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[–] 137 points 3 months ago (51 children)

Makes sense, Reddit feels like a shell of it's former self.

After the apicalypse many subs seems to have died, also the new UI that has been pushed for a decade or so, seems to promote consumption of content and discourage creation of content, further reducing new content.

Reddit has been many, many times by AI companies, why keep scanning if the content stays 98% the same, with most new content being of mostly lower quality, simply due to people posting AI shit.

This was a very predictable outcome.

As soon as Reddit's history got scanned by AI models, it lost 98% of it's future value.

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  • [–] 41 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

    Never forget that they killed the API for a mere $60M AI deal.

    Like, if spez apologized and restored API access, and made an effort to kick fascists off the platform, I might consider going back. But as is, I will watch with glee as he fucks over everyone stupid enough to buy his IPO.

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  • [–] 30 points 3 months ago

    Besides apologizing and changing course, spez would need to leave before I considered going back. The way he behaved during the API BS ended my capacity to trust him in any way. Reddit as an organization, maybe they can turn things around and return to their purported values, but spez is not an honest person and will do or say anything if it serves his own interests.

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  • [–] 25 points 3 months ago

    60M USD is insanely cheap for that data, remember, it was categorized and structured into threads and subthreads in specific categories, not to mention all different languages already being mostly sorted and ready for consumption.

    They could probably have got a few hundred million USD for it if they held out longer.

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  • [–] [S] 60 points 3 months ago (19 children)

    Don't forget that you can't use VPN now, use the web version on mobile, and most accounts gets banned as soon as they are created by the automod.

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  • [–] 47 points 3 months ago* (12 children)

    You also cannot view it without being logged in now. Which gets a groan from everyone in chat when a friend shares a Reddit link.

    I have no clue why they decided chasing off users and being less useful was somehow going to help them. Particularly when they were the place to go for huge segments of the population.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    You can still browse anonymously with red reader. Suggest getting it off f-Droid, but it's also on the play store. No iPhone version though.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Firefox (including the one on Android) has extension called libredirect which... redirects to those privacy oriented frontends for lurking.

    I was heavily addicted to Reddit and I'm glad they allowed me gradually get off of it with the API (never installed their app) and now blocking read only access (which made me use libredirect).

    Given that content quality is also degrading I never felt urge to to use the app, now I don't log in (using the lurking portals makes it more disruptive to leave a comment, I always log in using private tab) and I suspect I eventually will stop using even that (there's only few subreddits that I am still interested in).

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    You can without being logged in, but not old reddit. If you’re getting the β€œjoin the most alive place on the net” (lol) popup, ublock has optional anti-annoyance filters that fix it.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Is that pop-up on the "new" Reddit?

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Yeeeh. There’s a β€œoh you gotta log in” pop up on β€œnew” reddit now, and old reddit makes you log in. Site’s gone to shit

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  • [–] 28 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Just within the last week or so old.reddit.com was effectively disabled and stopped working. (I think it might work if you log in, but i quit doing that 3 years ago). It was a nice resource and it’s said that it’s such a shell of what it was. Right when the internet is really needing human voices too

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    They are only doing one segment of users at a time and I'm guessing their metrics are telling them 90% of those users don't play ball and just stop visiting. I'm guessing they might go back on it in a bit.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Doubtful. It was inevitable that they would do that eventually.

    Users using old.reddit are undoubtedly the least valuable users.

    They wouldn't turn it off for everyone all at once in order to avoid creating a large number of upset users all at once.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    They fingerprint your device, if you get a new phone or reset i (you can restore, just logout on safari and clear cache, use a new user, etc. google automatically logging me back in to an alt that got banned alongside my main got it banned) I'd just quit and find better hobbies, reddit feels like it isn't a waste of time but it really is.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah it is a waste of time and I have been seeing that more since switching back to the fediverse.

    Also thanks to the mods of /r/worldnews for helping kick my reddit checking addiction since I got banned and keep getting flagged as ban evasion lmaoooo

    Fuck spez and etcetera

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  • [–] 24 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

    I swear Reddit started changing as soon as Trump won. I think reddit did such a great job of exposing Republican lies and grifts that some rich ass hole just said we will express interest in investing if you start censoring your content and now here we are

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    It feels like the decent into fascism started there in general. We need to backlash so hard we make up for lost time and then some. Fuck conservatives for subjecting us to this, and fuck "centrist" liberals foe enabling them every step along the way

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Was always going to happen.

    The most valuable data is always going to be on open platforms that prioritize ease of use, because that's where people will go. But then the company starts looking at all that data and how much it's worth.

    Before they can charge people for it, they have to make sure no one can get it for free. But in doing so chase off the users who were making that content.

    Leaving them with a locked down worthless ecosystem.

    Nothing is meant to last forever tho, and reddit won't be the last.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    reminds me of how Gaia Online's user run economy crashed so hard due to Admin mismanagement that it became a cautionary tale in economy textbooks. https://youtu.be/vyzQnsa8SA0

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    The Gaia economy shitshow is absolutely crazy. I had quit before it really fell apart but even in like 2006 it was clear the market was unhealthy.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago*

    I actually walked away when i got big into Minecraft and mostly switched to reddit because the Minecraft community is truly gargantuan over there. Infact, it's one of Reddit's main pillars of user engagement and the de facto off game community connection. I rewatched that video and the whole time I was going "Reddit is doing the same thing! Reddit is making the same mistakes! HOLY SHIT HISTORY IS REPEATING!!" When the owners of any social media platform stops listening to their user base, or worse, thinks they know what's "better" for them, it's the beginning of the end. It's like all those Celebrities that start resenting their fans or think they (the fans) OWE them (the celebrity).

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Your last paragraph is a major point that I think a lot of people don't think about, and I'm surprised Reddits executive team didn't bail as soon as the AI was finishing the scrapes.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    They didn't need to bail since they did the IPO and could just sell their shares. I haven't kept an eye on how much insider selling has gone on but I am sure they all have made bank over this past year, it is public info if anyone feels like looking it up. I would expect if the stock prices continues to tank and stays down you will start seeing executives abandon ship for greener pastures.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    They have their own AI, but it’s an eyesore that undermines searching in a mobile browser. They added it after an update further deteriorated the Reddit App experience.

    So they:

    1. further enshittified the app,
    2. put AI in the search bar.

    And that’s within the last year or so.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    not to mention the NSFW purge. Like it or not, that was a HUGE part of reddit's success.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago

    I hope they purge piracy, roms, emulation. Currently that is a huge valuable resource, and getting rid of that might lead to those users coming here. Those types of contributors are the ones who add value with their content.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Wait what did they do to the NSFW subs? They were still active when I was banned a few years ago

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    they removed the r/nsfwrandom search string, and banned hundreds of the NSFW subreddits due to "lack of moderation." You can still go to many of them, (that remain) but you have to actively punch the subreddit into your address bar, and then you can only link to other related subreddits through the Subreddits' own link list (which is only up to date if you're lucky). Searching for them is still possible but access is a crapshoot due to the aforementioned subreddit bans.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    What? I remember years ago when making maps of Reddit community connections was all the rage. On the maps weighted by posts and subscribers, it looked like Reddit had a sizeable NSFW section. On the ones weighted on traffic it looked like Reddit was a porn site with some other special interest forums.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago

    They killed off the old ones by timebombing the subs with strict requirements for activity. They started complying with takedowns, which nuked wide swaths of NSFW reddit. The death of gfycat was another sudden and massive removal of content.

    The NSFW part of reddit didn't go away though. It's transformed into OnlyFan spam. So it's not really porn. It's redlight district ads. Hot local girls want to meet you!

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  • [–] 127 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    I don't browse Reddit since I switched entirely to Lemmy the day the API migration happened, but I did still reluctantly have to reference reddit on occasion. Now I can't even do that for niche issues I run into. I am so upset that millions of people donated their time and energy into making Reddit the place it was just to have all of that entirely gated off. I know we're likely all in the same boat, but there really are no words for what spez did. He ruined a really great place for community and knowledge and turned it into a slop fest.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago*

    My usecase is this: To see what both they, the people in power want us to see, and to see what users say in reaction to it. I see a lot of luigiposting on the comments, a lot of pro-socialism, a lot of pissed off reactions to bad corpodem takes, and I see way, far less pro-Trump or even middling takes on the front page, at least. I'm sure there are still righty/tankie subs, but it ain't 2024 anymore.

    You guys scarecly change your opinions, most of us are leftists, were when we got here and if we werent, we are now, in some shade at least. Reddit goes in flux a lot and seeing how much bluer their community is than 2024 does make me grin a little.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago (12 children)

    Is this a real thing? I can still access both new and old reddit via both mobile and desktop without being logged in. FWIW, I'm hitting it with Firefox + uBlock Origin on both.

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  • [–] 21 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    It depends on your location and who you are.

    A while back, I did an experiment. Reddit started asking me to log in to scroll, so I closed the window and didn't try again that day. Next day, I tried to scroll reddit and the login to view popup appeared again. So I closed the window and didn't look at reddit for a week. After a week, I went on reddit and magically it no longer worried about me logging in...for about a month.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    They do A/B testing where they put one feature in front of some folks and a different feature in front of others so they can gather data about what people will and won't tolerate. Between that and the massive tracking they do with IP addresses for people going around account bans, and there's no real way to know if they were targeting you through cookies/IP, or if you just fell into different groups.

    I don't think they put a lot of thought into what'll that do for some of the subreddits that are for desperate people looking for advice since two people back to back won't get the same advice. There's no way to swap notes, no reddit-of-record, and now all that good advice (and some of it was good) is locked away. It warms my cold dead heart to see their stock tank because they don't deserve the best of their users.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago* (4 children)

    Essentially yes, my thinking was simply that it's A/B/C/D/E/F/G/H...etc testing.

    I had reddit accounts in the past, though I deleted them all and stopped participating about 2-3 years ago. My assumption is that my passive scrolling was connected to previous accounts through IP, device ID, proximity to other devices, other accounts, typing cadence, etc., and I fell in the category of "maybe we can entice them back".

    I also agree that reddit likely made the decision to sacrifice a lot of high quality low engagement content for the purposes of mass market engagement farming. It's sad as shit. I've got copies of wikipedia from back in the day, but I never thought to download reddit.

    Edit: Uhh, maybe there should be a group doing annual backups of lemmy. It's a nice place now, but so was reddit.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Edit: Uhh, maybe there should be a group doing annual backups of lemmy.

    I'm sure there are a bunch of people who are a lot more knowledgeable about it, but it might be as simple firing up your own instances and just federating. By not allowing people to post you'd just be in readonly mode and would get passed all the posts, maybe. With every other kind of archive process like this the images/videos/audio are the long pole. A full 100% backup of "what did everyone see back then" is out of reach; even youtube (or especially youtube) goes back and edits old videos for newer compression or a change in copyright rules.

    My only real thought on it right now is an annual back up is waaaaaay too slow. I'd want to see more about what the ActivityPub stream looks like. I'd want to hear from an owner of an instance about how quickly their storage requirements go, and I'm now curious about whether there's any evidence of anyone else such as Three Letter Agencies already backing it all up.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    uhh, relevant username?

    I would assume that the entirety of lemmy is being scraped by three letter agencies and their global equivalents. Hell, I assume that a small core minority of the tankies are actually state actors pushing statist propaganda, as lemmy does skew pretty left.

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  • OK, I'm curious first about the data requirements.

    If people are posting just to stir up shit then that would be something that would have to be handled at the community level or at the individual level. If we don't agree with someone's opinion then just ignore that person. If people are coming around trying to stir up violence that's a different story. The bar is lower than ever for firing up a lemmy instance if people are into that kind of thing.

    Link to the nazi bar story. If anyone has a better place to link to please let me know:

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    I can scroll comments for about a minute before that pop-up comes up saying you need the app. But I rarely visit reddit anymore unless it's something I need some information on that I can't find anywhere else.

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