if an 8 minute round trip saves you $15, then you're essentially paying yourself $112.50/hr to be your own delivery driver
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Pizza shop is 4 minutes away
Orders delivery
Joke’s on OP
Ordering a personal taxi for your food instead of walking a few blocks is peak American.
Unironically, yes.
It doesn't occur to most Americans to walk a bit instead of drive.
This is exacerbated by the design of American neighborhoods that discourages walking and encourages driving, which of course becomes a feedback loop where Americans don't walk because their neighborhoods aren't designed for it - or worse - designed against it, and so our neighborhoods are designed for people who don't walk, etc.
don't worry. tons of folks who live in the inner city where it's easily walkable still get delivery from the place 4 blocks away.
or better let, like my neighbors, they get a single coffee delivered from the coffee shop 2 blocks away. because they want to 'spoil' themselves. then they complain about how they can't afford rent and the COL is so high and they are so poor.
and they tell me I'm an privileged ableist asshole when i suggest maybe they could walk to the coffee shop like i do.
because you know, not being a stupid lazy idiot who is terrible with money is a form of ableism, or something now.
btw this is the same neighbor who works a 5 minute walk away, but drives to their workplace everyday and complains about the cost of gas.
also their parents have $100K cars... and they used to mouth off about difficult their life was growing up compared to mine... right.
Yeah, man. The people surviving the horrors are definitely fully to blame for their survival choices related to said horrors, and not the fuckers responsible for said horrors. You got a good eye on you. You're middle management material if I've ever seen it
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Your anecdote doesn't change anything I said, nor my opinion.
If anything you biased me against what you're trying to push with your lazy writing style, which is ironic given you criticize what you see as laziness in others.
What lazy? With autocorrect it actually takes loads of effort to get rid of capitalisation.
I'm not commenting on the content of the person's comments, but in terms of writing style I've always shared this person's aversion to capitalisation letters in (my own) casual communications. I don't know why, it's weird. Especially "I" as a personal pronoun. Who tf do I think I am? "i" will suffice for ones modest self.
It's just widely-agreed-upon conventions to make the text more readable.
Injecting your personal feelings about how English should be written into everything you write is way more selfish than capitalizing "I."
Injecting your personal feelings about how English should be written into everything you write is way more selfish than capitalizing “I.”
right, so why are you doing that then? almost like you are directly contradicting yourself here... hmm
maybe because you're one of these folks and you are angry at being called out?
let me do you one better, I'll argue about how I'm the truly lazy and privileged one, because i walk tot he coffee shop, and therefore i am depriving a hard working doordasher of their income and selfish keeping the $5 delivery fee for the $3 coffee for myself, because I horrible no good able-bodied person who is flaunting my privileged by walking to the coffee shop rather ordering delivery. if i truly cared about the plight of the working-class, i'd be ordering as much doordash as possible to make sure my income goes direct to them, or something. blah blah i'm a massive prick because i have a higher income job and work from home and I am stealing that from someone else more deserving because of my skin color and penis, or something.
literally have had this argued at me before, btw. almost always by folks whose parents are multil millionaires, who consider themselves to be struggling proletariat in their hipster job that pays shit, but offering solidarity because they order doordash everyday, and hey you can just call up the bank of mom and dad and ask for $5000 when you can't make rent this month.
right, so why are you doing that then? almost like you are directly contradicting yourself here… hmm
It's not my personal feeling; as I said, it's the agreed upon rules that everyone else use that I also use to make communication between us all easier.
maybe because you’re one of these folks and you are angry at being called out?
I mean, I'm quite obviously someone who capitalizes "I" for reasons I have repeatedly stated, so I guess? I don't know why that computes as "anger" for you, but... okay!
let me do you one better, I’ll argue
Holy fuck you used a capitalized "I!" Guards!
i never agreed to any of your rules. weird.
They're not my rules. They're our rules. I didn't create English.
You and I both agree on the definition of "I," "never," "agreed," "to," "any," "of," "your," "rules," and "weird," otherwise you wouldn't have bothered typing that out. You knew I would understand what you wrote because we both form and express ideas with little characters known as "the Latin Alphabet" in specific permutations known as "English words" in specific permutations known as "English grammar."
Those are all rules. Your childish "Fuck the system! I communicate how I want!" is naive, impractical, and not a principle you actually follow or you would be typing complete gibberish non-language via Wingdings and everyone would ignore you accordingly. You've accepted that some may ignore you because you break some English rules, but you do agree to follow most of them.
In other words, you desperately want to pretend not to care about how effectively you communicate with others, potentially to virtue signal that position, but you don't actually believe that deep down. As they say, "larp larp larp sahur."
no, i just think it's funny watching you climb up this flag pole and show your bum.
when more well-adjusted folks don't care. How many langauges do you speak btw? I speak three and have studied 7 at a collegiate level, including some linguistics.
And yet, I don't agree with anything you said because well, I understand language is way more interesting what you are going on about, and you're just factually wrong on many accounts. But hey, as long as you get to feel smug, educated, and superior over differences in grammatical presentation, right? because we both know, that's what it's about. feeling superior to someone who doesn't reflect your narrow minded obsessions with what linguistic legitimacy is, so you make this absurd 'argument' that is a tautology, as if saying A = A, is like owning me or something.
But yeah, my grammar school teachers hated the shit out of me because they were like you. But my college professors liked me for those same reason. I wonder why that is.
also the utterly absurdity of you going off about grammar on a thread about doordashing where i was agreeing with you in the first place, but you just got so angry over not agreeing with you in the right grammatical style. hilarious internet shit, all of this.
because they are mad at me for what i said, and don't have a legit reason to be so, so they make up stupid shit about capitalization and writing style.
when you can't attack the content of what was said, you go after the style.
because we know in debate club, the winning move to is talk about how your fellow debater doesn't dress as well as you, so therefore they are stupid and wrong. and totally avoid staying on topic or responding to their points.
To be fair, typically in America (outside of major cities and certain planned neighborhoods), 4 minutes away implies by car. Even if driving only 20mph (unlikely), the pizza shop would be a minimum 1.3 miles away, which would be more like a 30+ minute walk for a pizza.
On top of that, there's almost no safe walking paths by design. You would likely have to traverse major roads with no sidewalks, crosswalks, or even pedestrian stop lights.
It's an unfortunate design that many are stuck with.
It was cheaper and faster to doordash a restaurant quite literally across the street in college, I tested it a few times when my friends would go to buy food there and mine would come like 10 minutes before they got back. Literally across the street, like a 1 minute walk max.
4 minutes is 2 miles.
what's peak American is the fact you think you are better than the delivery driver, even if you make less than them.
i think for many people, even who can't really afford food delivery, it's a social flex that 'at least i am not delivering pizzas and i'm the one getting them delivered'.
people love their social hierarchicies based on employment roles.
I'ma need you to connect the dots for me on this one dawg.
people love to look down on other people. and ordering delivery is one way they get to do that.
Can you show me the part of the post looking down on the driver and not the person too lazy to walk a few blocks for a pizza?
He wasn't saying you were wrong or arguing with you. He was adding on to your post.
what’s peak American is the fact you think you are better than the delivery driver
Eh
It's not you you. It's "you" the imaginary hypothetical American.
god i love the internet.
person makes 3rd person statement, then you reply with 3rd person statement, and they think you are personally attacking them.
but I live in a city where if you say you like chicken, some random person two tables away will like come over to your table and feel personally attacked and lecture you on what a horrible person you are for telling someone else, you like chicken. in real life, to your face. then they ask you if you support gaza and and you go 'what does that have to do with any of this' and they go 'ZIONIST SCUM!'
and you just wanted to eat some nice chicken and were expressing your joy of eating chicken to your friend, who also came there for the chicken. but you are both oppressing/harming people who don't like chicken by enjoying it or something.
While there is nutrition value to some bugs, most grasses pass undigested through the human gut. We are not ruminants Also if you leave bugs for a chicken to eat, you can have eggs instead.
Don't mention keeping chickens on Lemmy, you'll get some vegan telling you how unethical it is to have a chicken and eat its eggs
It's not possible to live according to the morals of everyone else. They're mutually contradictory with each other for one thing lol. I'm at peace with the idea that other people won't always agree with me.
No more than it is to have a pet cat and give away its 6-8 week old children to strangers by force.
I assume op just burned and extra $5 for fun as part of this whole interaction..
Is that not already included in the price in the US? I don't live in the US, this is a genuine question.
Tax is not included in listed prices in the USA.
It's infuriating.
The state that I lived in there had a tax at restaurants. Each town was allowed to add up to a percent to that. Some did 0%, some 0.5% some 1%. Also, alcohol was taxed at a different rate.
So basically you had no idea what the actual cost for food would be when you ordered.
I think not, even the prices in grocery store don't include VAT. It seems absurd to me
taxes are almost never included in prices in the USA.
they are added on at the time of sale.
we do not have VAT. we have sales taxes. and those sales taxes are different in every city, and sometimes town/state.
and the items that are taxed are also different in every state, and sometimes city/town.
additionally some places have meal taxes, specifically for pre-made and restaurant food.
and many restaurants charge service fees now.
in my city, you would typically pay 7% tax, 2% fee, and 20% tip all added on top of the menu price.
which is why when I get a hamburger and a beer, and it's $30 on the menu, I actually pay $40 or more.
If it's 4 minutes away why not walk? The fuck?
They probably mean a 4 minute drive, which would be like a 30 minute walk, assuming you can cross the 6-lane monstrosity of a road that the pizza place is on without being smushed by a lifted F-250.
Or half a mile if you have a couple junctions with red lights ahead, like around the block. Anon could've been living in a flat over said pizza joint for all we know. Or they are just a liar, who also have a crush on delivery driver, so they order pizza to see them again.
It's remarkable how much people will complain about delivery fees and refuse to cook themselves, or even go out and buy premade food
I don't usually buy premade food in the supermarkets, but when I do - I'm super picky. The thing about them is that even the best meals I can find have too much salt. The ingredients are fine, it's really not hard to get meals that aren't superprocessed for cheap, but the macros are always off.
<2 grams of salt per serving is what I find unusually few in premade meals, and it's still an awful lot compared to what I'm personally adding when I cook.
People who are used to eating that much salt just don't even notice when good is way too salty. I grew up eating whatever processed shit was put in front of me, but after reducing my salt and sugar intake years ago, I'm now acutely sensitive to food when it's too salty or sweet, which is a serious departure from my tastes when I was young
they are lazy and entitled.
and they think people who cook are assholes.
very few people i meet cook on a daily basis. almost everyone where i live is doordashing or doing delivery mealboxes or getting pre-made stuff from the grocery store. and constantly complaining how broke they are.
like anytime i go on a date the past few years, and say i like to cook, it's fun. the other person thinks i'm mentally ill or some kind of elitist asshole for saying that.
has nothing to do with being lazy or entitled.
despite all the rugged individualist propaganda, the anti-intellectualism of our culture hinders anyone from attempting anything new and we act like anyone who does is some kind of wizard or supergenius; like with everything else, we act like cooking a decent meal with flavor is best left to the experts.
you can go on youtube--a platform where thousands of expert chefs are spilling their secrets in an easy to follow, step-by-step manner--and easily learn to cook decent food.
but people don't. just like they don't learn how to do basic tech shit, like install an OS.
right, everyone is just helpless victims who lack any/all agency for their own choices.
and that isn't a choice they make at all...
It's not useful to look at a systemic problem and go "Well obviously those are just dumb bad no good individuals and nothing can be done".
systematic problems come from the choices of individuals.
if we all act like assholes being an asshole becomes systematic.
if you want to stop people from being assholes, you've got to start with yourself.
systematic problems come from the choices of individuals.
You can't fix a systemic problem by just saying "stop being assholes", you can fix a systemic problem by fixing the systemic issue. For example, increasing rent and lowering wages increases homelessness. Telling people to work harder doesn't decrease homelessness, building rent-controlled housing and increasing minimum wage does.
Weird. I don't have any issues with my food, being an asshole, or lots of other common problems people have.
because i choose not to participate in the stupid shit other people do that makes their lives miserable. eat right, exercise, don't waste your money on stupid shit, and you too, might enjoy life instead of being miserable all the time.
when my rent goes up... I ask for a raise. or change jobs and then usually my company counter-offers.
weird how that works!
Huh I guess nothing should be done to improve society then.
you improve society by improving yourself.
I choose to not be one of the 66% of Americans that are overweight/obese, I choose have money rather than be in debt, and etc. I could have not made these choices. Tomorrow I can stop working out ever again and start spending all my money ratting shitty food that will make me fat, sad, and miserable all the time. I should do that, and then sit around telling everyone how 'society' made me do it!! That will be so much better than being a responsible functional person!
Other folks make other choices. Seen many of my friends over the years become fat indebted miserable people, and I then choose to no longer socialize with them.
Nobody forced them to eat shitty food, spend all they money on stupid crap, and then never take responsibility for their choices.
Who exactly forced my friends to make those choices for them? who forced them to say, spend $15,000 traveling per year, rather than saving it in their bank account? as far as i can tell nobody did. they did that to themselves. not to mention the handful who decided drugs and crime were better than going to college and getting a job, because 'work is too hard' and getting high and stealing shit is 'easy'. until you get caught, of course.
and thus they become yet another statistic of 'society'. but hey, fuck me right, i just like contribute to my community with taxes, volunteer work, and participating in local politics. What a piece of shit human being I am! clearly I should stop being such an awful selfish prick, and I should just get fat, sit around and whine about the government being mean to me, and do nothing to make the world a better place, because what is the point of ever making an effort in life when you can make none and complain and then die of heart disease at 50.
life tip man. pay off your debts and get your shit together. nobody is going to do it for you. it's your choice to improve yourself and your world, or to sit around being a whiny entitled cunt of a human being. I understand though, that the latter options is far more popular and makes you more friends, because that's certainly what most folks choose to do. mean while looking down and harassing good hard working folks because they are so sad, bitter, and jealous.
$10 + $7 + $2 or $3 = $19 or $20. Sales tax would be less than a dollar. Anon's unhealthy lifestyle is causing cognitive decline
you see, the delivery fee is $7, but then you also have to pay $5 in "other fees", whatever that means
sales tax would be less than a dollar
Entirely locality dependent. Where I live, tax on a $20 tab would be a little under $2. I know there's some municipalities where it'd be as high as $2.40.
So, sure, technically still not $25, but once you need more than a $20 bill, it's not obscene to round up to the nearest $5.
Many Americans don’t have healthy grass if they have grass in the first place. In many places in the US keeping a pristine grass yard requires a shit ton of human intervention, which means fertilizers and a ton of chemicals. Since grass isn’t native to those areas.
This post has literally inspired me to order a pizza for my lunch today rather than open the fridge.
Second anon is an illuminati lizard person shill tryna get people to eat bugs.
Frozen
Pizza
I don't know if they deliver to the USA, but this electric pizza cooker is amazing:
https://a.aliexpress.com/_EHPM5iA
It gets twice as hot as a normal oven in a few minutes and makes amazing pizza. You can buy dough, pizza sauce, and shredded cheese - or make all of these from scratch very easily.
It doesn't take a lot of space. My rough estimate is that it uses the same electricity as cooking pizza in an oven.
If you're spending $25 on pizza then it will quickly pay for itself.
One downside is that it does take some space, so if you're in a really cramped living environment (dorm room, Manhattan apartment) then you might not have room. Also, you may end up eating a lot more pizza than you should...
One of the food delivery apps labeled something “long distance delivery” at five miles. I could walk that. I didn’t, but I certainly didn’t pay someone else to drive it.
There are delivery apps the delivery Fee is lower based on how near the restaurant is.
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