New Vegas Fans: “We want Obsidian to make Fallout again”
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New Vegas Fans: “We want Obsidian to make Fallout again”
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It's gotta really suck to be some employee at a cool studio... And then microfuckingsoft buys it. I'd be wicked pissed at whoever made that decision.
I don't know why you'd want to work at Bethesda these days, but Id Soft does not deserve to be in that spot.
Stoked Obsidian gets to do a proper title though. I hope they can use a different engine this time.
Honestly I am surprised they didn't do this years ago. It makes sense to let the studio that made the best Fallout game continue making Fallout games while the other studio works on the long-neglected Elder Scrolls 6. Otherwise we'd just be looking at decade-long droughts between Elder Scrolls and Fallout games at the pace BGS develops.
Especially since Bethesda's Fallouts suck because of the thing that makes TES great - what they do is power fantasy. That's great for Nirn, since you almost always turn out to be some sort of demigod anyway. But a post-apocalyptic RPG? You're meant to be scraping by in dirt. Sure, let the player become a wasteland badass, but not godlike. That sucks.
its the fault of the player becoming godlike. do you remember the first time you played? even at the end game, i was struggling against enemies and banking on my companions to bail me out. but now that i know what to do, and know how to maximize perk selection, gear, and where to loot and sell stuff, no wonder i become godlike
I feel obligated to point out that this won't be the same Obsidian who made New Vegas. Same company, but (mostly) not the same devs or the same leadership.
Though I'm a little hopeful that Josh Sawyer manages to make something neat.
I mean Josh Sawyer is leading it and Tim Cain and Leonard Boyarsky are both at Obsidian and I imagine they'll be pulled in, as well as a bunch of other folks - so no idea what you're talking about?
Most notably, John Gonzales, the actual writer on New Vegas, is also there.
outer worlds was not that good (imo) avowed was decent. would be insane to just assume theyd catch lightning in a bottle again
I liked the story of outerworlds but the mechanics and gameplay were never that interesting and it lost me, had to force myself to finish the game and I'm glad I did but oof.
I mean you have two of the most important contributors to Fallout 1 & 2, and the project director from New Vegas - if they can't do it, it can't be done.
For what it's worth I really liked Outer Worlds 1&2 and PoE I & II, as well as Avowed - so whatever they make, I'm probably going to enjoy it.
I only watched playthroughs of Outer Worlds and Avowed, and I agree that they were mediocre. But Obsidian's isometric CRPGs Pillars of Eternity I and II and Tyranny were great. If they can assign the isometric writing teams to the first-person games it might work.
I'm hoping they just need the right setting, and going back to FO could do that for them.
Microsoft's leadership, specifically.
Yeah, but Feargus is still in charge of the studio and I don't think even Microsoft is dumb enough to fuck with the actual development of the game from a proven studio. And now with so many layoffs and the need for this to succeed, Microsoft doesn't have any other options. I'm sure they'll find minor ways to fuck it up, but with things as they are, I truly believe this was the best possible solution to getting another good Fallout game.
They supposedly just canceled Avowed 2, which would have been about a year in development, to get the ball rolling on this.
Microsoft has a history of corporate meddling (if 343's devs experiences are accurate) but you are right, they can't really afford to mess this one up, so I'd hope they let the talent do their thing and make a great game.
I think the saving grace may be this:
Previously, Sawyer had been directing a roleplaying game that was similar structurally and thematically to Fallout but was not part of the franchise.
I almost wonder if they knew this might happen and Josh was in pre-production on "totally not Fallout but actually Fallout" as an insurance policy. Also, Tim Cain actually recently came back to Obsidian full-time - which may just be a coincidence, but is very convenient for making the argument for them to be given the project.
And people will talk themselves out of enjoying a game for that, too.
And then shut them down.
Damn, Obsidian makes good RPGs but they're not so great at making the kind of open world sandbox RPG that Fallout has been since the 3D era, so idk if they'll do better than last time where they gave us a great RPG hidden deep under the baggy clothes of an absolutely awful open world. I like FNV for what it is, but they're really not the right studio for modern 3d Fallout. I hope they let Obsidian make the more classic RPG style of Fallout that they clearly wanted to make with FNV, but I highly doubt that would happen.
Smart money is that it's built on the bones of The Outer Worlds 2, which was great. Failing that, a far dumber but still possible decision would be to build it on the bones of Fallout 76 or Starfield.
Build it on the bones of The Elder Scrolls Adventures: Redguard!
Battlespire, or bust
Honestly, the new Odsidian game is not going to be on the same level of New Vegas. Due most of the people who made NV left Odsidian (mainly the writers) years ago.
I don't get this mentality of deciding something isn't as good before it's even been created yet. I don't even think New Vegas is Obsidian's best RPG. I'd say that's Pillars 2.
I can only expect it'll be as lifeless as Avowed.
Hopefully I'm wrong.
I’ll believe it when I see it. And even if I do, I’ve decided a while ago to be as not supportive of anything Microslop as possible.
Todd is not happy.
stop this bullshit narrative please. todd not liking more video games coming out is absurd
Shit, you're right. He only going to get mad. If it sells better.
I still won't buy it if it's Xbox exclusive.
That would be Xbox and PC and everything except Playstation
I know the new vegas fans will be excited to hear obsidian working on fallout. But to them I ask, have you played an obsidian game recently?
I actually haven't. They did outer worlds and I don't think I've heard from them since. What have they put out that's unsatisfactory since then?
I know nothing about Avowed so I cant say that its good or bad., but its the only game I've seen that has had any criticism from Obsidian.
Obsidian has a fairly solid record, and are at the very tippy top of any list of people I'd want working on a new Fallout game.
Apparently according to the reporting: Josh Sawyer and John Gonzalez are back at Obsidian. The New Vegas brain trust.
WHY WASN'T THIS IN PRODUCTION YEARS AGO
Because they don't own the license and cant work on it until microsoft tells them to?
It looks like Microsoft did cut some people at Obsidian. I see Josh Sawyer 8 days ago retweeting (or whatwver the Bluesky term is) various "got laid off, looking for work" messages from some Obsidian people who got cut. I don't think that they were from the Fallout: New Vegas team, though (at least the two mentioned).
https://bsky.app/profile/jesawyer.bsky.social
Jay Turner:
I and a good number of very talented game devs were laid off by Obsidian as part of the Microsoft sacrificial rituals this morning. If you or anyone you know is looking for a Senior Writer/ND with more than two decades' experience in titles like Dragon Age and Mass Effect, please let me know!
https://www.igdb.com/games/fallout-new-vegas/credits
Not on the New Vegas credits.
An area designer "bre_z".
Looking for work</3
Not sure of full name, but looks like "Bree" as a first name? Nothing like that on the New Vegas credits either.
EDIT:
Fallout co-creator Tim Cain is out of 'semi-retirement' and back at Obsidian
Fallout co-creator wants to make one last game before he retires 'for the second time'
So the original Fallout guy is back too in the last several months...and that's despite the studio laying off 25% of its staff.
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Timothy_Cain
Timothy "Tim" Cain is the original creator of the Fallout series and setting. He was the lead programmer on Fallout and one of the six people responsible for the game's original design.
EDIT2: and they do say, in the article, that at least some Bethesda people will have some level of contribution:
The only Fallout game in the last two decades to not come from Bethesda was 2010’s Fallout: New Vegas, developed by Obsidian and directed by Sawyer. Although New Vegas has become a fan favorite, Bethesda has maintained control over the franchise. The Rockville, Maryland-based studio will work with Obsidian on the new project, the people said.
So that's people from the whole series being brought in on this.
So, is it supposed to be like a spin-off or Fallout 5? Because it sounds more like another spin-off to me.
Now imagine how funny it'd be if Obsidian made the spin-off and another team Fallout 5 and it Obsidian's game caught lightning in a bottle (again).
Anyway, I'm thrilled that there is any non Fallout 76 news at all. Holy shit.
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