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I remember someone asked why the show couldn't be called "Big Sister" (lemmy.world)
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[–] 156 points 3 months ago*

Odysseus: "Its time for us to embark on our Odyssey."

Crew: "Our what now?"

Odysseus: "A long an arduous trip named after its only survivor."

Crew: "Oh, ok... wait a minute..."

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    [–] 89 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    I remember there was a post asking what Superman's kryptonite was. I hope it was a joke.

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    • [–] 74 points 3 months ago* (4 children)

    I genuinely believe that some people are just completely unaware of anything made before their birth.

    Like they actively choose not to be aware, to the point of calling out a re-telling of a literally ancient tale for tropes it literally invented.

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    • [–] 70 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Doctor: "You have an oedypian complex."

    Oedypus: "I have a what?"

    Doctor: "You heard me, motherfucker."

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    • [–] 110 points 3 months ago (61 children)

    The Achilles thing made me chuckle. And then it made me weep a bit because general education seems to be dead. I learnt about the Trojan war and attached mythology at school, doesn't that happen anymore or is it an attention issue?

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  • [–] 78 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    Maybe it's just anything Greek. I remember reading a comment chain right here on Lemmy like 6 months ago, something about a thing/machine/software named Prometheus. One commenter wondered why they'd name themselves after an Alien movie.

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  • [–] 56 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Ouch. Prometheus himself would probably have turned around and returned the fire where it came from if he knew about that.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Right!? The Alien from 'Kablam!' who taught Bob deserves better than that.

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  • [–] 19 points 3 months ago* (24 children)

    I don't think I ever covered any Greek myths in school in the UK. Like many others I did have an interest in them so I did read the Iliad and Odyssey in my school years (though I don't remember which translations). We did cover a few Norse myths; the bit of the Prose Edda with the giant Skrymir was one that stuck with me for some reason

    At the end of the day there is simply far too much history to give everyone an overview of all of the big things. There are interesting aspects of the relationship between myth, history, historiography, and archaeology that I expect Troy could be a great subject for, but I don't think there's anything so unique about it that it has to be a topic

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  • [–] 21 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    Here in the U.S., we cover the Greek stuff A LOT. Like it is hammered into your head. The reason for this is, of course, the U.S. sees itself as the heir to Athenian Democracy and Roman Republicanism, so we have to really emphasize that in our conditionin.... Uhhh education.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Studying Greek classics being used as an "America bad" is the biggest stretch, jfc. Not everything is a conspiracy. Take it down a notch.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (4 children)

    That's not an "America Bad" thing, it's just fact? That's the explicit reason for the entire framing of western history in American classrooms. We start with Egypt, then the hand the torch over to the Greeks, then they hand the torch to the Romans, then the Dark Ages (spoooooky), then the Renaissance, the British Empire, and then the USA. It's one of our foundations for American Exceptionalism

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Sudying Greek history and mythology merely for the sake of propaganda and as a through line to exceptionalism is not a fact, no.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    I don't think your history experiences sound very typical. I didn't have anything about the Egyptians outside of pyramids in elementary school, very little Greek mythology, and then nothing about the Romans (beyond a bit about how they had good tech like aqueducts), dark ages (maybe a little about the plague and feudalism), or Renaissance. Did you go to a school with extra history requirements or something?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Noooo, I went to, like, 6 different elementary schools to two different states, all in pretty low income areas. This was pretty consistent. But this went well beyond elementary school. When you took world history in high school, what did that look like? This was pretty consistent. And it wasn't just history, this was all blended into English classes and stuff too

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I read a lot of Greek mythology on my own and through elective classes but I think the only core course material I had on it was pretty brief. Shakespeare was pretty much every year starting in middle school but not much Greek.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    I don't remember learning about the Greek myths in Canada's (Ontario) public school either. I heard about them for the first time when I studied it in a university history class. We did ancient Greece, Rome, and Egypt as a young kid but I don't believe the myths were mentioned.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Interestingly, my education regarding norse mythology was sorely lacking after school. We touched a few subjects, but without personal initiative i wouldn't know shit about it outside of Odin, Loki, Thor and the Midgard Snake.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    Here in german speaking central europe i learnt (i wont stop using it just to piss @atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works off lol) about the wars among the greek citystates, with references to Homer, and later on when learning Latin (which i sucked at, but that's not so important right now) we read excerpts and learnt (hahaha roflcopter) about the mythology a lot more. There also were references to the Greek mythology in our literature classes.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Thanks for letting me live rent free in your head!

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago* (5 children)

    Dude i'm just chuckling when i see you pop up. We could make a running gag out of it if you are up to it - i keep using "learnt" and you keep shitting on me for using something you are not used to lol

    I would even offer that everytime i use it, i send you a PM so you can comment on my incorrect usage ;-)

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Alas, poor atomicbocks, they learnt that people spelt some words differently in other parts of the world. Whilst they knew what was meant, 'twixt comment and reply all their indignation swept them up. They dreamt of a world in which they telt all speakers of the tongue how they ought to have exprest it

    And all but two of these examples can still be heard regularly where I am!

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Aw come on, stop ribbing him ;-) I looked up what he comments normally, and he seems like a stand up guy, and i have no hard feelings at all, as long as i made my point that education does not protect against assimilating different pidgins and integrating them into your common vocabulary.

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  • [+] -10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (24 children)

    …general education seems to be dead.

    …learnt…

    Is this intentional irony?

    Edit for the down voters:

    Learnt and learned are both used as the past participle and past tense of the verb to learn. Learned is the generally accepted way of spelling it in the United States and Canada, while the rest of the English-speaking world seems to prefer learnt for now. Why for now? The American English tendency toward making irregular verbs into regular ones has started influencing British English, which is why the -edvariant is being used increasingly around the world. Soon, learned might be the most common form everywhere.

    Source

    We were taught that it was only okay to use T in some words that end in D, for instance build -> built.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (14 children)

    no, that was unintentional. But if you really like my mistakes as a non-native speaker you can print them out, stick them to the bedroom wall and masturbate to them to fuel your superiority; i aim to please.

    Edit: I looked it up, it's correct. You can still use it as a masturbatory template if you wish so.

    https://www.dictionary.com/browse/learnt -> past tense and past participle of learn in american english.

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  • [+] -12 points 3 months ago (13 children)

    Learned is more commonly used than learnt.

    From your own link…

    But I guess reading would get in the way of being a pervert.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    "Less common" is not the same as "wrong", and it's doubly not the same as "wrong" when it actually just means "normal in other dialects of the language"

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  • [+] -10 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    Ain’t is in the dictionary, it’s still considered incorrect.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    It's considered informal, and in some dialects (mine included) unusual. The Grammarly link you edited into your first comment doesn't even support a classification of "learnt" as informal, it literally just describes it as a dialect difference. You're doing the same thing as telling a Brit that they're spelling the word incorrectly if they write "colour"

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  • [+] -9 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    I think you are confusing informal and irregular in this case.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    I'm not, but "irregular" does not mean "wrong" either. Heaps of English words have irregular forms. "Built" is one of them.

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  • [+] -7 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Yes which is why we say that and not builded. I’m not sure what your point is.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    I think I've been quite clear in repeatedly saying that "learnt" was not wrong to use in the context that it was used in there. You've so far ignored that:

    • The Grammarly source that you linked yourself does not say that "learnt" is wrong

    • The dictionary.com page that the other person linked does not say that "learnt" is wrong

    • A word being the less common form doesn't mean it's wrong

    • A word being informal doesn't mean it's wrong

    • A word being irregular doesn't mean it's wrong

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  • [+] -7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I haven’t ignored anything but if you are going to be an asshole then I am going to ignore you.

    Please look at the link again and pay attention to the difference in regional dialects. I would have been happy to learn that it was accepted in other places but instead I’ve been told to masturbate, and had two other people be a fucking asshole to me. Only one person has been simply informative and I looked it up further. Until you can emulate them kindly fuck off.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Please look at the link again and pay attention to the difference in regional dialects.

    Absolutely baffling response. Your link specifically says that "learnt" is valid in some dialects. You quoted one of the times that it says that. I've said it. At least two other people have said it to you as well. Either you haven't read it or you are suffering from a crushing case of US-defaultism.

    People, including me, have been rude to you because you started the conversation off by being rude and have continued being rude throughout the thread. The first comment you made was an attempt to mock someone for their spelling, which would be rude even if it was actually incorrect. Your replies to me have primarily been refusals to actually engage with anything I've said and, apparently, an equal refusal to properly read your own source.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    "More commonly used" doesn't mean that the other is incorrect, as your comment implies. Also, it's only more common in the US, and we can't tell where the person is from by his initial comment.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    As a former ESL professor, I both learnt and taught: learnt, dreamt, was, became, began, taught, blew, meant, brought, thought, caught, drew, felt, fought, lit, grew etc. as part of the (very long) list of irregular English verbs in the past and participle forms.

    I'm assuming your insistence is born (not borned) out of embarrassment over your initial mistake. It's ok to not know something, admitting a mistake is a far better look.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    What part of me posting the correct answer is insisting? I really don’t understand why everyone needs this to be a gotcha so please fuck off.

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    • [–] 36 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    And the Trojan horse was literally shaped like a horse, a bit too on the nose, no?

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    • [–] 36 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    When I was a kid, we went to see a play with my class.

    Someone complained that is was a cheap copy of Lord of the Rings.

    It was The Hobbit.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Time loops aside, they're not entirely wrong. LOTR is an upgraded version of The Hobbit that hit a lot harder.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    I think The Hobbit was written for children while LOTR was written for adults.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    This. Also, my 12 y/o is getting into fantasy stuff and has us watching The Hobbit movies (Iʻd only ever seen the first one, when it was back in theaters). All the cringey stuff in that movie totally fits with the "younger" tone of the book. The problem is stretching a kids book into a twelve-hour trilogy of films imho. (Okay, that and the completely unnecessary romantic subplot that includes a version of Legolas that might as well be a completely different character than what we see in LOTR)

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    • [–] 35 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    betting we're gonna get this kinda feedback on the Neuromancer tv adaption

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