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[–] 99 points 3 months ago (36 children)

This is a very rare occasion. In the real hiking community, nobody uses Google maps

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  • [–] 29 points 3 months ago (18 children)

    You don't need to be part of a real community to know this. Google Maps is good to check opening hours and how many reviews an establishment deleted, not for actually getting anywhere.

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  • [–] 19 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    I don't hike, but my experience with regular walking directions is that Google is regularly wrong…because it overestimates how long a trip will take.

    Its directions for driving and public transport (at least where it has cooperation of the local public transport agency, as it does where I live) are excellent.

    Cycling directions are the only one where I'd say a normal person's experience is likely to be a bad one, with it regularly taking you on dangerous busy roads rather than nearby quieter streets or bike paths.

    So I don't find it particularly surprising at all that someone who isn't a regular hiker would make the mistake of relying on it.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago* (4 children)

    Walking speed is very subjective though. Realistically, hikers never agree on time it takes, and a lot of it comes down more to experience with your speed. In my case, I'm actually probably stronger than many people going uphill.. But, downhill, my feet start to hurt and I get slow quickly.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I suspect that Google doesn't account for anything. If I had to guess, I'd say it assumes a certain pace as the normal walking pace, and leaves it at that. Elevation, traffic lights, fatigue, and any other factors that might affect it be damned. So its time estimations for a hiking route are going to be a lot worse than its regular walking estimations. And all that's before you account for, as you say, individual differences.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Gravity walking is the missing link, lift your foot and let gravity pull it down. You'll be going down almost running and it takes barely any energy.

    It's best in places without other humans, as you're basically a locomotive and it takes time to slow down

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    Yeah their maps are pretty shit, often missing paths. I use comaps which is offline open street maps, generally better but can still be lacking. Ordnance survey maps are the best and it isn't even close.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I love OSM because there was an island in the middle of the river in my town and depending on the water height this island gets smaller and bigger, whenever there is a large amount of rain and the river is extremely high the island vanishes. Usually the island disappears from OSM within about 10 minutes and then is re-added when the river drops down to its normal level. Truly Wikipedia levels of pedantic pettiness, and I'm here for it.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Using ordnance survey maps is often like navigating a minefield. The ordinance survey maps are pretty helpful though.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    I use comaps which is offline open street maps, generally better but can still be lacking.

    Nothing is ever perfect and the quality also depends how active the OSM community is. In general Komoot is the common person's way to access OSM data.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    OSM's reliability is very locational. I seem to be the only one that updates my area, which works out well as I have access to where future roads will be, (and I need them on the map for my job) but man. Construction here is crazy and a little assistance would be nice! At least OSM actually accepts my edits and additions, though. Google denies every single one, thus continuing the legacy of shit mapping by them.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    how many reviews an establishment deleted,

    This is something you can do?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Willkommen in Deutschland. Yeah, Google added a „this restaurant has a lot of deleted reviews“ thing because German laws make it very easy for them to take down any criticism (unless customers can prove they were there with a receipt).

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    What would the real hiking community use?

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I hike a lot and use Organic Maps, which is a front end for OpenStreetMaps. Far more detail available on OSM, plus you actually get to choose what's on display, rather than Google arbitrarily deciding that a road/track/landmark aren't important enough to mention.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    Fwiw most people I've seen recommend switching from Organic Maps to CoMaps. The latter is a fork of the former, made because OM was being run in a very untransparent way, including (but far from limited to) the discreet use of closed-source code.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    Perfect example of Google maps issue, is that we did Grampians on the weekend here in Australia. And, it still had a road/track which had been completely deleted (probably long ago). And it wasn't on any other maps.. There was a rusted sign that had been long removed and sawed off sitting where the route clearly used to be, but no sign of route anymore

    These days, most people tend to just use AllTrails or Avenza because they're convenient. For Thru hiking (really long hikes), people tend to use products (apparently) like Captopo which better facilitate planning, tagging on long hikes and time calculations (I am hoping to do a thru hike soon).

    In practice though, stolen untested routes used in Alltrails present their own problems though, as, the Alltrails team don't actually check if the routes are safe or correct. I suspect they just steal them from other sources. But, for most people, its great as its convenient

    OpenTopo/Openstreetmaps are commonly used as the source for a lot of mapping systems though, as it tends to be up to date and accurate in most places. (i use it on my garmin etrex 32x as a backup). I was also advised to use Strava Heatmaps on a hike I am planning to do to find water in certain locations, however, I use GPX Map viewer Pro, and use people I trust for routes if possible (or make my own).

    Google Maps is great for roads, but, the data simply isn't that accurate for anything else. And, there is no good way to report bad hiking routes. With OSM and other things, they can be fairly easily fixed

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    FTFA

    Instead of Google Maps, Lions Bay SAR provided a list of free and paid hiking apps it recommends, including AllTrails, Granite, and Gaia GPS—which can be used as part of the process of properly researching and preparing for a hike or a trip into the backcountry

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    I believe that's very regional, if there's a local hiking club you could try to reach out to them.

    There's often forums dedicated to hiking, which have all sorts of hikes mapped out.

    But a map service like mapy.com (formerly .cz), has the official marked routes as part of their mapping data

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    Why would what I assume is a total novice think to themselves hmm I'm going to find a 5 hour hike for my first time out. So many bad decisions went into what happened.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    Once I met a group on a 50km trail where a significant other inserted themselves in a "friends trip" but had never hiked more than a few km and had definitely never done multi day backpacking

    ... It went about as well as you'd think.

    We got part of the story from the couple as we checked on them, and the full story when we caught up with the rest of the group a few hours later.

    The group said they'd tried to talk the noob out of it multiple times and invited them on multiple short shakedowns but no...

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    How's OpenStreetMap for that and walking around? I've degoogled a bit ago and have been using Co-Maps for cycling and driving navigation, but I never tried using it for nature preserves and trails (or walking around the streets where I live in the US).

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago

    Openstreetmaps with comaps is what I use when I go backpacking, at times having more up to date and accurate information than physical maps. It also does a pretty great job with its time estimations, sometimes it feels the elevation (gain and loss) is off though

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  • [–] 34 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    Who in their sane mind uses Google Maps for hiking?! That shit can't build a proper pedestrian route inside the city...

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  • [–] 19 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    The linked video at the end of the article shows the trail, and it's for sure an expert level trail, full of dangerous sections. The video says the full trail is only 30km long, but they reccommend 2-3 days, it's full of steep sections, cliffs at the side, false trails leading nowhere, unstable terrain, bears... They were lucky they actually didn't get seriously injured.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    There's always a few stories every year about people nearly dying trying to climb mount Snowdon in Wales, and while it's definitely no hill it's also not exactly K2. The problem is that they try and climb a mountain called Snowdon in flip flops and short shorts, because it's warm at the base.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    I was ready to poke fun at the UK because 1km is an unimpressive peak but I see that most the trails start pretty much at sea level so that is one hell of a walk. (And half a million people do it every year!)

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    May I recommens CoMaps. Offline pro privacy and has trails.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago* (3 children)

    All trails is on my avoid list. Pushy, sales driven app. Buggy too. I seem to remember them beginning to try and get social as well. No thanks.

    That's what equity firm ownership gets you.

    I'll stick with comaps.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I'm having second thoughts on Alltrails as well, I started getting very suspicious of them when they started getting rid of their general features but want their users to pay more money, for the same experience. I also noticed that too, with the bugginess. Now the miles most of time for me not being recorded properly. With setting up CoMaps, I really hope I can use it as an alternative.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago*

    Yes, Google maps is bad for hiking. People that don't hike don't know what apps to use or how to recognize difficult trails. We all like to brag about our achievements (I hiked GR-11 in 29 days) but there's very little value in saying "I'm a hiker and I know not to do that". This story is supposed to warn non-hikers.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago

    All you have to do is use your brain to figure out 18km of mountainous terrain is going to take longer than 5 hours.

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    Yeah but that's limited to one state in one country.

    Edit: not saying we aren't awesome, we also have the esteemed WSDOT app and that social media team. Just that these things don't apply and aren't helpful to the vast majority of the world.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    “Okay Google Maps, literally just stay in ur lane”

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Typical Vancouver cidiot behaviour, nothing surprises me anymore

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