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[–] 54 points 4 months ago (39 children)

Okay guys 'n gals. What's your first game you thought of while reading this greentext?

Mine is TimeSplitters 2 on PS2.

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  • [–] 30 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    I thought of an era, not a specific game.

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    It was a time of both plug and play simplicity, and head banging frustration. Consoles were dumb easy, and had to have a catalog that competed with the others. PC games were the wild west. Everything from it just works to eight disc setups, but not a single mainstream way to extract more money after the game had been sold. You could pop your ass on the couch and play the same game for 8 hours and still not do everything in it despite the lack of online capabilities. It was an era of mystery, is this article/friend/kid taking me for one? Or is Yoshi really there at the top of Peaches castle in Mario 64? If you'd never know if you or a friend didnt do it in front of you. Subscription was a thing but they seem modest by today's standards. Zezima, Athena, and LeeroyJenkins were the names of our Gods.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Oh man. Amen! Thank you for this awesome text. I'm just 26 years old, but I think this is the golden times. Not like, those are the best games or stuff, it's just... I kinda feel like those were the good times. Even tho even then there was many shitty games. Probably even most of the games. It's hard to describe this feeling. :/

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    The games are still there. Nintendo may cost an arm and a leg now but it kinda did then too and Zelda still never asks where your season pass is. Some games are the classic games in disguise like Flock Around is just Pokemon Snap without rails. Theres this game called Star Garden thats Kirby Air Ride with a Chao Garden thrown in. Cassette Beasts is Steam Pokemon. I host my own Phantasy Star Online Episode 1 & 2 server. Its all still there and still being made. The golden era never ended, its just the giants aren't peddling it anymore and the river is so wide it can be a chore to wade. But, have you slain Olga Flow in the depths of the world? Or repelled the second coming of Orochi with a stroke of your celestial brush? Or discovered the mystery behind what happened to Darth Revan? Theres thousands of hours of games to get through before the modern era. Vimm's lair has 1/4th of it. Kindle your soul and keep the age of fire burning a little longer.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    Yeah, while my mind did go to GoldenEye, this really applied to NES, SNES, N64, GameCube, and ps2, out of the systems I have/had.

    My wii u games are still playable, though they might try to connect to a server that no longer exists to look for updates. Similar with ps3 (though I think my system needs an overhaul because it's running pretty slow these days, like many dropped frames in rock band 2 or even some in GH3).

    For the ps5, I'm not sure what will happen when Sony no longer wants to support it. I mostly have physical games, maybe I should try disconnecting the internet and see what happens if I try to fire up random games, both ones I've already played and ones that haven't left their case yet.

    Anyways, I mostly thought of the era of the first paragraph, since the others have updates.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    DK64. I see so much hate for it now, with people saying there are way too many collectibles, but those people fail to realize that back then most kids only had a few games that they just had to play over and over again if they wanted to play video games at all. To have a game that always had a new thing to collect even when you went to the same level for the 1000th time was a godsend.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Spyro the Dragon. Man I need to find the time to play through that entire stack of games again...

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    At least with those games you had a collectible figure once the game was finished.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    While not my absolute favourite 2 player game, my friend and I sunk hours and hours into Champions of Norrath 1 and 2. We must have played new game+ like, 5 or 6 times. Loved it!

    (Most love probably goes to Street Fighter 2 on the Megadrive)

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Mortal Kombat: Deception. Honestly, fighting games are one of my least favorite genres nowadays. But as a very young kid (way too young to be playing MK lol), it was a lot of fun.

    I always got my ass kicked by my older siblings, so I preferred taking turns in the story mode over playing against other people. Probably one of the reasons I strongly prefer co-op and PvE games even today, now that I think about it.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    Fuzion Frenzy even though it doesn't really apply because it wasn't really single player at all, it was only local co-op mini games like a Mario Party kinda (with no board.)

    Even though it doesn't really match what the greentext is describing, the vibe of just, like, enjoying video games in your living room with no DLC nor microtransactions made me think of it. It's a game that was, like, moderately successful but not enough that I ever run into people on the internet that know about it, so it almost feels like a kind of secret I share with my sister, and the game had strong art direction that was really early 2000s that hits me with nostalgia too.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Okay that looks REALLY interesting. Thank you for sharing! Gotta share one thing: Bishi Bashi! PSX game that's also a minigames collection. Pretty fun, quite high quality as far as I can tell. Haven't found someone to play it atm. :c Still, looks fun af!

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  • [–] 41 points 4 months ago (11 children)

    Honestly, that's the entire reason i lost interest in consoles after buying the PS4. If i need to:
    1 Boot up the console.
    2 Update the system (twice).
    3 PSN account bullshit.
    4 Insert disc.
    5 Install the game.
    6 Download 50GB update for the game.
    7 Install said update.
    8 Finally start the game.
    9 Login and TOS bullshit.
    10 Finally play game.

    I might just as well use my PC for gaming at that point. The games library is larger and the exclusives are just not worth it. Especially after Sony started releasing those on PC as well.

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Especially after Sony started releasing those on PC as well.

    They put a stop to that, and now it's more clear why: they want absolute control over the price of their games.

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    i've never had to spend hours finding the 'right driver' for my PS4 to run a game. or having to mod the game to get it to just play.

    which is why i gave up on PC gaming, I'm old and I just want to play games, I don't wnat to spend 2-3 hours 'troubleshooting' every game on my PC and having to swap drivers because some games only run on some drivers.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    i’ve never had to spend hours finding the ‘right driver’ for my PS4 to run a game. or having to mod the game to get it to just play.

    Funny, I've never had to.do.those things on my PC.

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    Two of us.

    And we're on Linux even. It has its own share of issues. Generally, if a problem is game-specific, the fixes are stuff like "switch Proton versions" (there's a little dropdown in Steam or whatever launcher you use) or "toss some environment variable in the launch options". But those are really a thing of the past now, stuff just works.

    And it never took installing drivers for a specific game (...huh?). Installing drivers is a thing you do once, if that, during initial setup, just like you'd do account creation for a console.

    -- Frost

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  • [–] 36 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    -Actually belongs to you -Developers can't delete it

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  • [–] 27 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Full game on a disk? You new school kids don't know that 1/2 of the game is loading the 17, 5 1/2" floppies in order just to install your game.

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago

    Back in 1997 I bought the game KKnD (Krush, Kill n' Destroy) in a local store for what would now be 110 dollars only to discover that it was broken and wouldn't run on my machine and there was no way to get a patch for it.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    when can i stop living in this universe and switch back to the one we originally were on? man i miss it so much. That and original pizzahut

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (3 children)

    you never did and you never will.

    games cost about 4x what they do today back then. you were paying 40-80 dollars per game, and they never got discounted really unless they became a huge hit and got a best seller release and maybe they went down to 20-30, in 2026 dollars, that's between 40-160 dollars per game. which is the reason why most folks only bought like 2-4 games a year if they were lucky. now you are buying dozens of games per year for like $100-200.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    In Germany you could buy most games for 12.95DM in the 90s/10€ in the 2000s, if you were willing to wait a year after the initial release. And unless you had enough money to buy the newest PC, you often had to resort to last year's games anyway. As a comparison, I got 20DM for mowing my neighbours lawn.

    These re-releases came with just a jewel case and no box, the manual was a PDF on the disk but on the other hand they often had some bugs fixed since the first release.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    i agree with you in a way, its true that in the 2000’s i could only buy about a game a year also because you weren’t switching consoles as frequently as we do. I could wish for a game from Xbox and i would never play it because the console i had at home was playstation. Nowadays that is leveled, but this goes hand in hand with the things related to the amount of games we have vs what games we finish. And back then i fisnished all small amounts of games and we recall every nook and cranny of the games, nowadays its really cool to look at a 200 game library but we are not taking the best of them because of the diversity, we have so much we quite cant click as easily (at least this is how i feel but i have found people with different opinions)

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    [–] 11 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    That'll be $75 (for N64 cartridges).

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

    The sweet spot was getting the full game on disc and getting included DLC, having the ability to mod the game, and run private servers. It was kinda the golden era of this stage in gaming. Computers were powerful enough to give a great visual experience and studios were still interested in producing engaging storylines in triple A releases instead of just banging out battle royale games.

    You could just enjoy the game as-is with a really good singleplayer campaign and then with whatever online offered. To this day I still have great memories of Half Life, Crysis, or even MoH:AA, especially the Snowy Park map. Do they compare graphically with today’s games like Fortnite? Not a chance. But you remember the story and how the game was way better at pulling you into it.

    Some of the mods from this era turned out to be just as popular, if not moreso, than the original base game. Some of them live on to this day.

    Sure, some Steam games offer mods and the like, but it certainly isn’t the same thing as what we had 15 or so years ago.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    If you haven't grabbed it, Black Mesa is like $3 right now during the summer sale

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Why would anyone build a whole ass in split screen mode?

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  • [–] 24 points 4 months ago (18 children)

    This is def nostalgia goggles, so many games were broken buggy messes back then because there was no way to ship updates

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  • [–] 52 points 4 months ago (11 children)

    No, they weren't. Most had bugs, but they weren't game-breaking. A lot of people took joy in finding and exploiting the bugs too. Dupes, etc.

    Yeah, some shitty games were loaded with bugs.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    bugs? nah, not a problem

    whistles in Morrowind

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Thats not really fair. Morrowind was so buggy someone decided they needed to remake the entire game engine to play it. I wouldn't say most games where like that.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Bloodline the masquerade was also infested. We remember these because the games were so good they were worth fighting to get running. The ones that were buggy and bad are mostly forgotten.

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  • [+] -10 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Try playing the original SEGA catalog. Lemme know how many of those games work.

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago

    Most of them? Care to provide some examples without the ridiculous "don't work" hyperbole? Clearly most Sega games were functional, otherwise no one would've been playing them.

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    That wasn't actually good for the cartridge, long term. My parents provided us with q-tips, but we were a Nintendo family. I had a few friends that had the SEGA Master System, and though I don't remember the titles, I do remember several cartridges that we never played, because there were problems with the game a level or two in.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    oh so the whole "sega games are broken" thing was just your experience with your friend's pirated or literally broken cartridges?

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  • [–] 19 points 4 months ago

    When a game sucked ass then you had a physical product you could sell or trade to offload it. Instead of the whole game getting the servers shut off and delisted within a year if it’s bad today. Even the bad games were better back then because of this

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  • [–] 19 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    "Anything that is in the world when you’re born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works. Anything that's invented between when you’re fifteen and thirty-five is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it. Anything invented after you're thirty-five is against the natural order of things.” ― Douglas Adams, "The Salmon of Doubt"

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    As someone who recently started hoarding old tools I wish that was true for all things.

    We just recently got a singer 500a and its still impressive the engineering that went into that thing. The machine work is beautiful, and if you told me it was made in a CNC machine today I would of believed you.

    Today modern and new, just means slave labor and plastic molded parts. Besides computers a lot of things haven't really changed. And often when they have changed it's for the worst. If I get a sewing machine today it would come with some app and internet connection for no reason, and would have plastic parts that struggle to get through 3 layers of cloth. While the singer 500a was meant to run 24/7 and is essentially the same exact thing.

    For the most part the world has kind of been solved sense shortly after the industrial revolution. All the general commodities we interact with where mostly at their peak form back then. Dish washers, fridges, washing machines, driers. They're all almost exactly the same as they where when they where invented. There have been minor improvements that have been added over the years but for the most part things are in general just shittier.

    You can blame so many things, you can say that mass production, trickle down economics, exporting labor etc all causes this. You can say that everyones access to mass produced garbage is an indicator of wealth and poverty dropping. What I don't think you can say anymore is that things "products" are better than they where in the old days.

    I agree with your statement about cultural aspects though. Other than that when I hear some new innovative product the first thing that comes to my mind is its going to be another internet of things device that constantly bugs me and asks for more data, while providing 0 utility over the old version of the product, if anything its going to add more friction to my task, or attempt to insert a paywall into my life where one never existed before.

    With games its harder to objectively say things where worse/better, but this infection of syphoning money out of every possible source infects games too. The only reason I can't say new modern games are bad is because indie games exist. Some of those indie games actually have brought me back to a childhood state where games where actually fun.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    We're 26. The new stuff is crap, and that's not just nostalgia goggles, it is actually objectively worse.

    There's plenty of new stuff that isn't crap, like say indie games. But the platforms, the consoles, etc.? Those are intentionally disrespectful these days in a way even, say, the Wii/PS3 era of consoles wasn't (and they certainly weren't perfect either, it just started getting way worse way faster after that).

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