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[–] 43 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Wait which frontends don't need that monster?

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  • [–] 36 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Basic Lemmy works without JS. Some stuff breaks, but it's still usable.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Can't vote or comment without JS

    They say: "Javascript is disabled. Actions will not work"

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    Web applications need JavaScript.

    Web sites do not; the static web technologies allow effectively any styling, and browsing any content your browser can handle, and HTML forms work fine. In any case, many people who need to access the web site can't run modern JavaScript. So it should work without that.

    There may be special dynamic enhancements that require JavaScript, but the site should do its core job flawlessly, without any JavaScript.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    I disliked that Tesseract was a bit of a busy mess, visually. I genuinely wanted to like it because it definitely added several useful features. I even self-hosted it for a while. But the default Lemmy UI is so much more simple/streamlined and handles 95% of what I want to do anyway. I would only use Tesseract on occasion, when I needed to perform some action that I knew Tesseract handled better than the default Lemmy UI. But default PieFed supports every feature I liked out of Tesseract anyway, so I didn't miss it at all when I switched from a Lemmy instance to a PieFed instance.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Wait, people are actually out here daily driving the default Lemmy web UI instead of using their own client?

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    When I'm on the toilet, I use a client app on my phone, but when I'm at my desk, I use my desktop and the web ui. Why would I use an app there?

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    The only web client that doesn't use JavaScript is mlmym. the modern slopware on the web where websites pump 5 MB of scripts straight to your browser is insanity, but JavaScript can also make websites much much nicer to use (routers that don't require full page reload).

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Plenty of web clients allow the user to turn off JavaScript. Which is a good safety and security measure.

    If a web site breaks without JavaScript, that's the fault of the web site designers and implementers.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (1 child)
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    I only know Tesseract as an offshoot of Cube 2 Sauerbraten

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    [–] 33 points 3 months ago* (39 children)

    im new and sitll just wrapping my head around the lemmy concepts asis and this seems like incredible lore I missed so if someone would be so kind to fill me in it would be much appreciated

    but I can always get behind javascript hate!

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  • [–] 83 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (32 children)

    Tesseract is/was an alternative frontend for Lemmy sites. Its developer — asimons04 — hid malware in it. It would secretly download an obfuscated ban list with instances, communities, and people that asimons04 wanted to personally discriminate against and it would silently shadowban them from any site that used Tesseract.

    The bans were heavily anti-fash leftists and queer folks, including yours truly.

    This was discovered through some community sleuthing in the last several days. Asimons04 has since deleted their repos and accounts and disappeared moved repos to break forking and posted an unhinged rant to dubvee.

    @db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com has forked Tesseract since it had some nice features and they seem to be working on thoughtfully removing the malware.

    Those finding their name on the list are treating it as a badge of honor, since it shows that asimons04 was a conniving fascist bigot.

    The rabbit hole begins here.
    https://lemmy.world/post/49778353

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  • [–] 38 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    The fucking balls on him. Acting like he is doing everyone a favor. He can ban who he wants from his instance, that's how federation is supposed to work. What he did was add a secret shadowban list at a software level just to bypass the modlog and force it on everyone.

    His behavior and response are ridiculous. We shouldn't even be federating with anything using tesseract. The guy and his repo should become a pariah.

    Not to mention he tries to pretend it's about making the place peaceful and less toxic but bans communities like WholesomeYuri and small news comms.

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  • [+] 8 points 3 months ago (15 children)
  • [–] 23 points 3 months ago (12 children)

    I am line 137. ❤️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍🌈🎉

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    I defy that tosspot to point to the place on the doll where i "nutbag violent crazy" hurt him (I'm on the list)

    I guarantee its in the place where somewhere along the line I told him i didn't give a shit about his personal opinion. And building a goddamn hidden stasi list based on your fee fees and trying to shove it out globally is not fucking rational

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    The fuck? Why aren't I on the list? Am I not obnoxious and anti-fascist enough?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    because you're on piefed.

    piefed started out with blocking leftists like tesseract did and if you can't see the unspoken subtext that piefed is based upon, then you're likely a-okay -- politically speaking -- w the tesseract/startrek.website people.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    lol is the rant deleted? 😂

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child)

    Yes. But they decided to get one last unhinged word in.

    Classic example of fascist aggression followed by narcissistic false victimhood as soon as they are called out.

    It is ironic that they use the term DARVO repeatedly while they engage in that exact abuser behavior. Their tasteless and casual misuse of domestic abuse terminology betrays their game.

    you've definitely proven me wrong about the fediverse being something that even can be saved from itself.

    In the immortal words of Ice Cube, “Bye Felicia.”

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  • [–] 18 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    An admin of an instance dubvee ptz/AdmiralPatrick published a frontend for Lemmy - a different interface to look through - called Tesseract. Many instances provided it as an option for their users.

    Something around a year ago they suffered a burnout from fediverse (idk how) and seemingly cut their presence here.

    Just recently, db0 instance admin got a funny result from updating their server software. They couldn't see their own instance's posts through that frontend, it was reporting an error. Going around it with a magnifying glass, they learnt, that an update to Tesseract silently shipped a new filtering engine with a list by dev. It downloads said list as the frontend starts, so you (1) won't see it on github and (2) they have all power over what you see or not. Content matched with that list by instance, author or regex keyword doesn't show up, like it isn't there at all.

    It appears, not only spam or fash dens were there, but a lot of active instances incl. db0 and lemmy.ml (that you are on) were on the list, as well as many individuals. In a long post AP argued, that they wanted their frontend not only to spice up the interface, but also to provide a better normie-friendly look at a fediverse, to make more people stay (unlike them), without anything upsetting, or "toxic" as they say, meaning anything slightly political or verbally violent too. And as some users wondered what's left of fediverse with that opinionated filter applied and what it says about that person's leanings

    others took being in the list as a medal of honor, and started memeing about that, and talking about dev's shadowy practices. The overwhelming majority was not having it, excluding maybe Rimu, a Piefed dev, who soberly corrected that there was actually a misleadingly named switch to turn filtering off - and iirc they had some sort of a drama themselves recently, so it may come off natural to them.

    Either way, this piece of software was forked by multiple users to exclude shadowban list. Memes roll, people are jelly they aren't in the elite club, and we get another story about small power causing god-like delusions in a person. Unanswered though stays the question of why the fediverse, seemingly the size of town, has a capacity for drama.

    I'm not sure I got everything right, but other people's writeups appear under almost any post concerning that matter, so you can see if they cover it better than I.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Here is a post explaining it: https://sh.itjust.works/post/63897215

    It just happened. Tesserect is a front end to Lemmy (like old.red-dit) that was actually nicely built, but apparently taken over because it was abandoned. Since you're new, being on different instances is a little opaque to me as a non-techy, but here's my experiences

    • I think the largest instance is doing the same thing.
    • Your instance is known to be full of aggressive trolls and are the lead developers of Lemmy. Most of us take user by user, so you don't have to change instance. But if you get a lot of people hating on you for seemingly no reason, that's probably why (or they're trolls, we have them here). Lemmy was developed by the admins of your instance
    • I've only heard good things about piefed, but haven't made the switch myself to try it, since I'm a mod on lemmy. It would be a pain to switch back and forth.
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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    I don't really have a reason to hate something I've never used and never cared about at all until I saw I was weirdly targeted by it. I think it's a bizarre curiosity that attempted to make the fediverse "better" but made it worse. But I'm guessing not that many people as a percentage used it. And now it's been deleted so it's overall barely a blip.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Me: What the fuck is a tesseract? (please don't answer it, i don't wanna know)

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  • Hey, who said I hate it? It's a great list of users worth following and knowing.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (1 child)
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    I hate tesseract because there's a quality open source OCR project by the same name that has been out for ages.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    So you support transheteromysogeny? In current year? Wow.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Haters gonna hate

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