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[–] 110 points 3 months ago (61 children)

The Achilles thing made me chuckle. And then it made me weep a bit because general education seems to be dead. I learnt about the Trojan war and attached mythology at school, doesn't that happen anymore or is it an attention issue?

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  • [–] 78 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    Maybe it's just anything Greek. I remember reading a comment chain right here on Lemmy like 6 months ago, something about a thing/machine/software named Prometheus. One commenter wondered why they'd name themselves after an Alien movie.

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  • [–] 56 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Ouch. Prometheus himself would probably have turned around and returned the fire where it came from if he knew about that.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Right!? The Alien from 'Kablam!' who taught Bob deserves better than that.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (14 children)

    no, that was unintentional. But if you really like my mistakes as a non-native speaker you can print them out, stick them to the bedroom wall and masturbate to them to fuel your superiority; i aim to please.

    Edit: I looked it up, it's correct. You can still use it as a masturbatory template if you wish so.

    https://www.dictionary.com/browse/learnt -> past tense and past participle of learn in american english.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    "Less common" is not the same as "wrong", and it's doubly not the same as "wrong" when it actually just means "normal in other dialects of the language"

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    It's considered informal, and in some dialects (mine included) unusual. The Grammarly link you edited into your first comment doesn't even support a classification of "learnt" as informal, it literally just describes it as a dialect difference. You're doing the same thing as telling a Brit that they're spelling the word incorrectly if they write "colour"

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    I'm not, but "irregular" does not mean "wrong" either. Heaps of English words have irregular forms. "Built" is one of them.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    I think I've been quite clear in repeatedly saying that "learnt" was not wrong to use in the context that it was used in there. You've so far ignored that:

    • The Grammarly source that you linked yourself does not say that "learnt" is wrong

    • The dictionary.com page that the other person linked does not say that "learnt" is wrong

    • A word being the less common form doesn't mean it's wrong

    • A word being informal doesn't mean it's wrong

    • A word being irregular doesn't mean it's wrong

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Please look at the link again and pay attention to the difference in regional dialects.

    Absolutely baffling response. Your link specifically says that "learnt" is valid in some dialects. You quoted one of the times that it says that. I've said it. At least two other people have said it to you as well. Either you haven't read it or you are suffering from a crushing case of US-defaultism.

    People, including me, have been rude to you because you started the conversation off by being rude and have continued being rude throughout the thread. The first comment you made was an attempt to mock someone for their spelling, which would be rude even if it was actually incorrect. Your replies to me have primarily been refusals to actually engage with anything I've said and, apparently, an equal refusal to properly read your own source.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    "More commonly used" doesn't mean that the other is incorrect, as your comment implies. Also, it's only more common in the US, and we can't tell where the person is from by his initial comment.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    As a former ESL professor, I both learnt and taught: learnt, dreamt, was, became, began, taught, blew, meant, brought, thought, caught, drew, felt, fought, lit, grew etc. as part of the (very long) list of irregular English verbs in the past and participle forms.

    I'm assuming your insistence is born (not borned) out of embarrassment over your initial mistake. It's ok to not know something, admitting a mistake is a far better look.

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  • [–] 19 points 3 months ago* (24 children)

    I don't think I ever covered any Greek myths in school in the UK. Like many others I did have an interest in them so I did read the Iliad and Odyssey in my school years (though I don't remember which translations). We did cover a few Norse myths; the bit of the Prose Edda with the giant Skrymir was one that stuck with me for some reason

    At the end of the day there is simply far too much history to give everyone an overview of all of the big things. There are interesting aspects of the relationship between myth, history, historiography, and archaeology that I expect Troy could be a great subject for, but I don't think there's anything so unique about it that it has to be a topic

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  • [–] 21 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    Here in the U.S., we cover the Greek stuff A LOT. Like it is hammered into your head. The reason for this is, of course, the U.S. sees itself as the heir to Athenian Democracy and Roman Republicanism, so we have to really emphasize that in our conditionin.... Uhhh education.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Studying Greek classics being used as an "America bad" is the biggest stretch, jfc. Not everything is a conspiracy. Take it down a notch.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Sudying Greek history and mythology merely for the sake of propaganda and as a through line to exceptionalism is not a fact, no.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Noooo, I went to, like, 6 different elementary schools to two different states, all in pretty low income areas. This was pretty consistent. But this went well beyond elementary school. When you took world history in high school, what did that look like? This was pretty consistent. And it wasn't just history, this was all blended into English classes and stuff too

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I read a lot of Greek mythology on my own and through elective classes but I think the only core course material I had on it was pretty brief. Shakespeare was pretty much every year starting in middle school but not much Greek.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    I don't remember learning about the Greek myths in Canada's (Ontario) public school either. I heard about them for the first time when I studied it in a university history class. We did ancient Greece, Rome, and Egypt as a young kid but I don't believe the myths were mentioned.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Interestingly, my education regarding norse mythology was sorely lacking after school. We touched a few subjects, but without personal initiative i wouldn't know shit about it outside of Odin, Loki, Thor and the Midgard Snake.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    Here in german speaking central europe i learnt (i wont stop using it just to piss @atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works off lol) about the wars among the greek citystates, with references to Homer, and later on when learning Latin (which i sucked at, but that's not so important right now) we read excerpts and learnt (hahaha roflcopter) about the mythology a lot more. There also were references to the Greek mythology in our literature classes.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago* (5 children)

    Dude i'm just chuckling when i see you pop up. We could make a running gag out of it if you are up to it - i keep using "learnt" and you keep shitting on me for using something you are not used to lol

    I would even offer that everytime i use it, i send you a PM so you can comment on my incorrect usage ;-)

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Alas, poor atomicbocks, they learnt that people spelt some words differently in other parts of the world. Whilst they knew what was meant, 'twixt comment and reply all their indignation swept them up. They dreamt of a world in which they telt all speakers of the tongue how they ought to have exprest it

    And all but two of these examples can still be heard regularly where I am!

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Aw come on, stop ribbing him ;-) I looked up what he comments normally, and he seems like a stand up guy, and i have no hard feelings at all, as long as i made my point that education does not protect against assimilating different pidgins and integrating them into your common vocabulary.

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