How can we make that sooner?
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Oh boy, I can't wait for my tax dollars to go to bailing them out instead of food and healthcare
Don't worry, we can't bail them out this time. There's just not enough money, each bailout is exponentially bigger than the last one and this time the bubble is bigger than the rest of the global economy
We'll probably destroy the global economy buying them just a few more months anyways though
It's also arguably the only thing propping up the American economy right now. They don't have anything to bail with, if the AI bubbles goes on fire. Their economy may well come tumbling down in short order.
I don't think you even have to argue it. If you move the top 7 from the us economy, the US has been in recession for about a year I think.
pretty sure as soon as the strategic reserve is at minimum levels the gas prices will pop the economy just like in 08, looking at fuel prices, there is some consensus that the derivatives bubble and the economy was accelerated or contributed by the big spike then too, for what its worth here is a snippet from a longer conversation with claude the other day about the timing and effects....
"The timing is on your side. Oil peaked around $147 in July 2008, but Lehman didn't collapse until September 15, and the bulk of the crash to the $30s happened over September–December, right on top of the acute credit panic. So the dominant driver of that specific collapse was the financial crisis — a credit freeze, a global trade contraction, forced deleveraging, and a stampede out of commodity speculation — not primarily consumers and firms conserving because gasoline got expensive. Presenting $147→$30s as a clean "high price destroyed demand" story conflates a financial/credit event with a price-response event, exactly as you say. Fair hit. The honest nuance is that they're entangled rather than fully separable. James Hamilton — probably the leading economist on oil-and-macro — argued in a 2009 Brookings paper that the oil spike itself was a meaningful contributor to the recession, not just a bystander: US miles driven and gasoline demand had already rolled over in late 2007 and early 2008, before Lehman, and the auto-heavy parts of the economy were buckling under fuel costs first. His stronger claim was that the oil shock alone might have produced a recession even without the financial crisis. That's a contested, minority-leaning view — the mainstream reading is still that the financial crisis dominated — but it means high oil wasn't innocent; it was one of the stressors loading an already over-levered system. So the two didn't just coincide, they reinforced each other. And here's the deeper point your question exposes, which is worth more than the correction itself: it's genuinely hard to find a clean example of price-alone demand destruction, because oil spikes and recessions almost always travel together. Spikes help cause recessions, and recessions crush oil demand, so they arrive as a package — you rarely get to observe the price-conservation channel in isolation. That entanglement is real, and I was papering over it. The cleaner illustration of the structural piece — the permanent kind of demand destruction — is the aftermath of the 1970s shocks. Global and especially US oil demand fell durably through the early 1980s and didn't recover for years: fuel economy standards, switching oil out of power generation and home heating, industrial efficiency. That's the sliver that sticks even after the economy recovers, and it's isolatable precisely because it persisted past the recovery — though even there the Volcker recession is a confounder, so it's not perfectly pure either. So let me refine the claim rather than abandon it. 2008 is a fine illustration that a demand collapse crashes the oil price, but a poor illustration that the high price alone caused the collapse. My underlying point — that $150–200 oil is self-limiting — still holds, but the mechanism is better stated as: high oil prices help trigger or deepen a recession, and/or a coincident recession does the demand-crushing, and it's that demand collapse (from whatever mix of causes) that breaks the price. Pure price-induced conservation is the slower, structural component I described last turn, not the fast circuit-breaker. The circuit-breaker is the recession — which, as you're implying, may have its own separate ignition source and just happens to also torch oil demand on the way down."
Conversations with LLMs are absolutely worthless as a source of knowledge.
they are great for doing a lot of web research into complex subjects, create an inventory of the most provelant discussions and historical precedents and form all that into an easy to read report. Since the llm is not the source of knowledge but the search engine, your comment is absolutely worthless as a coherent reply to my post
No, LLMs are not a search engine, that's not how they work.
They process and regurgitate text, and even in such "simple" uses there is risk of hallucination.
Your conversation with a LLM is absolutely worthless as a coherent reply to anything.
LLM's are search engines by their nature, but on top of that they have search engines they reference, they have powerful grepping and search tools to iterate through those results come up with the prevailing theories and outliers and present that as an organized report to you, unless you can find something that is factually incorrect about my statement you are arguing against what you are seeing with your eyes which i dont quite get
LLM's are search engines by their nature, but on top of that they have search engines they reference, they have powerful grepping and search tools to iterate through those results come up with the prevailing theories and outliers and present that as an organized report to you[...]
This is completely wrong, you need to read about how LLMs actually work.
While they can give the appearance of searching, they are not at all search engines.
What an LLM does when it processes a text is adjust some internal weights, nothing more.
Whenever you ask it to search or summarize it generates text according to your query and its weights, not to the original text, and there is absolutely no guarantee that it will correctly do what you asked.
They are a really interesting technology, but currently have zero usefulness as a search engine or summarizer, because the often omit actual results and/or hallucinate incorrect results.
Seriously, read about it, if you are trusting LLM output as factual, you are absolutely being misled.
Also, and the point that everyone here is missing, bailouts have an end point.
Giving them tax payer's money still won't make them profitable after the VC money goes away.
Better start preparing to grind the economy to a halt when they try it. This time any occupy Wall Street movements should be heavily armed and wearing plate carriers
Maybe Americans are finally going to use their second amendment for the intended purpose?
How can we make them run out in mid-2026?
I was under the impression that they had an extremely large amount of negative money.
If Skyrim has taught me anything it's probably integer overflow
Since their current cash wouldn't fit in a 32-bit integer that'd mean it's at least 64-bit. An integer underflow would require a debt of over 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 units-of-currency before it rolled over to positives.
Man, this bubble is even bigger than I thought! /s
Let the internet do what it does best, create all kinds of weird and unnecessary porn. That should do it.
Yes but you have forgotten about the technique used by the most skilled and intelligent company leaders to consistently outperform all predictions for years now: Corruption
I will happy when this bubble bursts. OpenAI, Grok and several other companies offer nothing substantive and if they're burning cash and disrupting economies then just die already.
Unfortunately they would broadly be systems that need about 15kw, and as part of a board that won't work as discrete parts.
So you get it, but you'll need a couple of 60 amp circuits to dedicate to it... Also you have no viable video out
Might be like the AMD BC-250 discarded from crypto. Hopefully! https://bc250.info/
I was hoping the same, but have since been told by several people that know more about it than I do that they are useless for gaming.
Aren't they using low accuracy FP units that aren't suited for gaming anyway?
Getting those GPUs would be like getting a beat up horse. It's still a horse, just not much of a use anymore
I still has some use, it’s just that it’s not as good but still useful for people who want to save money on gaming pc builds
Those GPUs will be about as useful as a bitcoin miner for gaming. As in exactly not useful.
They may be really useful for running your own local LLM, as long as you don't mind the hefty power bill and jet engine noise.
OpenAI isn't running ChatGPT on RTX 5090's, they use data centre hardware like the nVidia NVL72, which are entirely useless for anyone else. You wouldn't even be able to boot it as it uses more power while idling than a residential home has access to, and up to 150kW at full load.
up to 150kW at full load.
That's the last generation. They're moving from Blackwell to Rubin chips now, and the 72-GPU Rubin servers use up to 230 kW.
The typical residential connection in the U.S. has a 24 to 48 kW electrical connection. A block of houses might not have enough power infrastructure to power just one of these server racks.
How can I help speed this up?
Tokenmaxxing. They loose more money, especially on the subsidized plans.
Nice try OpenAI
Can you tight money?
Use very non-cachable tokens without paying them a penny.
Use something like repomix to do maximum damage.
It will be a race which AI company holds out longest. All of them are making losses that no company can survive, and if they rise their prices enough to cover the costs, they will basically lose all their customers. Who will then struggle to hire the people back who still know how to do things without AI.
Then Google wins? Since they have the ad business sonar least they are making some money.
I think they could significantly lower their costs if they turn their focus away from the race to "AGI." But, their valuations don't really make sense unless investors believe they will achieve AGI.
I was there when the "Neural Networks" idea started. They thought they could program NNs to achieve AGI. Now they think they can do it with LLMs. But LLMs are just parrots with a large dictionary. They won't reach that point, either. An LLM is way too much rooted in words to be able to think.
Recent models are quite good. Like gpt 5.6 sol. Even better than mythos 5.
How is this a response to a comment about AGI?
LLMs are not currently, nor ever will be, anything remotely resembling AGI. AGI is still entirely within the realm of science fiction, like teleportation or time travel.
Hey, we have AGI! We’ve had it for years! It’s called making babies 😎😎😎😎😎
That's true. I'm just saying the models do get better and are quite impressive now.
But whatever the term means. I know where AGI stands for, but the term "agi" is still very vague. You can't compare a machine llm model with the human brain.
Yet still hallucinates mass bullshit and can't count, can't architect, and can't write a decent test
The "best" one I've tried is the latest Opus. I don't trust any of them to use for real work, so I mostly just play around with a local Qwen 3.6 27B or Deepseek v4 Flash. I have heard OpenAI's latest models produce less bloat than Anthropic's.
I should say I do find LLMs useful as a kind of search agent (both web and large unfamiliar code bases). And GhidraMCP is pretty cool (maybe just because I don't have much experience with reverse engineering).
Some big company would invest in openai to keep the bubble alive.
That's how they've been operating for years. They'll go public soon enough though, so your 401k will take the hit instead of the parasites on top.
That's what the SpaceX IPO was about. They were listed on the NASDAQ way earlier than companies are normally allowed to be so the assholes up top could raid your retirement fund despite there being no path to profitability.
I can’t fathom how people actually contribute to a 401k when it’s run by Wall Street ghouls that stole everyone’s money 20 years ago and never suffered any consequences for it…
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