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[–] 1 point 1 year ago

Wow. Admitting guilt.

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  • [–] 186 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    Why did Trump go to Epstein's Island so much? Curious

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  • [–] 66 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    I'm sure he was just snorkeling

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  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Because he was one of the ringleaders in the human trafficking.... He wasn't just in the list like some filthy fucking casual, he was management.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    My guess is that he was their "best" customer, nothing more. He went there, a lot, and did unspeakable and unthinkable things to children. I deeply hope there is some sort of afterlife based on how you were as a person and that makes you see it via a point of view of empathy and intelligence, as that would put him in endless and ever-worsening torture both physically and mentally from realisation and understanding of everything he's done.

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  • [–] 153 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    That's only because all their names appear in those files. Fuck every cowardly republican there

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  • [–] 140 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (24 children)

    Voted Aye

    McGovern (D-MA), Scanlon (D-PA), Neguse (D-CO), Leger Fernández (D-NM), Norman (R-SC)

    Voted No

    Fischbach (R-MN), Roy (R-TX), Houchin (R-IN), Langworthy (R-NY), Scott (R-GA), Griffith (R-VA), Jack (R-GA), Foxx (R-NC)

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  • [–] 105 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Wow, so Norman is the only Republican on the committee who isn't a pedophile?

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  • [–] 57 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    In all fairness, the others may just be pedophile conspirators.🤷🏻‍♂️

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Why is everyone giving Norman a hard time? He voted to release. Give the other guys shit.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    On the one hand, I completely agree, and I think I fucked that up by mentioning him by name instead of the 7 pedophiles that voted it down.

    On the other hand, he's still a shitbag. If he's catching strays, fuck 'em. In this instance, he voted for some modicum of sanity. He's also the guy who pulled out his loaded .38 and put it on the table when meeting with Moms Demand Action Against Gun Violence.

    There's no humanitarian medals for "guy who didn't protect pedophile rapists."

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    When Mexico the Republicans send its their people, they’re not sending their best.

    ...

    They’re sending people that have lots of problems and they’re bringing those problems with us.

    They’re bringing drugs coverups, they’re bringing defending crime, they’re rapists...

    ... and some, I assume, are good people.

    See kids, rhetoric is easy!

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Why do I immediately assume that dude from South Carolina has already announced he isn't seeking reelection?

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I don't fully understand American politics so why did only 13 people vote on this?

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    If I understand correctly this was a committee that was voting on pushing the GENIUS act forward so that it could then go on to the larger vote that would actually determine whether it became law.

    The Democrats in this committee tried to add an amendment that required the release of the Epstein files so the vote was on the changes to the bill which the Republicans voted no and will just go on fox news to complain about Democrats not using the proper channels of legislation to get what they want.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I guess adding amendments to bills is the American if you look at Trump's big awful bill. Is is corruption that Republicans can do that but not the Democrats?

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    It's kinda turned into a "by any means" game since passing legislation is such a bottleneck in their logjammed system. Democrats do megabills with amendments when they're in power too.

    The Republicans in theory have a point, but in practice any standalone bill would stall, be shot down or lost, with the reasoning from Republicans likely being "we have more critical things to worry about". And yes, its also extremely hypocritical for the exact reason you said.

    It's usually not this dramatic though. Absolute fealty to Trump is required from Republicans... We've never had a Congress this subservient, not that I can remember, hence the knots and justifications are getting twisty.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    It happens all the time, I wouldn't say it's corruption, it's more hypocrisy. It's ok when they do it, but not ok when Democrats do it.

    It's about what's relevant to the bill anyway, an amendment about Epstein isn't really relevant to the bill or the subject of the bill as far as I know so the Republicans wouldn't be totally wrong to say as much, they'd just be hypocrites but they always are so that's nothing new. The Democrats were doing it to get Republicans "on record" saying "no" so they could use it against them in the midterm elections, but I don't see that helping at all when the Republicans can just cry about process and their friendly media will back them up.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    As a native new yorker (and unfortunately its the part of NY that votes red most times) its really disgusting to see a Republican New Yorker in the list of Nays. Just giving us more names we have to vote out to fucking dredge this swamp.

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  • [–] 109 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    The GOP has proudly stood behind wealthy pedophiles for decades ... It's kind of their thing

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    While pointing their fingers at everyone else. DO NOT let them forget this. Ever.

    WWMGT do? That's what Dems should be doing right now. Except in this case, an insane reaction is the only sane response. Honestly fucking disgusting and somebody needs to be circulating an image with the name listed of every members that voted to not release those files.

    Edit: Gotta say Newsweek has been one of the most upfront and honest news outlets over the last few months when it comes to just reporting the information and headlines everyone else seems afraid to just come out and say.

    Full list of Republicans who blocked Epstein files vote

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    But they spend so much time saying that's not true. I love this for them. They had a chance to prove it's "not true" and epically failed because it is so very very true. Now the masses are moving the goal post saying it never mattered anyways... Le sigh... Le boo...

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I will say that it's honestly not the masses, at least not yet. Even with as much insane shit as your average MAGAt has been able to handwave away, "pedos bad" is one of the few remaining bipartisan issues and was literally a huge part of what Trump ran on, saying they'd release the files and how it'd expose all the Dems/deep state/etc. Now you're seeing many of the "Would support Trump if he murdered a man on 5th Ave" types getting legitimately upset by the insane backpedaling on this. Will it last? Only time will tell, but this feels legitimately different, even when speaking to your average dipshit Trump supporter.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Not just the GOP. Yes, the GOP is a shining example, but it's more widespread than that.

    Conservatism involves having a power fantasy. You know what else is a power fantasy? Pedophilia. When you're rich and can already dominate people financially and that's not enough, what else but to dominate them physically?

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    [–] 76 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Incoming hypocrisy!

    "We'd gladly release it, but the method chosen was not appropriate. It should be voted on as a separate matter not as an amendment to the matter at hand."

    Continues to use reconciliation packages to vote on GOP spending wishlists that can avoid a filibuster instead of the appropriate methods...

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    [–] 74 points 1 year ago

    Wait, but I thought they didn't exist! Remember how Trump said if those files got released it could destroy a lot of people?

    Trump only gives a shit about himself. He means that the information would destroy him

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  • [–] 66 points 1 year ago

    We will not release the client list that does not exist.

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  • [–] 58 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    If you can’t get it out legally, just do it illegally. What are they going to do, kill the leaker? They are already killing people anyway so there’s no safety in waiting.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Exactly. They are just going to keep on killing. So if you have access to that information it’s likely you are going to be snuffed out soon anyway. So leak it and enjoy the show.

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    [–] 57 points 1 year ago

    Their crusade for Hunter's laptop must have burned out their justice gland.

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  • [–] 44 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Gotta protect the rapists and pedos. It's the republican way. Is there really anything that isn't just absolutely rotten in this political party?

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  • [–] 43 points 1 year ago*

    Gang

    Of

    Pedophiles

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (19 children)
  • [+] -16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (18 children)

    ALL US politicians are pedos.

    The biggest lie Americans have been told is that they have partisanship. It's not a left vs right issue it's a people vs pedo issue, plebian vs elite issue. Both Clinton and Trump are kiddy fiddling pedo nonces. Reagan and Clinton were both drug trafficking kingpins. Biden pardoned his coke/crack head son whilst locking up a record number of minorities for drug offences. Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, George Bush, Barack Obama and Donald Trump are all war criminals.

    Americans are forced to choose between who they believe to at the time be "the lesser of two evils". They're all in bed with one another, it's the establishment vs the people, commentators like Naom Chomsky and George Carlin have been saying this for decades yet Americans still fail to listen and have some sort of hope in their establishment.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    You might be chronically online buddy

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  • [+] -10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (12 children)

    Mate, the only point that might be valid for is the war crimes and that's about it. Noncing little kids no matter what party is disgusting and almost every elite America has is on that list it goes way beyond politics.

    But that's not the point, both parties are effectively one entity, and their only goal is to keep themselves in power and YOU out of it. There's 2 parties cuz it keeps power centralised and gives the public the illusion of choice and democracy.

    Believing any part of the american govt supports their own people let alone the human rights of any other people is complete delusion and absolute copium. Trump is infinitely worse but like I said you seem to have chosen "the lesser of 2 evils".

    "The Republicans are fucking me deep in the ass yet the dems are only kicking me in the head, looks like I better vote dems."

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Yeah so maybe we go after the worst ones before burning both bridges and getting nothing done. You're acting like a centrist voting third party out of morality. Guess who won? The worst guys. Maybe fucking focus on a winning strategy to take out Hitler before we move on to mini Hitler.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Lol I swear to god some of you are just accelerationists. You have four options when voting rolls around. Vote red, vote blue, vote green, do nothing.

    Voting red accelerates the damage, policies that don't align with your core personal beliefs are implemented and things get worse, fast. Laws that granted more freedom, repealed. Laws that stifle retaliation, rubber stamped. Regression in its purest form.

    Voting blue slows things down, opens the gate for progressives to enter the space, even going as far as to win despite aid from the DNC. Mamdani for example. Can lead to fundamental system changes.

    Voting green (or "morality voting") usually ends in a lack of funding for the candidate, causing too few people to know who they are. Normies will not vote for a name they don't recognize or a party they don't identify as.

    Not voting (or "Protesting the system") leads to candidates that don't represent the interests of the country being elected and makes it easier for those with money to make it harder to actually change the system.

    The reason nothing gets fucking done is because you get it in your head to be cute. You want to purity test the left rather than shutting the fuck up and just voting blue. Republicans cannibalized themselves for like a month over speaker of the house, then got their shit together and just pass anything red. In 6 months they have caused more political damage to this country than any left candidate has ever hoped to try. And stupid purists like you are a massive reason why he got elected. Twice.

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  • [+] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)
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    There is no alternative. Third party is not an option and if you think the DNC hates progressives, you're not looking at the RNC. Democrats are the only window. The only solution under the current system. Yes, decry the system is broken and we will nod on solem agreement. Short of a revolution, the Democrat party is the best current solution.

    Anyone who isn't a nazi should be voting blue. Any other option allows a nazi to be elected. This is a trolly problem but with the whole of the United States and to a degree the globe. Stop overcomplicating it.

    Mamdani is a progressive democrat, if course the establishment democrats are against him. Yet, he's about to become mayor. Yes we all know the DNC scuttled Bernie which is why I never said to fund the DNC I said vote blue. An establishment dem is better than a republican. A progressive dem is better than an establishment dem.

    The only way a progressive gets elected is as a Democrat. Mamdani proves it. We can't even do ranked choice voting because Republicans would never win again, so they block it.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    That's not a solution if mini Hitler and Hitler have the same goals in mind, youman have two parties yet you still can't seem to grasp that they're both effectively the same entity, it's all washington bro, they're NOT your friends, they all have the same goal in mind. I'm sorry to shatter the smokescreen you've been looking at your whole life but America's been stolen and rigged since day 1 and there's absolutely fuckall you can do about it, all you can do is sit back and watch it burn as the majority pay for the crimes of the few.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    Yeah people like you just don't have a solution. You'd rather wait for a cure to the cancer than to get treatments done. We all know the treatments aren't perfect, we know we're slowly dying, why the fuck do we need you screaming it? You're yelling in a cancer ward that the treatments aren't cures. No shit.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    why the fuck do we need you screaming it?

    Ignorance is bliss sho. I'm just stating what I'm observing, you're the one denying it and legitimising a rogue state ran on a rigged system. I already said this in another thread but, you can't accuse me of "taking both sides" if I'm not american and I'm against one group of people and that's Washington. Either ways not my country not my business. Just stating my opinion, whether you'll choose to care about if Washington gives 2 shits about you is completely up to you.

    The dangers of a 2-party state are right in front of you, there's thousand of infinitely more democratic systems out there.

    I'm not Russian but it doesn't take a fucking genius to figure out that everyone sitting in their parliament, regardless of what party has the exact same politics and is equally as corrupt, the other parties are only there to give the illusion of democracy, only in Russia elections are rigged and none of the "opposition" parties have any real power.

    people like you just don't have a solution

    Like I said not my country for me to be looking for one. This is whole thread is about kiddy fiddling and instead of agreeing on how its disgusting you admitted to wanting to vote for one group of pedophiles just because they're less bad than another group of pedophiles.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    You're screaming what we already know. There is no ignorance, you are no town crier, you are simply noise for the sake of it and I'm sick of the unintelligent cacophony.

    I didn't ask if it was your country, I said present a viable solution and steps to achieve the better outcome. You are no different from a baby crying for milk. You don't care how you get it, don't care what happens to get it to your mouth, you just want it now and refuse to be silent until it happens. People like you slow progress with your incessant babbling.

    You have energy with no direction. Outrage without clear purpose. And you often act like an anchor to things you'd otherwise be able to benefit from. Worst of all you are incapable of distinguishing severity. You are a mind broken centrist (or ultra leftist) that can't figure out we can get rid of all the kid touchers with the left, while the right is defending them whole sale.

    We cannot have a left of left party while the right still exists. We cannot remove the right by allowing them to be elected.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    You're screaming what we already know. There is no ignorance, you are no town crier, you are simply noise for the sake of it and I'm sick of the unintelligent cacophony.

    🤣🤣🤣 lol you're doing the exact same thing in regards to republicans, yet I'm not arguing with you on that because all your points on republicans are completely valid. If your solution is legitimising the Washington establishment do your thing bro, I'm not here to find solutions to Russia's corruption, Greece's debt defaulting or Venezuela's hyperinflation, they're not my problems, doesn't mean I shouldn't be allowed to acknowledge it, don't mean I'm crying about it either. My politics are beyond the scope of Washington because like I said before I'm not american, I don't acknowledge washington, I can't put myself in the shoes of an american voter, because none of it's to do with me, same goes for France or Botswana, I'm not from there.

    Regardless of who you fucking vote for they're still going to pursue roughly the same foreign policy of blowing up brown people in the middle east, funding Israeli terrorists, performing coups on democratic countries, spying and collecting data on billions of people and fucking little children, so my problem's not with either party on its own, it's with America itself.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    The Washington establishment is called that precisely because it has been legitimized and established. If you want to delegitimize it, that could serve as the first step to achieve a solution. I'm not saying our views are even contrasting, our methodology is.

    Spreading the good word doesn't mean much when there's nothing that follows. No plan, no suggested actions, just small groups struggling to do what they can. All we can presently do is slow the bleeding. Getting tired of bleeding doesn't mean to just stop holding the wound.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Sure. Just for clarification, cuz many americans don't seem to understand this but the dems or reps don't encompass the entirety of "the left wing" or "the right wing", both are effectively right wing with one being relatively more left leaning. Not liking one party isn't an endorsement of the other. Because a strictly 2-party state like the US is designed to encourage polarisation and lack nuance within the general public. Plus in other countries other parties aren't interconnected with each other, except maybe countries with fake democracies like Russia and Singapore.

    And centrism, outside of America isn't "taking both sides", the UK lib dem party for example is centre-left, slightly further to the left than the ruling labour party which has recently shifted further to the right although being way further to the left than them in the past. The conservative party is about as right wing as the democrats and the mostly fringe far-right reform party is basically like the republicans. What your politics are shouldn't be based on any party, its about your ideals, what is left or right wing isn't dictated by parties, instead parties base how far left or right they are based on their ideals.

    For example, the labour party, a historically firmly left-wing party (much more than now), under Tony Blair went to war with Iraq with the republicans, proving that a party's actions don't make their actions left or rightwing. The same left-wing party after incessant lobbying from Israel is now unfortunately providing them with weapons and suppressing free speech, after removing their anti-zionist leader.

    Personally I disagree with a lot of what's both considered left and right wing, I make my own opinions and reject the categorisation of my beliefs into something linear, but that's just me, cuz whats left and right changes constantly and differs based on country and culture, in america for example, relaxed gun laws are incredibly conservative since it's already something established within society for hundreds of years, in Europe however, the exact same topic is a very left wing and radical stance since they haven't been implemented/are outlawed.

    I, like other Europeans naturally have a distrust for politicians and have zero loyalty to any one party.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I don't remember where the Democrats voted to block the Epstein files. Can you link to that? Thank you in advance.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    I do remember democrats being linked to Epstein, notably Bill Clinton, I do remember them not doing a thing in regards to the list, Trump dug himself the hole he's in because I genuinely think his ego's so overinflated that his braindead supporters with the combined brainpower of a nokia 3310 would back him when he had refused to release that list. He used it as part of his campaign to gain support and the topic would never have come up had he not done so.

    When Bill trafficks drugs and little kids it's perfectly fine apparently. Apparently its only bad when someone you voted against does it, when Reagan peddles crack to fund central american fascists it's bad, only when a republican has ties to noncing children it's bad. Listen to your own logic here mate, believing anyone in Washington is there to help you is pure delusion. You can't accuse me of "taking both sides" if I'm not american and I'm against one group of people and that's Washington. Either ways not my country not my business. Just stating my opinion, whether you'll choose to care about if Washington gives 2 shits about you is completely up to you.

    I'm not Russian but it doesn't take a fucking genius to figure out that everyone sitting in their parliament, regardless of what party has the exact same politics and is equally as corrupt, the other parties are only there to give the illusion of democracy, only in Russia elections are rigged and none of the "opposition" parties have any real power.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Then why would they make Republicans vote to block the list? Why not make someone other than Republicans vote to block the list? That makes them look like the child predators.

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    Uhhhh, idfk maybe cuz america's a 2-party state lol. Who tf else is there to block the list? If only they got the monster raving loony party to block the list instead, then they wouldn't have made themselves look like the absolutely guilty nonces they are.

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  • [–] 61 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    It's the DEMONRATS Fault that REPUBLICANS blocked this! the DEMONRATS are the Pedophiles even though REPUBLICANS are the Ones BENDING OVER BACKWARDS to PROTECT Jeffrey Epstein!

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Um, it's too late to protect Epstein.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I mean… If someone has the power to have him put into a solitary cell, pulled out of suicide watch, have all cameras shut down while he “killed himself”; I reckon that person has the power to pull him out and organize a face plastic surgery for him

    Not in a circumstance so pretty please correct me if I am wrong, but I doubt the list is actually real and I think they block the part of the court files where Tramp is mentioned! The guy def knew things, but a list of all the people coming to an island known for illicit things? Please! So why do they wanna block it? They made it up and campaigned really really for its release!

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    So why do they wanna block it? They made it up and campaigned really really for its release!

    Yeah, that's possible. I still think more likely people doing that kind of thing know how good of blackmail material it is and keep a list.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Dude here is an island for illegal things, if you went to this island to do illegal things would you sign a guest list?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    They don't have to. The person blackmailing, has the list. Implicate them and have pictures or video.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    So… there is an automatic guest list on the island of illegal things? Would you go to such an island to do illegal things, if you wanted to do illegal things?

    Of course again, the question arises as I said it before… Is there a need of a literal guest list? The guy knows things, supposedly made explicit videos

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