goodness forbid I need to go up a flight of stairs while some dingdong like these guys happens to be behind me.
Naomi Wu (RealSexyCyborg over on the Nazi Bar Site before she got silenced) came up with a "downskirt camera" that took pictures of men taking upskirt photos, the idea being that women could wear one of those and start posting the pervs on social media for their loved ones to be disappointed in.
The number of upvotes some of those replies got... Yeah, there's definitely no misogyny on Lemmy! /s
Thanks for linking to the comments. I’ve got that user tagged now for future reference lol
It’s nice to know I can dismiss their comments immediately.
Yeah, that thread about looking up people's skirts was just insanely disgusting, it made me ashamed to share a social network with those people. The Grande one was quite bad as well. It's making me rethink Lemmy usage, maybe I should just quit social media altogether.
I was there in the trenches on that day! And I tried to persuade a man to have empathy for his wife!
Holy shit. How can anyone make that argument without feeling disgusting? Sounds like I make the right choice to rediscover Tumblr and mostly leave Lemmy
Wow, just fucking wow. Especially the Fedora wearing dipshit who started with the line "Clothing IS the responsibility of the wearer" think he's so fucking goddamn reasonable and then going on a long stupid diatribe to justify his bullshit thinking. And people upvoted that nonsense.
Do better Lemmy.
It's gross. A low cut shirt does not equal consent to be leered at. The only thing you're accepting by wearing a low cut shirt is that people will see more skin when they glance at you than they otherwise would. Looking in your direction is fine. Leering is not.
I learned in highschool that men see skirts as consent to view our underwear. Since then I’ve only worn skorts, or skirts with shorts underneath.
the guy at least got downvoted and you got upvoted so seems like the majority agreed with you
Follow the thread. See how many users jumped in to justify his comment and defend him? See how the votes work out there?
Yeah.
Seems like most of the shitty comments ended up downvoted too. I'm not saying it doesn't suck, but at least there are people not agreeing with the chud.
Have you ever heard of the expression “death by a thousand cuts”?
It's gone up, possibly from visible here. When I first posted, the numbers weren't looking so good.
Recently had a man complain about the topics I post about. That by reposting stories about violence against women, I’m actually attacking men because while the news stories are true, I shouldn’t be highlighting them at the frequency I do. It makes men overall look like predators.
Women are always the problem for speaking up about problematic men while the men are always worth defending no matter what.
Hell, we have community members actively try to quiet other women in here for asking men to respect the rules.
Oh I love when people chastise me for my content on a platform where anyone can post whatever they want. Thankfully, if they want to see more pro-men content, they can look in literally any comment section outside of this community.
By the way, are we talking about yesterday? That was a real special conversation. Like misogynist trolls need any more fucking allies.
I am indeed talking about yesterday. I notice when people are quick to silence women speaking up but never say anything to the men breaking the rules. There have been times I’ve been told the bickering in this comm is not pleasant, but the alternative is allowing men to force their sexist opinions in here with no one speaking out against it to show it’s not ok.
Silence is complicity imo.
9/10 posts here are the most pleasant conversations I've seen on this platform.
I appreciate the backup when they're not.
People who choose their battles still have my respect, not everyone has the energy for negative interactions. I don't mind silence as much as picking the wrong side.
Actually yeah, I’m all for people choosing their battles and that line in my comment is rigid. Silence in the face of the offense while trying to silence others is more about complicity than just silence.
People who choose their battles still have my respect, not everyone has the energy for negative interactions.
I appreciate you. Thanks for taking the time to say that.
Contrary to the spirit of the Fediverse (as I understand it - no offense intended) I don't assume Good Faith intentions. There’s absolutely a blatant ongoing global campaign to make women things again – the architects and amplifiers are open and vocal about it with each other - and no one’s immune to accelerationism.
I've got no patience for male-presenting user accounts endlessly amplifying their gender wars in every available online space, child rape jokes about "the Epstein files" like it's brave activism, drip-feed trigger content in everyone's doomscroll... It's all SO heartbreaking and shit's already so dire.
Media literacy for me in 2026 is equal parts rtfa and blocking. Just for basic mental health (and to slow down the accelerationism - idk if it works). I used to tag user accounts on reddit with RES, but really dgaf enough to bother anymore.
Truth is, the ONLY reason I open a comment section anywhere when the subject's "horrible things happening to women" is to bulk up my blocklist with all the user accounts who go there to play Kick the Dolly or Debate Club (so I don't accidentally take them at face value when they pop up elsewhere). No quarter.
-Maybe this is true but I don't see it. - block
-That's sad but the victim is problematic so we probably shouldn't care. - block
-That's sad but the victim should've known better so we probably shouldn't care. - block
-Why aren’t we talking about this other thing over there? – block
-Sure but it's worse when women - block
-No war but the class war, amirite ladies? - blockblockblock
From user account spujb 2 years ago - https://files.catbox.moe/c8i4xx.jpeg
I would call that "a valid point in theory, but not in practice."
Racists for example do use selective reporting to demonize minority groups. TERFS for example will run entire sites that do nothing but report on the crimes of trans women. Because in any group of sufficient size, there will be saints and sinners among them. You can demonize a minority group by simply selectively reporting the truth. The Nazis ran papers that did nothing but report on real crimes committed by actual Jewish people....and not the crimes of anyone else. By doing so they subtly convinced people that Jews were innately criminal. So yes, in theory, only reporting on the crimes of one group can be a tool of instigating hate.
But this fails in practice in this case. You're not going to convince anyone to hate men by only reporting on the violent crimes of men. In fact, even if you reported every crime committed, the vast majority of your stories would feature men, as the vast majority of violent crimes are committed by men. This kind of tactic works to demonize a small misunderstood minority group. It's not going to convince anyone to start hating a group that's half the population.
There are people claiming there isn't much misogyny on lemmy? Have they been here?
They have, but they're men so they don't see it because it's not directed at them.
Of course if even the slightest hint of criticism of men shows up, they feel personally attacked and it's misandry.
It's like early reddit in here. Bunch of nerdy gamer mysogynists. At least everyone feels like real people.
Yeah I love it for feeling real, but I do miss the mid-late 10s reddit era, not the early reddit era.
The thing I missed most when switching over here is women's spaces
There's !womensstuff@piefed.blahaj.zone and probably others.
EDIT: (fuck didn't realize I was already here lollll need to pay more attention)
You know I've heard a lot about that place :p
Fr though I'd much rather this kind of people not knowing they're here than the majority of what we get lol
That's this place :)
Do you know of any others?
There's !badwomensanatomy@lemmy.blahaj.zone (for making fun of ignorant people). That's the only one I've seen much of although just searching for "women" and filtering for communities on a preferred instance seems to be a good start.
The thing I missed most when switching over here is women’s spaces
Saaaaame. So much the same here. Which is another reason I'm such a pain in the ass when sexism is allowed here. Because I want to help build a space that welcomes women as well.
And it's like, if we (humans, collectively) want to make our spaces welcoming and safe, then we (again, humans) need to actively police our spaces to enforce the kind of social norms that we want; community building takes work, after all.
But bloody hell, it's exhausting when that typically just means that we (women) are expected to do a disproportionate amount of the emotional and social labour. Quelle surprise
I was just lamenting about how there is no menopause or woman focused communities here
Is there going to be a gentrification that happens when forums get larger or attract more users?
In some ways, I hope so. There should be some second thinking happening before comments are posted, particularly those looking for a quick joke at the expense of a marginalized group.
Framing it as gentrification is interesting.
gentrification (noun) gen·tri·fi·ca·tion ˌjen-trə-fə-ˈkā-shən
: a process in which a poor area (as of a city) experiences an influx of middle-class or wealthy people who renovate and rebuild homes and businesses and which often results in an increase in property values and the displacement of earlier, usually poorer residents
Yeah. Right now lemmy is more like the bad part of town where your parents get worried you live there, but it's got its own character even if you do assume every loud noise is a gunshot and can't buy groceries nearby. More diverse perspectives and interests are like when a cultural center goes in and after school programs get implemented and suddenly there's more artists moving in.
I don't think lemmy will ever become the equivalent of when you walk through a rough neighborhood you used to live in and think that you couldn't afford to live there anymore despite you not being poor anymore.
But I do think it has the potential to have active niche communities and a larger user base. And I think communities like this are part of it. By making more of "girl lemmy" with communities like this, and maybe even some women focused (rather than exclusive) meme communities and such we can make lemmy less unappealing to women who might be interested in what this app really has to offer. Aside from that interest posting and commenting is great.
And one of the best parts is that people who want the old lemmy feel can create isolated instances focused on ensuring that feeling remains.
it's massive on Lemmy. any time you bring up an issue women have consistently faced in a patriarchal society, there's people crawling out of the woodworks with the "not all men" bs.
it's interesting, in my experience there's enough knowledge of feminism on Lemmy for men to acknowledge that these things are issues, but most of those men don't seem ready to accept that they can help implement actual change by calling out their friends and family. instead, it devolves to rhetoric that serves only to deepen the societal divide they claim to be against. definitely disappointing from a progressive and leftist platform.
People are happy to spout slogans like "ACAB" and "Eat the rich!", but once they are faced with something that asks them to change their behavior, the hackles go up and they get all defensive.
Hard agree with your comment. Another phrase I keep reading when any women's issue comes up: 'Sounds like gender war bullshit to me', or some other expression of the same idea, and I absolutely hate it.
Not all men definitely means “some men” so let’s talk about that right?
I dunno, I spend most of my time on .ml, hexbear, and the grad so sexism tends to get called out better there
Tell me you're not a woman without telling me you're not a woman.
there's not much misogyny on Lemmy
Well done!
I know, right?
I was told there was very little racism on Mastodon. In the meantime I was looking over my filters set up specifically to get rid of most of the Sinophobes on Mastodon...
Now there's very little misogyny on Lemmy. And here we are in the group that gets flooded with misogyny any time someone says something bad about men without some way of placating the other "good" men.
It's so wearying.
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