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[–] 146 points 3 months ago (7 children)

I remember in school learning about the different areas of the tongue tasting different things, and then we had an experiment to try it, and everyone was like "wow it works!" but I told the teacher it didn't work for me, and I got told I was doing it wrong =w=

Anywho, the entire thing about different tastes being localized to different areas is bullshit, so that's 1 point to me and 0 to the teacher

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  • [–] 44 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    My daughter and I did this for one of her science projects. I would drop lemon juice or sugar water somewhere on her tongue, and she was able to taste everything everywhere.

    It was so long ago I don't remember, but I hope we got a good grade on that one!

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago

    Yah you didn't succumb to confirmation bias. I knew as a kid this was wrong because they said viewer was treated in the back... yeah then explain when i got laundry detergent on my fingers forgot about it and when to clean my fingernails layer and the tip of my tongue is absolutely tasting bitterness.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    We “learned” that in 6th grade science.

    I remember the same teacher had a test question which was something like “you and a friend are playing at a landfill, and your friend spills sulfuric acid all over themselves, what should you do?” and the ‘correct’ answer was “pour sodium hydroxide on the spill” instead of my answer of “pour water on the spill.”

    I had another science teacher who made a huge deal about her chronic Lyme, which is this really weird alternative medicine thing.

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  • [–] 125 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    30 years ago, it was still taught that we Belgians went to the Congo out of benevolence, to help lift up the people there. Not one mention of rubber quota or chopped off hands. Fuck that indoctrination.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    It wasn't even "the Belgians." It was the king that owned the place, if I remember right.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    Absolutely correct. Curriculum probably couldn't get into those matters of transition in fear of exposing the rotten stories surrounding it.

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  • [–] 100 points 3 months ago (12 children)

    France: the French revolution was poor people rioting. We are starting to accept that it was rich people killing each other to replace monarchy, and using poor people as a side-effect, kind of like... what we have right now, what a coincidence!

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  • [–] 57 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    It was "self-made" rich people (bourgeoisie) vs "birthright" rich people (nobility). We still got some cool side-effects though. Some of those bourgeois legitimately kick started what we call left and progressive politics today (Maximilien Robespierre, Jean-Paul Marat).

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  • [–] 22 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    A lot of the early (1789) revolutionaries were from the nobility and even the clergy. Many of the reactionaries were up and coming bourgeois who were about to make their way into the nobility. Sorry Marx, you got a few things right, but that one was an oversimplification.

    The vast majority of the victims of the reign of terror were commoners. The nobility were underrepresented at the guillotine, besides a few obvious high-profile cases.

    It appears as though Robespierre legitimately lost his mind at some point. He attempted to introduce a “cult of the supreme being” with himself as high priest that focused on adhering to his own idea of virtue. Anyone not virtuous enough, which was effectively literally everyone else, was liable to be executed.

    Early in the revolutionary wars, the revolutionaries had arrested so many people that the Paris jails were super overcrowded. Some people didn’t want the armies to leave Paris for the front lines because maybe all those jailed people would break out and cause trouble. So Marat proposed that they reduce the incarcerated population… by killing them all. September 1789 was a bad month to have been a petty thief in Paris.

    So many of the popular notions about the revolution are distorted or just ass-backwards.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Yes, Marquis de Lafayette was a famous example of a noble going against the privilege system and in favor of democracy.

    I think Robespierre is one of the pioneer of both left ideology, and left extremism leading to autoritarism and its crimes as we later saw in communist Russia and China.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (3 children)

    is one of the pioneers of both left idiology and left extremism

    Thomas Münzer and the peasent revolts with the Memminger Charter and the ditmarscher peasent republic: Hold our beer we'll join

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    Thomas Münzer

    Thanks for sharing, I didn't know about how m. It's quite intriguing that his revolutionary ideas came from his theology according to his wiki page.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    If i may, please look into Kurt Eisner as well! And especially the type of democracy he wanted for bavaria and later germany (a council republik where you also elect your workplace leaders and can always unelect them!)

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    People seem to forget that it almost immediately led to a military dictatorship

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    It did definitely did, the Terror and then Napoleon empires were dictatorships. It took a century for a a democratic republic to stabilize with improvements for the common people happening progressively (under early republics but also under the empires).

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago*

    Thats how they teach it? Even here in germany (atleast in my state bavaria) they teach it that the revolutionaries were from all paths of life. Even some clerty and a few minor nobles were on their side. But the main front were the bourgeoisie (land owning city people)

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    I think that's still an oversimplification.

    The revolution started after the king called the Estates General in hopes of solving the debt crisis that had come in a large part from funding the American Revolution. The Estates General was a body made up of representatives of the three estates, the aristocrats, the clergy, and everyone else. The representatives of the third estate we're primarily new money bourgeoisie, but they were elected, unlike the other two, and could therefore claim to represent the people. After failing to come to an agreement, the representatives of the third estate broke away and formed the National Assembly.

    How much the National Assembly actually represented the people is debateable, but they did have some claim to that, unlike the other groups. There were also several mass actions like the storming of the Bastille that indicated support for what the representatives were doing, at least in the early years of the revolution.

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  • [–] 89 points 3 months ago (17 children)

    Working hard will get you rewarded. When really you get dunked on with more work.

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  • [–] 22 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Many countries, like America, had actual economic mobility. There was a time where working hard could improve your economic status.

    My family lost everything. Twice. Once to over-leveraging before a mortgage collapse in 83, and secondly to a house fire. We lived in an absolute fleabag of a moldy motel, a stereotype like you'd see on-screen, for about 10 months. The mold was so bad we had tiny mushrooms.

    We got back, both times, to a stable home life in a mortgage and a fresh start. Dad paid off his home before retirement, by working his absolute ass off.

    That's just not feasible now, just one generation later.

    Anyway, there was a time when hard work did get you something; so treat that as a historical thing and not a falsehood.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    for people who are workaholics that is a reward.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    until you are burnt out from overwork and can't move positions because you are "too valuable in your current role"

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    so just quit. if you're that good of a worker you'll easily get another job, probably with better pay.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    Not everyone has the luxury of quiting a job on a dime like that and constant rejections when looking for a new job while being dogpiled at work will not help someone's mental state.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    but you have the luxury of being miserable and overworked, OK.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago* (4 children)

    i love fedi, everyone goes 'no but u'

    reminds me of 4th grade.

    clearly fedi is full of very mature superintelligent linux users, who resort to grade school insults when you don't agree with them.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    What are you talking about

    People living paycheck to paycheck can't just quit, and sometimes can't even take time off to go to interviews and stuff. Living like this is often not a choice.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago*

    i thought we were talking about people who were good workers getting punished with more work for working hard.

    not people living paycheck to paycheck. that's an entirely different issue.

    but hey, we can keep changing the subject. what about single moms with no education living paycheck to paycheck in rural areas?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    I may not be the only one left in the 4th, after all you are the one that is trying to downgrade a complex issue with a "so just X"

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago*

    how is changing jobs a complex issue? people do it all the time.

    sorry, I don't believe in the fedi default doomerism perspective, and yeah I know that is 'very insulting' to a lot of posters here. i'm an advocate of people improving their situations and being happy, again very unpopular perspective on fedi.

    I find most folks I encounter, when reporting how miserable and unhappy they are, refuse to change anything and just double down on their misery... and frankly well that is their fault entirely. Some people are in awful situations, but the truth is you won't ever get out of one unless you change things to get yourself out of it. The world isn't going ot magically result you from yourself.

    But I get that is 'hard' to swallow and people would rather daydream than make active changes in their lives to improve their well-being. I'm very familiar with it in my personal life and I'm also very familiar with how bitter many of those people are towards people who have made changes to their lives and reaped the benefits, and cast it off as if it was 'so easy' for us.... instead of taking years of hard work and dedication and owning up to your mistakes such that you don't make them again.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    I think it's true, but I'm very few places. In the Marines, I was able to turn hard work into promotions, and now I'm regular life, I turn hard work into extra money, but only because I work for myself. So basically it only works in socialism or if you're at the top of the ladder.

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  • [–] 74 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Checks and balances in the US government. Government of the people, by the people, and for the people. Constitutional rights being unassailable.

    All these are lies. I think it can be fixed, but it won't be easy.

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  • [–] 21 points 3 months ago

    That's less a lie and more 'teaching the ideal.' The problem isn't learning how the system is supposed to work. That's how you learn to be a mechanic. You learn how an engine is supposed to work so you can spot where it's gone wrong. The issue is more one of there are millions of people and they get 10 minutes on how it's supposed to work and then only 3 of them go into politics and learn how it actually works/doesn't work. Democracy requires more than a one week chapter on civics, once a year. We all have to be mechanics, or at least be prepared to try.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    I think it can be fixed

    I mean, good luck. The Principle-Agent Problem is a classic of sociology, particularly with respect to business. If you can solve it, there's a Nobel in Economics waiting for you.

    Democracy is an attempt at aligning in the interests of the plurality principles with their government agencies. But there's obviously a whole lot of flaws with democracy generally speaking, even before you get into the particulars of the American system.

    I do think that the Lockean Social Contract, as the foundation for any governmental system, is a more interesting and more well-thought-out concept to explore than the mythology surrounding the American three-branch system. Chomsky's Manufacturing Consent does an excellent job of breaking down how a public body can be turned against its own interests. Zinn's People's History gives a ton of insight into the underbelly of the American political beast and how people respond to industrial and state oppression. State and Revolution does an excellent job of describing the role of the state in society and how it can best be dismantled.

    But the endless debate around whether US Government works as described or intended really loses the forest of social economy for the ideological tent post trees. Fetishization of the US system only contributes to its rot and our own downfall.

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  • [–] 50 points 3 months ago* (8 children)

    Listening to authority with no critical thinking will make your life easier.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    They don't even teach that in the army, dude.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Isn't that the exact type of viewpoint the army wants in their soldiers? What are you talking about?

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    They went over handling bad orders in basic training man.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Seems like a lot of soldiers still obey bad orders.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Look man, saying that the army wants a complete lack of critical thought in its soldiers is an entirely different conversation from 'do soldiers even have critical thinking skills'. You gotta pick one before we can communicate together.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (2 children)

    I was talking about lies that schools teach.

    I'm trying to engage in conversation with you in order to figure out how that was connected to my original statement about the lies that are frequently taught in schools.

    Also I'm not a man.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    Oh. Hey Velma. Sorry about the misgendering. Won't happen again.

    *edit

    My critical reading skills went out the window today.

    You can read the previous stuff, but corsicanpuppy was saying the not even the army, which is more famous than public schools for dlsiking free thought, taught that listening to authority without giving it any critical thought was the way to go, much less public schools.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    I appreciate that, thank you :)

    Yeah I think I was getting tripped up on corsicanpuppy's comment. They don't usually agree with me on anything lol. I was here just to talk about the school thing. Carry on!

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  • [–] 47 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    They still teach the bullshit Thanksgiving story in most schools in the US.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    still? That's actually really surprising. Not sure if that's more of a whitewash or more of a greenwash. Like maybe the teachers are racist idiots, but maybe they know and just like the tradition and want to give the kids something fun to do that feels good in a dark world. I don't think greenwash is the right term for that, but yeah.

    I know a couple teachers that teach younger kids, I'll have to ask what they do.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    I don't know what the existential results of teaching them their country is based on slavery and genocide. History for children is just as much about mythology as anything.

    Maybe some Germans can answer this question.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I would be willing to bet that whatever the Germans teach it isn't some version of "and the jews were so happy that they piled into the trains and camps."

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  • [–] 40 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    What they teach: humans only have five senses (touch, smell, etc) What is true: humans have ~20-30 senses (including time, balance, and many more)

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (6 children)

    5 senses

    4 states of matter

    fossil fuel (oil is made from dead dinosaurs)

    the American Dream

    China is evil

    Communism is bad

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)

    We were taught 5 states (solid/liquid/gas/plasma/condensate (BEC and superconductors)), which has always felt like a decent enough explanation for 3rd graders. If you barely understand how to read a phase change diagram, you don't really need the confusing duality of being told "hey so this is totally wrong if you're a chemist, but fundementally true if you're an engineer" when you're still iffy on concepts like "vacuum boiling is not witchcraft".

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    I'm clearly a bit older (prior to plasma categorized) and was taught 4.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Huh, that's really interesting. I'd have expected it was prior to condensate being introduced, not plasma, since plasma can be easily demonstrated in the classroom but condensates have really only been easily demonstrable for at most two decades. Very curious - do you remember if you had a standardized curriculum, and if so which one it was?

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I also found it weird, I was taught 3 in school, but Plasma was already being considered a different state, just wasn't taught in schools. Condensate had only just been experimentally created and I didn't even knew about them until this thread.

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  • [–] 34 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    That Europeans discovered the 'new world', and that it was inhabited by 'savages' aka people with forgettable cultures, skills, and lifestyles.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Which certainly persists to this day. People saying that the USA is "only 250 years old" while ignoring all of the First Nations/ indigenous peoples. It even ignores all of the European peoples that were there before the it was called USA.

    I don't seem to encounter this with Canada very often which is interesting. And if we are going off of dates the current nation/ government is created why don't people say "oh well Germany is a young nation, they don't understand history"?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago*

    because through happy accidents (US tried to consciously do this through denazification but that was abandoned, while the USSR did successfully consciously do this for East Germany), the young (West) Germany was instilled with an extremely high sense of historical remorse partly because they were young.

    i’ve never heard people say even half of “US is a young nation, they don’t understand history”

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  • [–] 33 points 3 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 188 points 3 months ago (14 children)

    The United States was founded on principles of liberty and equality for all.

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  • [–] 85 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    While I was taught that in elementary school, I was also taught about the 3/5ths compromise as early as middle school. By the time high school rolled around I was being taught about reconstruction and the corrupt bargain of 1877. I guess I’m lucky I got a good education in the north because I am aware that’s not necessarily the standard nationally.

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  • [–] 31 points 3 months ago

    I was also taught these things in the south, living in North Florida. As part of a 1 semester Florida history class in middle school, we also went into each of the spanish conquistadors and how they murdered their way across the continent.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    My AP history teacher gave us copies of Zinn's A People's History of the United States as a supplemental to our textbooks. She was an awful teacher overall, but I appreciated her trying to make sure we had multiple perspectives.

    Then I went to an elite east-coast private college, where I almost failed US History because I called the professor out for teaching Lost Cause bullshit.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Any academic peddling lost cause bullshit is a complete joke. Just curious, were they from the south?

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago

    Of course they were.

    He also characterized the 2000 election as "a perfect tie" that could've just as easily been decided by a coinflip instead of the more historically agreed upon view of the Supreme Court ratfucking Florida's recount.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    Yeah we talked about colonialism in my middle school.

    However, it was discussed as a fact of history and we went into detail about the slave trade triangle and all that.

    And we did it without politicizing it. It was facts-based rather than pushing some weird political narrative about how america is heroic, or america is evil. Fancy that... just teaching history.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    Sometimes moralizing is necessary. In Canada we had one teacher go into detail on the kidnapping of indigineous children and the residential schools they were sent to where they were often beaten or raped. I'm glad that teacher did that since many of my contemporaries were not aware of that history and some remain oblivious into adulthood. There's nothing worse for a nation than people having a false sense of pride in it (as we're seeing in the US currently).

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago*

    In Canada we had one teacher go into detail on the kidnapping of indigineous children and the residential schools they were sent to where they were often beaten or raped

    That isn't moralizing dude. That's just telling facts.

    The moralizing/politicizing part is when you tell the kids that it's their fault and they should feel bad about it. It isn't, and they shouldn't.

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  • [–] 37 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

    Technically, it was founded on the principles of liberty and equality for all. Just not the practices of liberty and equality for all. it was an aspiration, a goal of our forefathers.

    But the way they teach it in school is pretty deceptive— as if it was all accomplished magically on that day in 1776, when, even today, it’s a constant struggle— a goal that we’re much closer to, but still remains elusive. that’s the part they don’t teach.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 months ago

    But the way they teach it in school

    Nah, I was taught the latter way in school. They pretty explicitly told us about the 3/5 compromise, the lack of voting rights for women, etc. Really, its pretty hard to avoid the idea that all people were not seen as equal in the eyes of the constitution when ratified, when you know that we have a whole unit on the civil war coming up.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    it was an aspiration, a goal of our forefathers.

    I just do not believe this. These are people who regularly raped their slaves, and then enslaved the progeny.

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  • [–] 26 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    Kind of related, but in fifth grade, on the first day of school, my teacher told us that our most important homework every day was to play and have fun, which gave me a lot of hope for the year.

    But then it turns out that he assigned a lot of homework, and I felt like I never got to do the homework #1 of play and have fun. It seemed like he had lied to us about which homework was the most important because it didn't affect our grade whether or not we played after school, but if we didn't do homework, not only did it affect our grade, it also meant we got taken out of recess.

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  • [–] 19 points 3 months ago

    Asshole was trying to teach you “how the real world works” by touting self care as paramount and then assigning seemingly higher value tasks to test your penchant for a good “work-life balance”. I’d feel betrayed too!

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