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[–] 57 points 4 months ago (10 children)

Even if a system that actually performed well in a 100% autonomous mode was available, how is having manual override for safety actions like braking a bad thing? Why would you ever remove that? Removing it provides zero benefit whatsoever.

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  • [–] 22 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I'm a sane world, removing the brake pedal (etc) would only occur after extended disuse. When the technology is mature enough and so reliable that it's a wasted feature that never gets used, and hasn't been used in a long time.

    Not when the technology is brand new and this is something still needed on a regular basis.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Likely to still be used in a maintenance or emergency situation where the electronics are dead. If the vehicle has to be moved and a winch isn't available a brake is pretty much a necessity. Anyone who's had to push a car out of a lane of travel knows this.

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  • [–] 20 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    To be fair, it says brake pedal - there are other possible means of activating a brake such as an old school emergency brake lever.

    The "benefit" is, of course, money saved for their own pockets.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago

    The brake lever is a parking brake. It's usually (in older cars that don't have an electronic park brake) a cable actuation of the brake meant to keep your car from rolling away if the parking pawl fails. It's not the same as the hydraulic braking you'd do with a pedal (and what you'd want in the event of an emergency braking situation). Getting rid of it is beyond foolish.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    If nobody is in the driver's seat, then it doesn't matter if the brake pedal exists. If someone does happen to be sitting there, but isn't paying attention to driving, they might accidentally hit it. And it would be in the way most (hopefully all) of the time.

    Sounds like this doesn't include it, but I think it would be better to have some centrally accessible thing to manually activate the brakes. Then you could do it regardless of where you sat.

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  • [–] 48 points 4 months ago

    ‘These lifeboats are taking up too much deck space on the Titanic.”

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  • [–] 40 points 4 months ago

    OK, but it should be mandatory that all feds can only use these cars.

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  • [–] 28 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. How corrupt is the system? Do the Oceansgate engineers now work for the Fed?

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    Sounds like a way for a "glitch" to occur

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Since most braking systems are still mechanical, I am guessing they want to get rid of the mechanical part to more easily eliminate targets once they hack all the vehicles a la Upload

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    Most EVs and Hybrids don't have a direct hydraulic connection between the brake pedal and the wheel cylinders when everything is healthy.

    There is an accumulator that gets pressurized when you press the brake pedal and then it blends between dynamic and hydraulic brakes as needed.

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    [–] 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I guess it stops the feds having to do the dirty work of cutting people's brake cables.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    If you assume Level 5 autonomy exists, you don't really need ANY control surface inside the car. Those just become useless artifacts. Steering wheels, gear shifters, gas/brake pedals, turn-signals, or rear-view mirrors.

    Really, even map apps. Those just convert to glorified ToDo apps, where you say where you need to be at what time and the AV figures out how to get you there. Showing your position on a map is just more of a curiosity, like the airplane in-flight scenes, giving you a rough sense of place and calmly reassuring you that you are on your way (instead of, say, plunging into the sea).

    You don't really need car windows either. Could be replaced with screens that show idealized imagescapes to enhance the transportation experience, or a movie.

    Not requiring brake pedals is just the first logical step, if you want to let a machine drive you.

    For those who actually enjoy the driving experience, AVs are stupid wastes of effort and tech.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    I assume we will still be able to subscribe to a brake pedal service for a reasonable monthly fee?

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