“I’m saying it right now,” Homan said. “There’s still going to be more bloodshed unless they shut their mouth and let ICE enforce the laws that they enacted.”

DHS has acknowledged that neither of the men who have been shot in recent weeks was the target of the ICE operations that led to their deaths.

A witness reported that Guerrero shouted, “I tried to stop” after being shot by an agent while his vehicle moved forward slowly.

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[–] 259 points 3 months ago (5 children)

The murders will continue until compliance improves.

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  • [–] 76 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    You want to hold us accountable? We're going to murder even harder.

    Now that's what I call a bold strategy.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago*

    I know you were calling on the meme and this isn't against you, but I have to say it's anything BUT bold. It's a coward's strategy.

    "More wrong and harder" is the weak way out of having a critical light shone on one's choices. To most of us it's no big deal, but to these guys -- who know far better than we do the truth of what they are doing -- it's ego death and frightening as hell.

    Is it easier to stand up and take responsibility for all the evil you have done, or to pull a bit of metal on the gun you're holding a fraction of an inch, in order to kill an unarmed person trying desperately to go on living when you confront them with your own will and means to murder them, knowing that afterward your fellow ICE sociopaths will high-five you like it's something to be proud of?

    For those of us with working consciences, that question only gets answered one way.

    For the rest, that's a personal profile of every single serving member of ICE. They already know they're not "defending" jack shit and that immigrants are no danger at all. If they were, ICE would not be shooting at them, because ICE goons regularly run from conflict, as Tom Homan is demonstrating right now, and as they all prove when people whip out cameras and start shouting loud enough.

    These sociopaths RUN from accountability. They signed up for the opportunity to get paid to play The Most Dangerous Game all day every day, they're glad to do it, and the ones who have any shred of conscience/humanity left in themselves are being eaten alive by it, as they should be.

    And Tom Homan is upset that people who do have working consciences are calling bullshit on the whole thing. He's so scared of real accountability that he has equated words with physical danger, lol.

    That's not bold. That's weakness. A fucking snowflake in a skin suit who could never personally bear even a fraction of the suffering he readily metes out to others.

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  • [–] 135 points 3 months ago (19 children)

    "let ICE enforce the laws that they enacted"

    I don't recall anyone enacting a law that said "round up brown people in concentration camps and kill protesters"

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  • [–] 64 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    Also pretty sure it's not ICE's job to enact laws.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    I'm pretty sure by "they" he meant Democrats.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    Probably, but these are not Democrat laws.

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  • [–] -4 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    Might want to check the voting record on ICE establishment, support and funding there sport.

    Right up until well into the 2020s they were a bipartisan effort.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    This reminds me of the "you know, the southern states who supported slavery were all democrats" rhetoric.

    ICE before 2024 was a completely different agency. Trying to argue that the democratic party is somehow to blame for Trump's executive orders, the construction/creation of concentration camps over the last year, and mass hiring of a bunch of untrained white nationalists is an absolutely insane take.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Obama gave the current head of ICE a medal! After appointing him to the job!

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (3 children)

    And Abraham Lincoln was a Republican, and Strom Thurmond was a Democrat, and Stalin was a seminary student! Before becoming an exiled Social Democrat! Oooooh!

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Huh. So you literally don't know that Obama appointed the current head of ICE, Tom Homan, to his position? I'm not surprised that you think it's a crazy piece of propaganda, it surprised me too.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    Huh. So you literally don't know that both humans, parties, and political organizations change over the span of their lifetimes, and very frequently become the opposite of what they started out being?

    Or that others failing to respond to your obvious shoehorn when your "both sides the same" fell flat on its face is not an accurate measure of their personal knowledge on that subject?

    Or that you personally, and not anyone else, brought the word "propaganda" into what others are conducting as a simple online conversation without effort to steer it to a desired political conclusion?

    Unlike yourself, none of this was ever a surprise to me at all. Best go check with your trainer to find out what to say next.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    They do, yep. I do not see how that is relevant to the fact that the Democrats did in fact help build the current border protection system, and deserve a lot of the blame.

    The thing that may redeem them as a party is that they are possibly changing their minds. I recognise that. It does not change their past complicity, especially Biden's.

    And this is not like the shift from Lincoln, or the racist history of the Democrats. This is recent history. Don't be a wanker.

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  • [–] 22 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    Joe Biden spent a record amount on ICE camps while the threat of fascism was obviously clear.

    Obama not only discovered Homan, but awarded him with a medal when Homan devised a plan to separate migrant children from their parents at detention centers.

    Every single dem senator voted to confirm Marco Rubio, who has obviously been one of the biggest champions of "immigration enforcement.

    They're not entirely wrong when they say the Democrats gave them a mandate.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago*

    I mean we have to acknolwedge that Rubio and Homan did not act back then the way they do now. A Christian Nationalist (Nat-C) movement electing a fascist president has a way of bringing the latent bigot out of people that may have been decent at suppressing it in the past.

    People across this nation have been experiencing that on a personal level with their family/friends for the last decade.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    So is it just required to blame democrats for everything republicans do on your instance? You all never seem to miss an opportunity to criticize and blame Dems. Never mention republicans though. Fishy, that.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Why do y'all get so bruised when extremely valid critiques are leveled against the democrats?

    blame democrats for everything republicans do

    Uh, Joe Biden was not a republican. Neither was Obama. And it should be clear the Democrat senators are also not Republicans...

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  • [+] -7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Nobody mentioned either party till you chimed in to bullshit that it's all the Dems faults. Now this is where you call me blue maga or a zionist or some other dumb fucking out of pocket nonsense and call in the ml brigade and sockpuppets too boost your comment and downvote disagreement. Looks like you already got started on part of that.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    you chimed in to bullshit that it's all the Dems faults

    Do show me where this happened.

    Nobody mentioned either party till you chimed

    You did read the headline, right?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago*

    Honestly? We don't think Republicans can do any better, so we don't try to change them. They chose their side a long time ago. They are the enemy.

    Democrats, we know you, we know that you can do better because sometimes you do. You share our values. Even if your political leaders are captured by capitalist interests, you cheer when they do the right thing. So it is very frustrating to us to see you choose wrong.

    It's like being an Australian in the time of Trump. We are seriously worried and horrified about what's going on in the USA, because you are literally our ally.

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  • [–] 93 points 3 months ago

    Here’s the neat part, the murders will continue either way.

    Why should anybody shut up?

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  • [–] 80 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Is this not a crime? Threatening to murder political opposition?

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  • [–] [S] 48 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    He says it with enough ambiguity to claim later that what he meant was: allow ICE to do our job or the nasty immigrants and anti-fascists will cause bloodshed. But of course it's his people causing the bloodshed, not the people they're attacking.

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  • [–] 78 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    "Shut up about the Nazi executions and let them execute your neighbors or we'll shoot you sooner rather than later"

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  • This is a threat directed at the American people. Allow ICE to torture their non white neighbors or there will be more Alex Pretti murders.

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  • [–] 63 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    Man I hope that monster winds up in Leavenworth, or stood up in front of a firing squad, once adults take charge of things.

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  • [–] 42 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Holding people ACCOUNTABLE for Murdering Americans would be POLITICAL therefore we must FORGIVE and FORGET and Hope it doesn't Happen AS BAD next Time!

    -LITERALLY The Democrats!

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  • [–] 19 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    It was so disgusting seeing the """"left leaning"""" news networks sit there giving softball interviews to trump, because otherwise they'd seem biased! You can't just sit there talking about the crimes the presidential candidate is committing, that's too partisan...???????

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    [–] 112 points 3 months ago

    Fuck Tom Homan. War on US citizens.

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  • [–] 50 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Notice the way this balances murders, on the one hand, against talking about the murders, on the other hand. As if those were comparable, as if those were two sides of the same coin.

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  • [–] 46 points 3 months ago

    “I’m saying it right now,” Homan said. “There’s still going to be more bloodshed unless they shut their mouth and let ICE enforce the laws that they enacted.”

    No. And. You can't make me.

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  • [–] 38 points 3 months ago

    That is a public confession.

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  • [–] 35 points 3 months ago

    Turns out the bloodshed also continues if we say/do nothing about it too, so we may as well say/do something about it anyway.

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  • [–] 28 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    Openly admitting to being killers, not allowing free speech, telling to "shut their mouth", down hard in the polls, and doubling down with threats of rigging the elections.

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  • [–] 27 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Very cool. When do we get to the public trials and punishments for these nazis? Are we really just gonna let these idiots run this government until 2028?

    We aren't publicly talking about deposing and jailing these people and that's just unacceptable

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    IF another political party manages to take control of the government (big if) there had better be a shitload of executions for treason.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Yup.

    At this point I won't even feel satisfied with life behind bars.

    If you betray a nation (330 million+ people) you get tried and executed. Period. This nation has done it before for FAR less egregious forms of treason than what we've seen over the last 10 years.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Until 2028? Oh sweetie, 2028 will be just another fascist year at this rate. Seeing things from the outside looks like you are already in a dictatorship but still don't realize. The results of 2026 will tell the world if there will be elections or "elections" in 2028.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago

    It's maddening. At least around my part of the country, the 250th anniversary Independence Day celebrations were fairly muted. It's like people know it in their bones. But you're right, "America" is over, and most of us have realized it yet.

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  • [–] 26 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Ice isn't enforcing any laws. They are randomly grabbing people and in most cases they are let either right away or after a bit of discovery and such. They so badly don't want due process because they are not actually going after anyone legally. Its why people have been deported and returned. They just want carte blanche to be judge jury and executioners.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Yes. Trump wants his own "brown shirts" who will then become the SS division.

    (tangentially I am ticked off they kept stealing Tutonic and Norse symbols (and one very prominent Indian one) and turned them into "symbols of hate". The SS uses Suwilo ( it looks like an angular "s" or "stylized lightning bolt".)

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I get your tangent. Its like. You think your going to valhalla dude. Pretti and goode will go to valhalla. You not so much.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    Communicating in text is sometimes difficult. I expect you weren't saying I'm not gonna go to Valhalla. Putting quotes around the phrase would make it clear.

    I'm more of German descent than Scandinavian and I understand that their mythologies were fairly similar. For example, today's Santa Claus is actually Teutonic Wotan. It blew my mind when I learned that. I'm just very fascinated by Norse mythology. I blame the old Thor comics that I read when I was a kid that were actually versions of stories of Thor in Valhalla.

    Amazingly they were kind of sort of based on the actual legends. The death of Baldr by Loki's treachery, the birth of Sleipnir by Loki when he was in horse form. The half-giant Thor, famous for felling giants.

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  • [–] 71 points 3 months ago (19 children)

    Hey Americans, your precious second amendment? It’s for shit like this.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    No. It’s for the government to conscript citizens to murder tax cheats.

    See Shay’s Rebellion and The Whisky Rebellion.

    2A is for chumps.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    You know what, let's just go to the source:

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    One whole sentence.

    Which is why there's an entire field of U.S. law called constitutional law, and why the Supreme Court's primary role is to decide constitutional questions.

    That also means we can infer the Constitution doesn't specify every type of weapon people should be allowed to own. For example, it obviously doesn't say that citizens should be able to possess intercontinental ballistic missiles.

    What it does mention is "a well-regulated militia." I think that's the more important part of the Second Amendment, even though most people focus almost exclusively on "the right to keep and bear arms."

    A free state can, technically, maintain its own military. That context is often overlooked in modern discussions of the amendment.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    I feel the same. I've tried that angle with gun nuts before. They focus on 'militia' and infer that since the founders understood 'militia' to mean any able-bodied (white, free, man) that would answer the call to defend the territory, that same must hold true today. They also take "well regulated" to mean 'hunter's safety', 'handgun registration', 'serial numbers', and 'hunting licenses'.

    The mental gymnastics put Thomas and the other Reich members on the SC to shame. (not really)

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago (12 children)

    Yep. Sure would be nice if the non-fascist party hadn't didn't decades convincing their supporters that guns are evil and disarming themselves.

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  • [–] [S] 29 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Sure would be nice if all the "we need guns to protect our freedoms from tyranny" people hadn't joined ICE to enforce tyranny at the first opportunity.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

    All of this can be true. I'm exceedingly pissed at how the vocal anti-fed 2A crowd was talking all tough, and now they're licking the heels of the feds as those agencies literally carry out all the conspiracies we were supposed to need that 2A for.

    If Tyranny == Law:
    Rebellion = Duty
    

    ???

    Something like that?

    Ugh. What a bunch of cowards.

    Edit: I'm not even advocating violence. Where's all the peaceful open-carrying protests? That'd at least be a start towards a polite society.

    Thugs in unmarked vans with masks would be a lot more hesitant to beat on civilians with 50 legally carried rifles in the vicinity. Jussayin.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I keep floating the idea that everyone should show up to vote while open carrying.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    100%

    The only way I logically see this going wrong is if some militant MAGAs show up and start trying to stoke a fight.

    It'd be pretty funny though, watching FOX hosts cover such a thing. They'd start screeching, hopping, and shit-flinging while looping the same 5-second footage for a week straight if the "wrong people" were exercising those rights.

    [Shaky iPhone footage of people with shouldered rifles peacefully casting ballots]

    "Oh noh aw deez anteefah pwotestas wif gunz a domethik teewowisth! Pedo wapisth leedah pwz kill, dey vote rawng ;_;."

    Although, forcing the NRA to get somewhere between "Mighty uncomfortable" and "Brain bleed" having to choose between licking fascist boots vs. protecting the second amendment, would be freaking hilarious. 😂

    "Shall not be infringed, dickheads."

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Some of us are quite well armed. There's a saying: if you go far enough left, you get your guns back. There's lots of gun clubs, all across the country, that are left wing. See Pink Pistols and the John Brown Gun Club.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    Nah. That never happened.

    They simply advocated for stricter background checks and a ban on the type of firearms expressly designed to kill as many people (children) as quickly as possible.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago*

    They pushed for banning cosmetic features like carry handles and vertical grips.

    They've spent decades preventing supressors from being removed from the NFA, causing hundreds of thousands to suffer hearing damage because they think a silencer makes a gun quiet when it really brings the volume down to jackhammer-level that won't instantly damage a hunter's hearing from a single shot.

    They effectively stopped the progress on gun safety by creating laws in several states that mandate that once a single smart safety pistol become commercially available that all other guns be outlawed. That lead to the manufacturers refusing to develop the tech for 25 years until the laws were repealed.

    California passed a law prohibiting the sale of any new model of handguns that didn't have a microstamping technology thay doesn't exist, resulting in companies like Taurus continuing to manufacture older guns with known safety issues because the newer, safer models were illegal for sale in California.

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  • [–] 24 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Homan looks like a cancer riddled scrotum.

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  • [–] 24 points 3 months ago

    At this point ICE is a magnet for serial killers. Theres no redemption for an instution that far gone.

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  • [–] 24 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Weird, that sounds like something a Nazi would say

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  • [–] 24 points 3 months ago

    Authoritarianism is an admission of abject weakness.

    White supremacists are the weakest and most brittle snowflakes.

    A healthy, broadly educated population, which feels safe and secure, is incompatible with, and toxic to, conservative and authoritarian ideologies.

    They need you to be sick, stupid, and scared.

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  • [–] 23 points 3 months ago

    Ice is state sponsored domestic terrorism.

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  • [–] 21 points 3 months ago

    "the beatings will continue until moral improves" type shit

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  • [–] 21 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Welcome to the new reality. The United States is a fascist country. It will be a fascist country for the foreseeable future. Face it and prepare.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 months ago

    This stubbed toe in a suit is threatening to kill people.

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  • [–] 38 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    This man is a traitor to our nation.

    If justice is to be restored he must be tried and executed or, at minimum, imprisoned for life.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Not that I disagree, but if we're executing everyone thats a traitor to restore justice, we're gonna have to build a crematorium larger than even the germans could have thought possible to handle all the corpses.

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