The FHWA has not publicly announced or explained the decision to cut the list of safety strategies from 28 items to the current total of 23.

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[–] 1 point 2 months ago

GOP Death Machine accelerates!!!

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    [–] 21 points 3 months ago*

    Conservatives are so fucking dumb

    This will lead to cyclist deaths, and worse (for Conservatives) more bikes having to be on the road with cars

    No matter how car centric they make the country, cars will never be the only form of transportation that exists

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  • [–] 22 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Good! I hate.. checks notes. Things that keep cyclists out of my way?

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  • [–] 40 points 3 months ago (31 children)

    Speed cameras are used more for income than safety, but yeah, the rest of them not being recommended is pretty bad.

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  • [–] 39 points 3 months ago (22 children)

    My state recently installed speed cameras in work zones. Some areas make sense but in one area they had something like 60k fines issues which amounted to millions of dollars. 2 things were discovered: the cameras were extremely sensitive, some drivers recorded their speeds at 43mph but were fined for 46mph. Then most of the money went to a company in NJ, our state (WA) got like 15% of the loot.

    Seems most of these speed cameras are predatory and scams.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago*

    What they do here (not the USA obviously) is subtract the uncertainty of the speed camera from your measured velocity. So for example, the camera might record you driving at 80 km/h, but you would be fined as if you were driving 75 km/h (precise numbers may differ).

    The odometer of cars is (at least here) actually calibrated upward. So it would show (for example) 120 km/h when you're actually driving 115 km/h.

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  • [–] -3 points 3 months ago* (19 children)

    There's a trick that not many people seem to know about that you can do to avoid speeding tickets. Drive at 40 mph or less.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago (15 children)

    Drive 40 and the camera will clock you at 43 and you get fined.

    I won't be in favor of traffic camera enforcement until it's shown that they are safe, reliable, and trustworthy. Red light cameras often have unsafe light timing, for example. A speed camera should have a margin of error. And speed should be controlled by road design, not signage.

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  • [+] -6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

    Speed cameras have repeatedly been shown to improve safety . ~20% reduction in injuries and deaths is worth a few people getting a fine that they shouldn't have.

    A speed camera should have a margin of error

    Almost all jurisdictions have this and will not ticket you for going 43 in a 40

    speed should be controlled by road design

    This would be good in theory, in practice though this is very expensive compared to cameras. So you're asking those who drive safely and those who don't drive at all to pay more in taxes to try and slow down dangerous drivers who can't be asked to check their speedometer.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    You should really read the context a lot more closely next time.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    What context am I missing? The person I replied to said they'd support them if they were proven to improve safety, I gave a source proving they increase safety.

    The only thing I can think of is the guy further up in the thread saying they were ticketing for going 46 when they were 43, which is still over the limit of 40, everyone down voting the guy who mentioned that, and the guy I responded to making up a scenario where they get a ticket for getting clocked at 43 when they were going 40 when that will not happen, almost all jurisdictions will not give you a ticket for going less then 5 over on a speeding camera.

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  • [–] -5 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    If the camera clocks you at 43 then it's faulty and you can appeal.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Speed cameras (and speed traps generally) are usually set up to catch cars that are just passing through town, not the locals. So fighting the fine could mean coming back from thousands of miles away. That's why I let the sheriff escort me to an atm and handed over $300 in cash on my way home from college. To be fair I was speeding, and in a red car. Very young and stupid I was. Now I'm old enough to warn my kids to at least drive a stealthy color

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago

    It's difficult to feel much sympathy when you were actually speeding. It's literally illegal and dangerous and what the cameras are there to catch. Since I got older and stopped driving like a twat, I haven't got any speeding tickets. I totally deserved the ones I got when I was younger because is was driving like a twat.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Do you remember exactly what your speedometer said 12 days, 6 hours, 14 minutes, and 44 seconds ago? How do you plan to fight the ticket, tell them it's too close to call and hope they agree?

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago* (4 children)

    What the fuck are you on about? You appeal tickets based on whether the camera recorded your speed correctly and if it had been calibrated properly. If it clocked you as doing 43 when you were doing 40 then one or the other is the case. Otherwise you were speeding and you deserve a ticket.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (3 children)

    Your speedometer hits exactly the speed limit and never ticks over that, does it? Never? Never to pass, never with a little latent throttle when cresting a hill, never when a truck's draft eases your drag, never when a speed limit gets reduced? Just a peachy perfect driver, eh? I assume you've actually calibrated your speedometer as well and aren't trusting one of the most well-known inaccurate devices in the world, right?

    You have no proof of your exact speed. "Cross my heart, judge, I have never exceeded the speed limit in my life" doesn't work. There's a reason speed readers must be calibrated and a tolerance zone must be excluded. You clearly don't know the first thing about metrology.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    By law, the speedometer error over 30 MPH has to be within -10% and +0%, so if it says I'm doing the speed limit, I'm doing between 36 and 40 MPH. In the UK speed cameras are set to go off at +10% over the speed limit, so there's plenty of room for the needle temporarily going over a bit. Speed cameras have to be regularly calibrated to be able to be used to prosecute people. They are going to be more accurate than your speedometer but your speedometer should never be telling you you are not going as fast as you are. If it does then your car is defective and you should get it fixed. The camera should never go off if you are driving within +10% of the speed limit. It's simply not a problem for people who drive within the speed limit in a roadworthy car.

    I'm not a perfect driver and have been ticketed for speeding. I deserved it because I was speeding, and I knew I was speeding. I didn't make out like I was the victim of some horrible injustice and then bitch and moan about it like a spoiled brat.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    Wait so now 43 is OK because it's within +10% of 40? You said being fined for 43 is the cad eof either actual speeding or a faulty camera. You did not include the part of "per my local regulation's requirement of not issuing tickets until 10% over" before. Still, you said the alternate is actually speeding to which again, I ask, how do you think you'll prove you remember not going 3mph faster than the posted limit at any point 12 days ago

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    The limit was 45... So no, grandma we will not drive at 40.

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  • [–] -3 points 3 months ago

    That's understandable. If you drove at or slightly under the speed limit you might actually burst into flames or your dick might fall off or something. It's not worth it. Keep on speeding and getting them tickets and moaning about it like a spoilt kid.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    I was thinking more along the lines of the moveable rigs with cameras they set up that tell you your speed.
    They are actually owned by the municipalities rather than the third-party fine machines you’re thinking about.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Speed cameras do reduce crashes, injuries and fatalities, ~20% reduction in a lot of cases. If they also generate income from dangerous drivers is that a bad thing?

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Speed cameras help reduce speed. It's undeniable.

    Some places will put speed cams in places with recently reduced speed limits (sometimes lower than the road should be) and would be used to generate income. Some highway speed traps are notorious for this.

    Both things can be true.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    The last time speed cameras went up in my area, there was an increase in accidents overall despite an unrelated reduction in traffic volume (this was during the gas price spike under Bush). They were taken down as soon as they found out all the money was going to the vendor and the local government was losing money on each ticket.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    The same logic applies to cops enforcing the speed limit, some cities will put them in a speed trap to collect revenue, that doesn't mean all cops enforcing speed limits are a scam for revenue or that we shouldn't use them.

    And that is the alternative to speed cameras, more expensive, more discriminating, more dangerous cops enforcing speed instead, because speed has to be enforced or people will die or get seriously injured if we don't.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    The same logic applies to cops enforcing the speed limit, some cities will put them in a speed trap to collect revenue, that doesn't mean all cops enforcing speed limits are a scam for revenue or that we shouldn't use them.

    Yes. I didn't say all X that enforce speed limits are scams. In fact, I said both things can be true.

    I agree that speed cams are better than more cops.

    That doesn't change the fact that some jurisdictions will use them not to improve safety, but for income generation.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    I wish they mentioned whether the sites included posted warnings of the presence of cameras, or real-time driver speed on digital signs. My gut says those cause a bigger and more consistent reduction than cameras themselves.

    And if the signage is inconsistent it would be a big confounding factor

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    I'm sure it depends entirely upon implementation and placement. The cities I've been in that used them had only a few, and everyone knew where they were. The driving behavior just outside of the camera's reach was made worse than it would be without them.

    I wonder how the 20% compares to having LEOs that do actual traffic enforcement, where a human witnesses the violation and physically writes the ticket.

    I'm actually glad they're illegal where I'm at currently. It seems to have a chilling effect on the local surveillance state in general, plus we get to interact with our accuser and, if necessary, appeal much more easily than in places which contract out for autonomous enforcement.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    We should make trump ride a bike. Up one of those busy streets with a painted lane and double parked cars.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Fuck speed cameras they are all 100 percent scams so yes they are not important to safety at all. Strictly a money making venture usually ran by a private company where the city does not even benefit from the funds.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Yeah but it's rather curious that this admin would do away with such an easy money making scheme. Something tells me they are going to replace them with something worse

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago*

    They are skipping the cameras and having the car report your speed directly. No need for cameras win everyone has a gps transceiver in their pockets that’s linked to their identity.

    Also, the cameras are in the cars.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago

    A lot of the most dangerous roads are in... surprise surprise... lower income areas that tend to have a greater proportion of minorities. And traffic death disproportionally affects non rich/white demographics. Despite what people love to parrot, speed enforcement (yes even cameras) increases safety and reduce deaths. Cameras work, and are much cheaper than actual infrastructure investment. So it's no surprise this admin wants to do something vaguely muh freedom that proportionally harms poor/brown people more. Bonus points if your average chode would assume cameras are DEI, which seems likely. We already have something worse - flock.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago*

    USA is heading straight into the dark ages, with AI and robots.

    May god help the world.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago*

    Half-assed bike lanes are horrible for safety though. Ones that put you one foot away from semis, that are full of trash and mud where one slip will send you into traffic, or that end randomly and abruptly or suddenly turn 1 foot wide, and drivers unconsciously will drive into the already tiny lane without slowing down or get blown into it by a gust of wind. Going in a car lane is much safer since there's more distance between you and cars and they will usually move into the other lane to pass. Personally I feel a lot safer on a 6 lane high traffic road with no bike lane than a smaller road with a shitty bike lane.

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    [–] 22 points 3 months ago

    The Department of Transportation is doubling down on its campaign against "DEI bike lanes," as Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy called them in a social media post earlier this month.

    JFC. I mean, I shouldn't be surprised, but somehow I still am.

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