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[–] 58 points 4 months ago (4 children)

I expressed my displeasure of these tickets at a bar I work at to one of my coworkers. They then pointed out that in Toast POS you can just punch in the total bill and it generates the tip for you

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  • [–] 21 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Oh that's good to know, I used to do math and then realized I'm probably being an asshole and stopped.

    MATH RETURNS BABY!

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  • [–] 32 points 4 months ago (11 children)

    I'm good at math except after more than one drink. Ngl, I really like it when the bill has a list of percentages and totals to preview. I'd like it even more if we just charged what food and labor cost and got rid of this nonsense though.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Move the decimal one place left and double it for 20%. Do it for the sub total if you prefer not to tip on tax.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Been doing this for years. I evangelize it all the time, and people still don't understand, or they try to make it more complicated than it is. But it's literally THIS easy, so easy. It's not even math at this point, especially if you only double the dollar amount and ignore the change, a kindergartener could do it.

    Yet people refuse to learn a "new weird way".

    You don't have to understand it, just do it. This is literally the easiest way. I will die on this hill.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago*

    they can't do basic arthimetic. yeah it seems super easy to you, but most folks don't know how to multiple by 2 without a calculator. and they refuse to learn.

    i've met people who work in mathetmatics, like stats, and still can't do basic tipping without a phone to do it for them. it's just something they refuse to learn or practice, mostly out of fear they will get it wrong.

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  • [+] -7 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    I have a CS degree and a maþ minor. I will unashamedly use my phone calculator in situations like þis. Or if þere's any rush.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago* (6 children)

    What character are you using for "the"

    How do you find it on phone

    I saw it Iceland

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  • [–] -3 points 4 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    God forbid someone is different

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    With all my power as an random Internet peon, I hereby allow every body to be them self, however they want : enjoy and be flamboyant ! I guess with that we can say bigot are a story of the past...(trying to do a joke, hope it went well) (Keep calling people out <3)

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  • [–] 23 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    FYI, most places will just use the total if there's anything wrong with your math (assuming it's at least what you owe) so this is perfectly valid.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    The addition is the hard part though, calculating the tip amount is easy. Can you write in just the tip amount and let them figure it out at the POS?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    Every system I've used and currently use you enter the tip amount, so writing how much you want to tip is actually fine. Though I'll usually ask for you to write in the total or ask if it's fine if I do. Technically the cc company cares about that line in case of disputes.

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  • [–] 19 points 4 months ago (27 children)

    US tip culture is so weird. I’m talking about the comments as much as the pic

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  • [+] -19 points 4 months ago* (26 children)

    what about it is weird?

    our servers are generally paid 2-3 dollars an hour, and they make all their income base on tips. people who work in service industry generally prefer it, as it allows them to dodge taxes by underreporting their tip income. it does create a bit of a feast of famine in the service industry, as if you can get a lucrative dinner shift at a higher end restaurant, you can make a good living, which is otherwise in accessible to people without degrees or specialized skills.

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  • [–] 31 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    our servers are generally paid 2-3 dollars an hour

    That's the part that is weird. And I live in the U.S.

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  • [+] -13 points 4 months ago* (5 children)

    the average wage with tips is like 20/hour, which is significantly more than minimum wage, and in some places more than double.

    hence why people who work in these jobs are against the removing of tipping, because they'd make less money.

    what's hilarious is people on lemmy who probably have never worked as a server or bartender going on about tipping and restaurants like they know better than the people who work in them. because in their ignorant opinion they 'know better' than these folks.

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago* (4 children)

    Alternately: they could be paid a living wage with menu prices to support these higher wages. This allows for a more consistent (read: reliable) income. While I have not personally worked as a server, I know enough people who have. They have "good nights" and "bad nights."

    Another affect of this is that it removes ambiguity regarding which places depend on tips and which don't. This line has been muddied by places haphazardly adding tip prompts to their checkouts.

    There's a theme here, and that theme is consistency.

    what’s hilarious is people on lemmy who probably have never worked as a server or bartender going on about tipping and restaurants like they know better than the people who work in them

    Consider that the comments on this are from the customer side. The increase in places asking for tips and inflation of "suggested" tip percentages hasn't been helping.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    I think there might be a theoretical tipping culture that threads the needle of waiters getting a living wage while giving some leeway. Basically: 20% on the total is absurd and a dark pattern for advertising goods below cost; 0% is a hard barrier that can price certain populations out or fails on edge cases.

    For example if I walk in with a table full of toddlers I should be socially obliged to tip you for going above and beyond the normal service. If I have a table of well behaved adults I shouldn't be forced to pay the same gratuity for group size. If I do, I'm subsidizing clumsy patrons breaking dishes and making messes.

    In a similar vein, ordering something simple and eating quickly shouldn't incur the same payment as chatting for 2 hours while no tables are available. If I'm paying a set price for the implicit use of a table then you damn well better set a timer on the table so I know. All of these variables are impossible to price in and vary wildly with your clientele, which makes tipping an attractive option.

    Maybe something like a restaurant enforced hard cap of 5%-10%. Nobody complains about a reasonable company culture of overtime+bonuses, service workers should have the same right to that compensation. Unfortunately, that realistically wouldn't work. Exploitation is baked into our economy, so 0% is our best option.

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  • [–] -3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    i consider that the comments are mostly from people outside the USA being whiny something exists here they don't like or understand.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    what’s hilarious is people on lemmy who probably have never worked as a server or bartender going on about tipping and restaurants

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    i consider that the comments are mostly from people outside the USA

    Why would people outside the U.S. who don't work in restaurants want to embrace tipping culture?

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  • [–] 19 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    Everything you just said is weird

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  • [+] -16 points 4 months ago* (9 children)

    cool. to me it's about as normal as drinking water from the tap.

    is that weird in your country? i understand many places tap water is not potable.

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    I'm my country drinking tap water is as normal as paying people a living wage. We don't usually tip, because people are payed enough already.

    I'd say the only thing we seem to have in common is that people love tax evasion.

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  • [+] -17 points 4 months ago* (7 children)

    service workers do earn a living wage. they get it from tips. tips are the wage. it's just paid directly by the customer rather than the business owner. the business owner never gets any of the tips, unless they are stealing.

    maybe it would make more sense to you if you consider them as contract workers who are working for you individually when you go into a restaurant? and those who do better jobs often get better wages, and/or those who are more attractive.

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Wage is predetermined by contract. Getting tips is random money with no guarantees.

    No idea why people defend this system. Depending on goodwill of random people is not the way to go.

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  • [+] -13 points 4 months ago* (4 children)

    OK, you can come to america and start a restaurant without tips and see how it goes. You can prove everyone here wrong!

    or... places here have tried that before and almost all of them have failed because it's not sustainable to pay people $25+ an hour and customers won't pay the prices on that food when they can go down the street and pay half as much.

    good news is you don't live here, so it's none of your concern really.

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  • [+] 11 points 4 months ago (1 child)
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    where is that precisely? SF? LA? what is the income in that zip code?

    I have no doubt it's possible in a very high income area where people dont' care about paying $50 for hamburgers, but you're a fool if you think that's generalization to a zip code where the median income is 40-50K.

    Also, how long have they been around? months? years?

    a few places in my city went that route and closed after 2-3 years. they were experiments.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    I will be honest. I find that weird.

    Do you underpay the shop clerks too, with the assumption that they will simply take part of the money handed to them by shopping clients?

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  • [+] -8 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    No. shop clerks aren't providing a personal service. they just stand there and ring you up.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    That's a service. Otherwise shops wouldn't add self-checkout.

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  • [–] -4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    No, it's not. I was a cashier for years. I was not doing any service for anyone. I was taking money from the customer and literally nothing else. The service I provided was for the store, not for the customer.

    a server at a restaurant takes your order, chats you up, and brings your food from the kitchen/bar to your table. You are on your feet, moving around, putting on a show for people. that's a lot more work than what I did. I never wanted to be a server because it I would hate to have to work so much, even if I made more money.

    Hell, in Europe cashiers sit down on the job the entire shift.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    a server at a restaurant takes your order, chats you up, and brings your food from the kitchen/bar to your table

    gods, restaurants in the USA must be exclusive multiple-start endeavors. I thought movies were lying.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    people who work in service industry generally prefer it, as it allows them to dodge taxes by underreporting their tip income.

    Honestly, as someone who worked in the service industry ... Nah not really. Also the only way you can "dodge taxes" is to not report your cash tips, everything else that's not cash automatically gets thrown into your income because it's all computerized now.

    Most people would prefer a living wage and healthcare benefits (plus 401k, and dental and other "normal" benefits that most corpo folks get).

    Like you can easily get absolutely fucked over money wise depending on what sections your waiting, if you have a big party that tries to split the bills up and avoid auto gratuity that way (common where I worked which sucked) and get screwed by the low tips on the split checks ... You might just have some folks that come in and just don't tip for whatever reason, weather is horrible so nobody comes in, etc etc.

    It's not a great way to live. Not to mention many restaurants have a culture that's just generally exploitative so even putting all the above aside it's not the best work environment for a lot of folks.

    Not saying that all the above is true for all establishments but that's my take and experience.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    cool. my state propose a initiative to remove tips entirely two years ago, it was viciously voted down 2 to 1, and ever bartender or service person i know was violently against it because they knew their income would go down if it passed.

    fwiw I voted for it.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    Well I guess you and I know different people in the industry.

    Also a lot of them aren't exactly ... The brightest bulbs, people vote against their own self interests all the time. That's how we got Trump in the White House ... Ugh.

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Lol, that's fucking hilarious.

    I asked a friend who was a server what they did if the math was incorrect. He said that they used the total amount.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (13 children)

    I'll never understand, how it can be, that I don't get a final receipt

    Like, usually, I'm saying, I'm tipping (insert whatever), then in the US I'll hand over my card and need to trust them to put in the amount I intended to

    I have no way of directly verifying

    And everyone was angry at my just for asking and the poor barkeeper cried....as she didn't understand, that it wasn't about her...

    Felt like an ass, just questioning the system

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    I have (intentionally) left a large tip when I'm hanging out somewhere for a long time with a low ticket value. The credit card company flags it and asks me via text to confirm that the tip is correct.

    I don't know if it's strictly based on % or on deviations from your usual pattern.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (8 children)

    you keep the receipt, that way if you are charged wrongly you just sent the receipt to your CC and chargeback the restaurant.

    it has happened to me a few times, maybe once every 2-3 years, the server will decide I didn't tip enough and my 10 dollar tip becomes 100 dollars. often they can get away with this because a lot of folks never check their receipts.

    you are supposed to tip based on service level. it's entirely subjective.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (5 children)

    That's the thing, it's just so much more effort

    Doing some bar hopping at night and paying with card, it becomes completely impossible to really keep track, if the waiter just upped the tip

    Or maybe I just was to drunk and have written poorly

    It's just a shit system, without a way to directly verify on the spot

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago* (4 children)

    i don't regard it as difficult. i've been doing it systematically for 30+ years now, ever since I was a teenager.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    It's just more work than it should be and it can be much easier

    I just don't understand, why USA-ians always defend this system

    It's much more effort and error prone

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  • [–] -3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    i don't know, why do you drink water when electrolyte drinks are superior for hydration?

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

    Because it's cheaper and usually not necessary to have additional electrolytes

    Edit: and I'm stopping here
    This is getting beyond stupid
    You guys defend an inferior system, because you don't want to change, because it was always that way
    At least, that I get from your answers

    I can't argue with that...

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    You could look at your banking app after it's processed.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago*

    In Europe, I usually get a receipt and can write the tip on top of that, than I'll pay everything and get the real receipt, including the tip

    Why should I even need to check into a stupid app, I don't even want to have?

    It's just so much easier to see the real paid amount at the end

    Edit: and just saying, I've been doing that all my life, doesn't make it better
    "That's how we've always done it" is the thing that stands against progress

    If a system is better, than it's better - and we can compare

    So, what I'm up to:
    Maybe I'm missing something here, which makes this blind trust better in some way, but nobody told me how

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    I've done this my whole life. "Math" drawn cutesy if I have time. I can art, not math.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    Well, the Roman numeral M is 1000, so this is a pretty good tip. Not sure about the rest, but hey I'll take.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (12 children)

    $7.83

    My method:

    • 42.17 + 8.00 = 50.17
    • 8 - 1 = 7
    • 0.17 - 0.02 = 0.15
    • 0.85 + 0.15 = 1.00
    • 0.85 - 0.02 = 0.83
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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    What's the problem with this method? I figure out tips through mental math, without any paper. This is just explaining how I do that mental math

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago*

    Mine:

    • ends in not 00, so add whatever makes the ones digit a 9 (7 in this case).
    • make the cents even -> .20 (add .03)
    • go to 100 (add .80)

    I think, anyway. I can mostly just look at it and know.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)
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    [–] 8 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    Idk why people don't just give whole number tips. It's so much easier to just add $5 to something

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Because it's easier to have a flat 50 out then 47.15.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Didn't realize my grandfather was alive and we're still balancing checkbooks by hand

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    Make each digit of the tip a number that adds up to 9 with the subtotal except for the last digit. First is 7, last digit needs to add up to a value of 10

    42.17

    07.83

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    ω?

    I know that constant. It has something to do with imaginary numbers if I remember correctly. Right?

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