Is that "cellar" built on the beach? I'm no structural engineer, but that don't sound right.
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Tech bros invent cellars but worse.
This guy mustn't be rich enough to reinvent trains but worse like the others.
I mean, additional insulation is good.
Not sure what else is “tech bro” here
Everybody already knows that food lasts longer if not stored in direct sunlight. Tech bros are the only idiots that would try and pull something like this off.
We can only be thankful that it isn't another train. They love to invent trains.
Wait. Trains are great. Please invent more trains.
No we need to make more trains. You only invent them once.
But the tech bros like to talk about self-driving cars, that drive on special self-driving car roads, that are only for self-driving cars. Yeah that's a train.
Let's build self driving cars that go on special self driving roads that handle all the steering. To minimize fuel losses from friction while being long lasting, the wheels should be made of some kind of metal, and have a specialized shape to stay centered on the self driving road.
Heck, we could market this to trucking companies, with the low rolling resistance, they could hook a bunch of trailers together! Make some sort of a linked-cargo-hauler, that goes to special depots specifically for these extra long contraptions.
I'm so glad I alone thought of this breakthrough in transportation!
Those aren't trains. I don't give a shit if they want to use the word "invented" if it means we actually get trains.
Sure techbros. Be revolutionary. Invent the subway.
You're missing the "but worse" part of the equation.
Yeah, I'm not counting Elon's shit.
Unfortunately, Elon isn't the only one. There's been like a half dozen different times now that people have claimed to solve the self driving car issue by...putting cars on train tracks.
So trains, but worse in every way. Single occupancy, traffic congestion, motors on every pod, traditional rubber car tires, magnetic strips planted into a normal highway for computers to follow, etc. Every time, they've found a way to make trains but worse.
"apocalypse-proof" is pretty tech bro coded.
You people have lost all sense of reality.
You're getting pretty worked up over a lighthearted and frivolous conversation.
With the recent heat waves we've been having it's nice to visit the cellar for a few minutes of cooling down. Of course I can't stay too long because of the radon.
Go diy a radon remover, 3in PVC and a centrifugal fan. Just get it as low as you can to the floor. No reason to get a real system unless you are gonna live there. Any abatement helps.
Edit: If its a dirt floor then it might not help.
I was slightly exaggerating for comic effect. I do have an extractor fan on a timer which stops build ups. It's definitely not rated for human habitation but the servers are quite happy there 😉
That reminds me: I un-vented my crawlspace not too long ago, so now I ought to check it for radon.
My grandparents used to have an air raid shelter in their garden, you could use it to freeze water in the height of summer.
Although I wouldn't recommend storing food down there because it was always damp, and full of spiders. I don't particularly mind spiders but I don't want to accidentally eat them.
How are you supposed to add AI to it without electricity?
tech bros have entered the classical era
Please don't mention anything even remotely related to Civ on this site for the next few days. I have too much to do.
You sure you don't want one more turn at this?
Thankfully for me I find the game too confusing and boring to be enjoyable, because liking it seems like a really bad idea if you have an addictive personality.
Truly. When playing Civ I lose all sense of time, and even when in the mindset of 'I'm gonna save and quit' there's always one more quick thing to do first. I have to police myself hard because I will lose at least a week if I get into a campaign. I'm not even really a gamer. Games I enjoy I have a difficult time playing for more than a twenty minute spurt. But Civ... Civ is like fucking hypnotoad, it overrides all other feelings and desires. If you find it confusing and boring just go with that and you'll be much better off.
Stellaris is the same way. When I got hooked I played 40 hours by Thursday. And I was in college, so I realized then I needed to be careful
That's funny. Stellaris is the one game I have specifically forbidden myself from playing, so it's good to get confirmation that it would ruin my life!
But I really wanna try that Star Trek mod.
It's definitely an enjoyable experience though, I have somehow managed to keep it at 220 hours. I will say after the first couple of games I started adding a titan (an endgame ship that you can build a handful of) to my new save files because I'm here for fun.
Might have to try some of the mods, and lose even more of my life to it!
There are a lot of neat mods that really amp it up.
If you are saying you played Civ and never found yourself saying "just one more turn", you might just come out and admit you are a bot account.
Surprised it isn't called a Ground Pod.
Only if they rent it for $900 per month and list it as a single bedroom with access to subway
Negative Altitude Produce Storage Facility
NAPSF?
needs work.
Hmmmmm...
Cool Enclosed Longterm Lettuce And Root Preserver, Organic Dimension
CELLARPOD
still needs work.
That's not cold enough to preserve food.
Below 40F is needed to preserve food. Ideally, just above freezing, if you don't want to freeze it. I keep my fridge at 35F.
Before refrigeration, they used to store big blocks of ice in similar conditions and the ice would last up to 10 months in there.
Building the cellar on a beach might affect how well it insulates. Loose mini-rocks vs dense soil.
But it's perfect for storing root vegetables like onions and garlic
I keep my fridge at 35.6 F myself, not sure there's any point in going down to 33.8 though I've considered it
Silly... the concerpt of a underground fridge probably predates the word cellar.
Who needs a celler when you can just purchase my newly invented "meat preserving dust".
Wouldn't mind a cool cellar to retreat to at this point tbh. Diggy diggy hole!
But doing it reasonably safely probably costs a fair bit for materials to reinforce the soil.
Hey guys I have just discovered a mechanical device with two wheels that you can use to get anywhere petrol free!
Keep in mind that the stick and cardboard houses those people live in usually have a "crawlspace", nothing more.
They're referring to wood-framed houses that have a layer of what's essentially cardboard between the frame and the plastic vapor barrier that adds rigidity to the framing.
It looks flimsy as hell, but is actually good engineering. Think of it like Ikea furniture that racks until you put the cardboard backing on it, but then is remarkably stable. It also doesn't crack as the house settles or the ground moves, is easy to patch and repair, can be effectively environmentally sealed with tape when you run plumbing or electrical to it, and can be cut to whatever shape it needs to be with a knife.
Meanwhile in Europe, in some places you can literally get a castle for free!*
*Just as long as you can pay the titanic maintenance bill to maintain it to historical standards.
In an era of rapidly evolving technology, there ultimately isn't much point to construct buildings, especially individual homes, that will last for centuries. Yes, the house may still be there two hundred years from now, but will anyone actually want to live in it? Or will it require so much updating that you would be better off just building something new?
If we hit a wall on rapid technological progress, then things will be different. If you can be reasonably certain that human beings will be living much as we do now in 500 years, than building a house to last that long will make sense to me. Until then, why waste the resources?
I definitely want to see houses be made of materials that can be recycled. But raw durability is not itself a virtue. Remember the ultimate truth here. Buildings serve people. That's why they exist. And most people in 2026 do not want to live in a home built for the lifestyle of a 16th century peasant. How many people today know how to tend and cook on an open hearth wood burning stove? Yes, some homes that age do survive. But if anyone is still living in them, they have been heavily renovated and modified, many times over the generations. Old buildings like that are very much Ships of Theseus.
The wisdom of the American style of home construction is precisely in its impermanence. It's an admission that we don't have all the answers for all time, and that many of our choices today will seem foolish to our grandchildren. Yes, American homes can be quickly built and quickly torn down. But that is the entire point.
I am Ozymandius, King of Kings. Look upon my works, ye mighty, and despair.
A friend of ours bought a farm with land for 10k€. The land alone would have been worth that many times over, but the farm house, barn, and all the other buildings are somewhere in the range of 400 years old. And, of course, listed.
So they spent every weekend for over ten years and a fortune into renovating this and making it inhabitable. And the department responsible for historical buildings made the renovation process hell.
It's a real hard problem for localities to get right. On the one hand, you want to preserve old buildings. On the other hand, buildings are expensive as hell. And when those ancient buildings were constructed, they were built by modest people. They were never meant to be super expensive to maintain. But over the ages, techniques that were commonly known then became rare specialties now. Every Medieval peasant could thatch their own roof. Now you'll pay a fortune to bring in an expert in historical construction techniques to do it.
Yes, it would be ideal to require everything be maintained to historical standards and methods, but at some point, people just stop trying. People only have so much time, money, and resources. If you make it too difficult to renovate properties, they can't be updated for regular use. And if they can't be used, then who will put in the money to maintain them? The properties just end up being abandoned and slowly succumbing to the elements.
Some historical artifacts are easy to preserve. Give me a 300 year old violin and ask me to take care of it, and I can do so for almost no cost to me. Just keep it somewhere safe and dry, and it will be preserved just fine. But buildings require constant maintenance, and they are built assuming the easy availability of certain maintenance techniques. Requiring excessive adherence to historical standards does not result in more preserved homes; it just results in old homes being left to rot.
There's no wisdom there, dumbass. They build it that way because it's cheap.
It's a not wisdom of individual builders. They obviously will go for the cheaper option. It's more a wisdom of the crowds/market. A lot of folks outside the US have a cultural aversion to the American style of home construction. There's a lot of areas of the world where even if a builder could affordably construct American-style stick-framed houses, that they simply wouldn't sell. Look how some folks lament the "cardboard, sticks, and glue" that make up American homes, as if an inch-thick OSB panel is in any way comparable to the cardboard boxes used to package food. Even things like "tape," as though the purpose-built and engineered weather-sealing "tapes" are in any way comparable to common masking or Scotch tape. It's like denigrating a well-engineered concrete house as "just a pile of rocks."
Americans have more of a cultural attitude of impermanence. It wouldn't say it's anything like the Japanese, but it's still there. There's an old saying, "in Europe, a hundred miles is a long distance. In America, a hundred years is a long time."
I don't hate the style, I'm fairly well versed in it actually.
But yeah, they're pretty fragile. There isn't a typical house in the US you couldn't cut clean through with a sawzall. No problem. Whatever.
My point was there's no fucking wisdom in it, there's no thinking about the future, there's zero planning ahead. Wisdom of the market my fucking rosy red asshole.
There is absolutely not some grand master overlord scheming about the next upgrade and how to implement it.
It's some fucking dipshit trying to afford more oxys by using the cheapest shit he can.
And they're sure as fuck not using inch thick osb. Christ they don't even use that in commercial unless it's both mandatory and expected to be inspected. 3/4 might be code, 5/8 is what gets used, except everywhere 1/2 will do. Furthermore, OSB, at any thickness, is fucking trash that disintegrates at the first whiff of moisture. You ever see a house in florida with OSB?
But no, the fucking plan, the great wisdom of the market, is to build a sodden pile of shit, that is worth less than any work you might put into it in ten years, pay to have it demolished, and then pay to have it rebuilt.
Meanwhile, the owners of the house built in 1927 are cutting it off the foundation, excavating it, and adding an extra floor. For less money. Some of the lathe and plaster might crack.
I think it's just because many Americans are too poor to build a "real" house combined with the experience of no reason to build a stable, durable home when we're moving on to some newly gained indian land soon enough


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