In a set of fascistic speeches on Thursday, Secretary of State Marco Rubio, White House power broker Stephen Miller, and other top Trump administration officials labelled the political left as a “terrorist” threat and vowed to use all of the tools at their disposal to systematically destroy left-wing groups. Representatives from 67 countries gathered in the U.S. on Thursday for a meeting…

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[–] 126 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I used to think it was a bit hyperbolic to say everything they say is projection, but you know...

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  • [–] 85 points 3 months ago (18 children)

    Here in the United States, we have taken the necessary and essential action of formally recognizing left-wing violence as a form of political terrorism that is a direct threat to our national security and survival of our republican form of government,

    Oddly telling how he doesn't say "a threat to our democracy".

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  • [–] 28 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Feels like the R in "republican" should have been capitalized.

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  • [–] 21 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)
  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    left-wing violence

    Isn't it interesting how they never give actual examples when they say shit like this? You'd think it would be trivial since it's such a pressing issue.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    He's a white supremacist fascist piece of shit so he means minorities not imprisoned and enslaved & fair elections where one person holds one vote not weighted by gerrymandered counties or low population states when referring to left-wing violence.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    Isn't it interesting how they never give actual examples when they say shit like this?

    Yeah, you know! Left wing violence! Like that gang that wears the masks, always going around dogpiling and point-blank-executing U.S citizens at home, in church, on the street... That kinda violence? Pfffft.

    Republican policy is exceedingly simple and always boils down to one simple statement: "It's okay when we do it."

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    Just for perspective, I learned in American public school in the 1990s that the US is a democratic republic, not a democracy. This is correct, even though these rectal tumors are weaponizing it.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    The Republican party have been using that line to foster anti-democratic sentiment for decades. My trumper dad is literally at the point where he has told me, "we don't want democracy. Democracy means 'mob rule'".

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    A democratic Republic is a democracy though...

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    Yes, it's nominally supposed to be, but it lets you put the emPHAsis on the other syllABle so that when you want it to become less of a democratic republic and more of a Republican White-Christofascist Theocracy it doesn't sound like such a drastic change because it's still got the same word in it.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    No I dont think it is. How often does what the people want happen in congress? like 0-1% of the time right? studies have shown this. We all need to stop pretending this is a school house rock episode. Neither political party cares about their voters issues. This is not a democracy. We are ruled by people accountable to rich donors, and thats that.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    Red state education? The US is a representative democracy. The word "democracy" does not automatically imply direct democracy.

    The magats intentionally play these childish word games so they can justify their authoritarian, anti-American wet dreams.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    I don't actually think so. There are democratic elements but the president isn't elected by popular vote. There's universal suffrage but in practice a large percentage of the population is disenfranchised. There's no power of recall in most instances of public office. Then there are the practicalities of running for office which only allows for a small elite... at what point do you still get to call this a democracy given all of its republican and oligarchic features?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago*

    How is that any different from any other democracy? The term was birthed in Athens where only free men could vote and in practice the oligarchy held must of the power. There's always been a hypocrital element to the word.

    That doesn't mean we should surrender to magat word games.

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    If Stephen Miller got ass cancer, I would feel bad for the cancer.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Reminds me of a story about Randolph Churchill:

    In the mid-1950s, surgery revealed that a tumor on his lung was benign. His friend Evelyn Waugh burst into the bar at White’s Club: “They’ve cut out the only part of Randolph that isn’t malignant!”

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  • [–] 60 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    If they come for me, I'm going, make no mistake.

    But some of them will go with me.

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  • [–] 71 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I really hate that my entire life I thought this sentiment was just crazy talk from loons.

    This is the first time in over 50 years I feel like it’s now the right sentiment.

    I hate this.

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    In 1944, the US Office of Strategic Services published the Simple Sabotage Field Manual; a document aimed at the unhappy citizens of fascist nations, to instruct them on how to sabotage the economic and military capacity of their own nation. I'm not saying that Oskar Schindler ever read it, but the movie line "Stern, if this factory ever produces a shell that can actually be fired, I'll be very unhappy" is definitely in the same spirit.

    One need not work in weapons manufacturing, either. The manual suggests sabotage techniques for every kind of worker. For example, office workers could help decrease their fascist nation's economic power by insisting that every decision be made by committee, slowing output.

    The manual is fascinating in that it's focused on people who are afraid to be "heroes", instead suggesting sabotage methods that entail little to no personal risk.

    https://archive.org/details/SimpleSabotageFieldManual/page/n2/mode/1up

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    Yes. Large-scale sabotage is, well, large-scale. And it tends to be investigated until the saboteur is found. Whereas a widespread movement of many small individual acts of sabotage can often be harder to detect as having been sabotage at all. For example, clogging a coolant system with adulterants that are plausible to have found their way in through laxity in operation, so that when the machine it cools goes kaput, a post-mortem makes it look like the work of wear-and-tear, operator error and insufficient maintenance. Such a saboteur can go undiscovered and live to sabotage another day.

    And the same principle applies to non-mechanical sabotage. As mentioned with "every decision by committee", it can often be done entirely in the open and still be undetectable as sabotage.

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  • [+] 156 points 3 months ago (2 children)
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    How dare you peasants think you get "rights" and shouldn't have to work till you die for oligarchs! Just shit out more kids we can molest and get back to your twelve hour shifts that aren't going to pay for your rent while we continue to destroy the world around you!

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  • [+] 47 points 3 months ago (14 children)
  • [–] 25 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Has the US forgotten already that Hitler looked at the US race laws with admiration in Mein Kampf?

    This isn't new. This cancer has never been excised, just bandaged over because it became inconvenient to capitalist interests at the time.

    As far as I can see, this shift back towards fascism in the US is the response to the rise of China as an economic and military power.

    Some of this rise is attributable to the decline of favour of fossil fuels, and China's position as market leader in solar and wind generation technology. This is why Trump has a hate for renewable energy, and such a throbbing micro-peen for oil. The US is being left behind, fast.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Has the US forgotten already that Hitler looked at the US race laws with admiration in Mein Kampf?

    Forgotten? Most schools here probably don't even teach that. I would bet that most Americans are not at all aware of this fact.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Many Americans probably think they liberated the entirety of Europe during WW2 with a little help from the British and Canadians.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    [Nervous laughter remembering my history class textbooks...and the History Channel specials...and appreciating how games like Medal of Honor and Call of Duty showcased many other countries' contributions to the effort I was never even aware of]

    Heh. Heh? :3 lol

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    I remember really liking, I think it was Call of Duty 4 (?) as a kid because the main character was a Soviet soldier, and it was such a fresh perspective for that kind of game.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (1 child)

    Are we thinking of World at War maybe? The one where you were a sniper stealthily sneaking through the Red Square with a Mosin Nagant?

    That game was amazing. Along with Medal of Honor: Allied Assault, I've played it through multiple times.

    MoH:AA also featured a brief stint as the Soviets, too.

    Both also made sure we knew the PPSH "pe-peh-sheh" is one of the coolest SMGs ever made. :D

    I remember Call of Duty 3 on the Wii had a section where you played as a Polish tank crew!

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  • [–] 18 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Republicans are spineless cowards. Always have been.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    I think until I see real Americans taking to the streets on mass, all Americans are spineless cowards.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    2nd amendment cosplayers been larping this whole time!

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    This pisses me off beyond all reason.

    EDITS: Lol I kept remembering more and more empty platitudes every few seconds...

    "Rah rah, sheepdog. Rah rah the fedz are comin. Rabble rabble Ruby Ridge and Waco. Rah rah learn mixed unit tactics to take on the glowies. Muh gunz protec muh free speech. Live free or die. Molon Labe. 1776 no step on snek! Remember the rooftop Koreans! It's our Constitutional right to open carry at protests! The feds are planning death camps for dissenters! An armed society is a polite society! When tyranny becomes law rebellion becomes duty!"

    [Armed gangs of LARPing fatasses in Walmart gear and balaclavas start killing Americans in the streets and dragging citizens into unmarked vans to take to blacksites on foreign soil without due process of any kind.]

    "WeLL, tHeY'rE LaW eNfOrCeMeNt ThO...tHeY aRrEsT cRiMiNaLs. . ."

    [crickets]

    "...Wut?"


    For the record, they were mostly right about all that stuff, on the surface.

    But when it comes time to show that American spirit and "nut up or shut up" ...they choose to shut up.

    ...Or they actively goosestep in line with a pedo-billionaire mass murdering megalomanic nazi who's robbing them and selling them out by the day. . . because that makes sense.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    As an American, you are somewhat right. But there is massive swaths of people who are not even looking or self reflecting at all. Not because they choose to, but because they hear the word government and run. Most are super short sighted. It isn't fear they drives thier actions, it's that they are currently not in danger in thier minds. They will get a rude wake up call, but know there are pleanty of people who will gladly do harm to evil people, but I implore you to understand that physical distance to evil is a huge factor slowing rebellion.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Especially in the broader republican side at large.

    The entire party are fascists. Simple as that.

    If you don't stand up to fascism in your own party, you are also a fascist.

    If this country had its shit together we'd end the Republican party here and now. There's no room for a fascist party in any functional nation.

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  • [–] 43 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Miller is 100% pure Nazi. De-nazification needs to happen soon.

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  • [–] 38 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    "Fascistic" means like fascism. This isn't like fascism, it is fascism.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    You know what?

    I know in history class, they said some people ignored Hitler’s rise to power — believing he wouldn’t get very far.

    Americans thought that of Trump in 2016. Trump thought that of Trump in 2016.

    I’m at a point now where, if you’re spewing fascist shit, you’re a threat. I see you as an immediate threat, because the problem is that we haven’t been taking people like you seriously.

    Don’t get fooled a third time.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I see you as an immediate threat, because the problem is that we haven’t been taking people like you seriously.

    Wow, welcome to fucking 2003. Are you going to actually do something now or have you tired yourself out already?

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago

    I think a lot of people assume we have to be at full blown Nazi genocide before "fascism" or "fascist" can be reasonably used.

    Nope.

    It's fascism now. Already. Currently happening. Here in America. Now.

    We just haven't reached the apex....yet.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago*

    Not necessarily. It can describe both fascism in action as well as things similar to it. This is the Merriam-Webster entry:

    : advocating for or working to further the aims of fascism : fascist

    a fascistic organization

    Going 7,000 miles across the globe, toppling two fascistic governments and establishing democracies in their places … is, by historical standards, an unprecedented military achievement.

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  • [–] 36 points 3 months ago (26 children)

    What confuses me about this administration is that they seem to be aiming to make any political belief or action that does not support them worthy of a lengthy prison sentence.

    ... but [REDACTED] is also a lengthy prison sentence. So they've removed the incentive to not [REDACTED].

    In other words... why design a system where your opponents have nothing to lose? They will be pushed towards acting like they have nothing to lose.

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  • [–] 26 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    Because they want an excuse to implement martial law that their base will accept. An "enemy within" that turns violent is exactly the pretense they're stoking for this, even if it's obvious they invented everything that caused it.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago* (6 children)

    I see this sentiment a little more frequently than I see the following that I'll paraphrase:

    "They're doing this to egg on a response [so we should not give them what they want by pushing back]" is an accidental or intentional PsyOp campaign.

    If your opponent threatens to fight you if you fight back, you would choose to surrender before the fight begins?

    It's an incredibly effective PsyOp when arguably the largest downside of anti-MAGA people is their rampant apathy, and that sentiment is like gasoline to a fire. "Oh, the enlightened response is to stay home like I did in 2024? Sick."

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    If your opponent threatens to fight you if you fight back, you would choose to surrender before the fight begins?

    Nah, but we should wait until we know a democratic method (voting) won't work to remove the fascists. Once we cross that line, then we can resort to the actual fighting back.

    Because the best case scenario here is that they want us to actually fight back so they can impose martial law, but we don't, then we win by voting them out without any widespread violence and they never got to play their martial law card.

    If it doesn't work, and we realize they've corrupted the electoral process and stolen an election, then we grab our pitchforks (guns) and properly do what a bunch of inbred redneck traitors failed to do on Jan 6, because they're stupid and of course they didn't have any semblence of an actual plan.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    "We should wait until it is too late. That will be the perfect time to act. Just a little longer..."

    Okay, if you say so. Again, accidental or intentional PsyOp.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    people are just scared. rightfully so.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    I totally get that. It's certainly why I'm not doing more.

    But "let's not oppose them because they want opposition" is playing more into their hands than opposing them is. I get it's a Lose-lose but let's not go for the Lose because we don't want to lose.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    The only constant goal has been to get us to turn on each other. It's been constant for at least 10 years. I figure "destroy America from within" was Putin's directive.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (5 children)

    I wish we could just blame this on Putin but the truth is our own ruling class have been working towards this for the last 70 years.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Porque no los dos?

    The ruling class is generally international. Russia's oligarchs have more in common with US oligarchs than the US working class has with either of them.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    I don't disagree but the concerted effort was specifically undertaken by the U.S. ruling class to undo the progress made by The New Deal and FDR. The Soviet Union of 70 years ago is drastically different than the Russia of today. Of course oligarchs are going to oligarch and at the end of the day there's no war but the class war but wealthy Americans specifically set out to fund think tanks to shift American politics to the right.

    I feel like it's important they own this, blaming foreign interference gives the domestic ruling class a pass they shouldn't get.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    I just really dislike the idea of blaming the peanut butter for a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    The peanut butter was there first though and organized and actively worked to make the bread softer and more ignorant about salami and pepperjack.

    Jellys arrival mighti've been the death knell but if they're ever put against a wall, the peanut butter should be first in line.

    We're basically in agreement though and I'm just splitting hairs, ultimately there's no war but the class war.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    That's exactly what they want. If they have nothing to lose, they fight back, then the right can point at that and use it as confirmation of their originally bullshit claims. Fascism 101.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    I see this sentiment a little more frequently than I see the following that I’ll paraphrase:

    “They’re doing this to egg on a response [so we should not give them what they want by pushing back]” is an accidental or intentional PsyOp campaign.

    If your opponent threatens to fight you if you fight back, you would choose to surrender before the fight begins?

    It’s an incredibly effective PsyOp when arguably the largest downside of anti-MAGA people is their rampant apathy, and that sentiment is like gasoline to a fire. “Oh, the enlightened response is to stay home like I did in 2024? Sick.”

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago* (7 children)

    Oh, sorry, don't mistake my explanation for complacency. I'm all for fighting these fascist pieces of shit by any means necessary. You're damned if you do, damned if you don't, might as well do.

    Label me a terrorist? I'll show you one.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (4 children)

    ... are you insulting someone for agreeing with you? That's pretty goofy.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (3 children)

    Didn't really seem to be agreeing or disagreeing, you're just saying things lol. Your comments didn't seem to have much purpose other than describing in further detail what is being said like some kind of AI subtext generator. Hence, goofy.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    It's not a wildly inaccurate accusation that sometimes people who agree do a bit of circlejerking and I can see that angle of what I said if you want to be a bit nasty; I just figured you and anyone else reading the thread would be interested in the fact that what you said is a well-documented phenomenon with a name and Wikipedia page and everything.

    Between your first comment that I replied to and your expressed irritation with friendly banter that irritates me in turn, I'll do us both a favor and go ahead and make it so we can never bother each other again.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (1 child)

    Lol okay then. I'm sure you already blocked me, but apologies if I misread your intent. Perhaps I'm too inclined to read hostility into messages on the internet.

    Cheers, mate.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Honestly I forgot to block you and closed the tab because I was multi-tasking, but what gave you the impression I was being hostile???

    Not to say it's impossible to read hostile intent in neutral text, because it's super common, but... I just don't see it.

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  • [–] 34 points 3 months ago

    He looks like Vladimir Putin’s bastard son.

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  • [–] 33 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    This little dweeb so desperately needs to be thrown into prison for decades.

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