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[–] 132 points 4 months ago (68 children)
  • [–] 145 points 4 months ago (66 children)

    "You'll agree more with republicans as you age" was always something I heard from right wing nut jobs when I became voting age. In fact, the opposite has happened.

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  • [–] 23 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    I’ve heard it as “if you’re still a communist when you’re 40, then you’re poor.”

    You can also substitute communist with socialist or liberal.

    Also I’ve heard another version where 20 is democrat, 30 is Republican, and 40 is libertarian.

    It’s all “my team” kind of bullshit.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    At 20, you're a democrat because you have dreams and hopes, but being young and poor, you depend on the system's generosity to get successful.

    At 30, you are a Republican, because you start having a life of comfort, and even if you refuse to admit it, you know well your comfort relies on some other people working hard in miserable conditions, but you really like your comfort, and you rationalize this with "economic growth will lift everyone from poverty" even though you really want some people to do menial tasks for you, and for cheap, and you want everything to be cheap, so people producing goods and delivering services can't be paid too much, and can't have it too easy, or they'll quit and you'll lose your benefits!

    At 40, you're a libertarian because you finally made peace with the idea that there will be poor, there will be rich, it is what it is, but now you want your voice level to match your bank account. Why would you pay more taxes (in absolute) than most and at the same time let these folks decide what to do with the money?? You'll manage the money you want to give to the community, and it will only go to the charities and projects that deserve your generosity. That way things are much fairer.
    You didn't totally forget about the you at 20, but you look at your kid, and decide we don't need free education or some shit, because low/no taxes mean you can save enough to pay for their education. And for the poor, well: you were poor at 20, so they should just take example on you and work hard to get out of poverty!

    If you recognize yourself in this, know that at all ages, you were probably a PoS, but only with the age did you reveal your true colors!

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I started out libertarian in my twenties, then democrat in my thirties, now socialist in my forties, and I'm not poor.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

    I understand that. I self identified as a communist from 17-22 but portrayed it as Democratic and then around 23 I became politically agnostic/undecided and then I went back to my roots as an anarchist and then surprisingly, I tested out the republican side and it's so easy to become brainwashed and I regret testing that side. I was becoming brainwashed with extra conditioner and I didn't realize it until I realized that what I was saying wasn't in line with how I truly felt.

    Now I'm back to being a libertarian socialist but I can appreciate capitalism but not to the degree a republican does.

    Republicans are the side of law and order and Democrats are the party of understand the countrys needs and I'm not gonna lie if we had a system where they freakin' worked together, this would be an actual superpower of a country.

    I think it's broken that we have a new political system every 4 years with choices and mandates and laws that dissolve two terms after the seated president leaves, making it so that if said president that put those in motion became president again after those 8 years they'd pick up where they left off which seems dictatorial. (currently happening)

    But it is broken that we flip-flop political systems every four to eight years and then expect change for the better and having our voices heard.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Now I'm back to being a libertarian socialist

    A what?!

    Republicans are the side of law and order

    Sure if it's wielded as a club against their enemies. Otherwise "law and order" is either lip service or a reference to a crime drama television show.

    It is unfathomable that someone would say the republicans are a party of law and order in this current administration. Where are the Epstein-Trump files? Where is justice for the 56 people killed by ICE since 2025?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago*

    I am on team why hasn't no one been arrested yet in the US for the Epstein-Trump files. I am also on team fuck ICE. When I said they're the party of law and order it's more the stereotype or the front/portrayal but I know and you know that they're not that and to be honest I regret saying that they are and as much as I want to edit my original comment I won't.

    I mean shit man there's been more arrests over the files in other countries which is hardcore evidence with authorities 100 bajillion percent being able to read them unredacted (because they redacted them). We're all waiting for the next president to do something about it. I'm hoping the next one won't be some geriatric that will destroy the country.

    I think that's one of the biggest issues we've been dealing with and just passively accepting; Is the fact that we keep voting in out of touch 70 something to 80 something year olds but they're not gonna be for the modern issues. At least Biden had handlers and people actually looking out fro modern issues.

    You know what Trump is looking out for, himself. He's selling merch to make sure he has a revenue after he's done being president because for a fucking narcissist like him, he's going to end up in some state of faux depression to which he's going to be into a full self examination from the internal depths of his mind and he will never look or sound the same afterwards. Trust me him being impeached directly impacted him in the way he could see that no one likes him.

    It's wicked funny that Hitler was also only valued by his party for his voice and speech giving skills.

    Fun Fact: Hitler's mustache was actually to impress the person he looked up to the most. I learned a lot about Hitler when I was trying to make a comment about the comparisons between Trump and Hitler one time and ended up spending a week learning about Hitler. Honestly, a fascinating prick that invaded the Nazi party that no one really liked him in, in the first place. He was an absolute outsider and supposedly had to prove himself to be in it and he idolized someone within the Nazi party and tried to flatter that person by imitating his mustache.

    The fact that both Hitler and Trump invaded political matters where they were not wanted in the first place is fascinating in detail

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago*

    Truth is, it was never about age. It was about asset accumulation. The more you had to protect, the more right-wing you got, generally speaking. There are obviously exceptions.

    They fucked everything for younger generations so hard now though that we AREN'T able to accumulate assets to the degree where that shift happens in large numbers anymore. So we are staying left-wing for the most part. Unfortunately they seem to have realized their error and decided to just brainwash the really young gens with AI slop brainrot instead.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    There used to be a bit more truth to that statement. But not anymore. I'm exactly 43 years old.

    Republicans today aren't the Republicans of my childhood and youth. They were bad then, but holy shit they're terrible now.

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  • [–] 20 points 4 months ago (19 children)

    You get more and more immersed in right wing propaganda as you get older. You get exposed to more reactionary institutions, you find yourself increasingly segregated from people of different races and income scales, you suffer the psychological torments of the capitalist rat race more nakedly, and it all adds up.

    Lots of people I grew up with in high school are Trump Republicans now. They weren't MAGA shitheads in school, mostly because they were blank slates. They were warm to ideas like "Free College" when they were in college and cooled on it once they graduated (or flunked out). They were "moderate" when they had friends who were coming out of the closet and dealing with racial abuse and coming home in body bags during the Iraq War. But they grew increasingly right-wing when the law firm and the O&G offices and techbro money orgies demanded it of them.

    Even before AI started straight up poisoning people's brains, they were getting into Facebook groups and Discord channels that rotted them. Nevermind the endless barrage of NYT / WaPo "Why These Trump Voters Need To Be Listened To" articles and CBS / ABC "Transgender Athletes: A Threat To Your Kid's Scholarship?" TV slop that drives so many liberals insane. Nevermind the Zionists, those nice sweet liberal folks whose faces melt right off the moment you suggest butchering millions of brown people might be bad Middle East policy.

    Fucking sucks, but time really does turn people rightward when you live in a fascist hellhole.

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    that's not being a blank slate though, that's being so devoid of empathy that you can't even imagine what it's like being yourself a few years ago.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    that’s not being a blank slate though

    It's people who don't have a strong opinion because they haven't been bombarded with a particular flavor of social media yet.

    A twenty-year-old is going to have a different view of alternative ethnic groups than a forty-year-old, simply by way of psychological attrition. You can only get so many "Black Man With Sour Face In Orange Jumpsuit" local news jump-scare stories before the racism is bludgeoned into your gray matter.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

    People also become more isolated from “others” as they age, at least those with stable jobs. They are surrounded by people of the same financial ability, and their job keeps them in an area, and their income matches to a house.

    It’s not until they get laid off or they have a medical event that they start to think about it again. As long as the life compared to their peers is ok and their bellies are full, they don’t complain about trillionaires.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    Even past this, I think we undersell the socializing value of public schools. This is particularly true of the big state universities, where you're going to be bumping shoulders with people from the opposite side of the state (even the other side of the country). But even public high schools have a way of co-mingling people from the other side of the tracks for one reason or another.

    They are surrounded by people of the same financial ability, and their job keeps them in an area, and their income matches to a house.

    Absolutely this. Bigger cities can kinda-sorta avoid this. But the people you know best are going to be your coworkers and your neighbors, strictly by virtue of proximity. One of the perks of social institutions like churches and gyms is that you butt up against people who aren't perfectly parallel with you in terms of socio-economic status.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    Problem now is that even those of us that managed the dream fucking hate them because they won’t share shit due to them being in some weird pedophilia club or something.

    I assume in order to not be mad at them you need to have 10 mil invested or something.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    It happens, I'm sure. Constant exposure to propaganda and an increase in money can do that to you. But it didn't happen to my parents (who are seniors now) and it didn't happen to me, yet.

    My point is, it won't happen to everyone like I was told by people in the town I grew up and first voted in. I grew up in a conservative hellhole, one that may or may not have one of the most corrupt and theocratic governments of any state, if that gives you any hints.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    My point is, it won’t happen to everyone

    Sure. Nothing happens to everyone (except the one big thing).

    But it happens to enough people such that it shapes general public perceptions and vibes.

    I grew up in a conservative hellhole, one that may or may not have one of the most corrupt and theocratic governments of any state, if that gives you any hints.

    But I agree, it cuts both ways. I wasn't a raging leftist in high school. I flirted with Republicans, because they were in the majority. I flirted with Libertarianism, because it seemed like they agreed me on a few things at least. I flirted with the local liberal establishments, because it at least looked like a runway towards progressive policies.

    You can only see so much corruption, insincerity, and complicity before it drives you to the fringes. If I wasn't a fire-breathing leftist tankie wumao third-worlder Bookchin afficianado, I guess I would have ended up doing QAnon shit from the strain of it all.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    Ha, I thought theocratic government would narrow it down. It's Utah.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    I'm from Texas. From my experience, it could apply to anyone over here or east straight on to Florida. Nevermind the nightmare politics of the upper midwest or the fascist fuckwit colony of Idaho.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (6 children)

    Oh yeah, I mean, religion is everywhere, including in those governments. But the Mormon church quite literally is the government in Utah. The vast majority of the state government are temple-recommend card carrying members of the church, and also went on missions. These aren't just practicing christians, most of them are bishops or high ranking members of the church.

    I think that it's a difficult thing to understand from the outside, but if you lived there for more than a year, you'd definitely understand what I mean. Utah is a huge bubble. They turn their noses up at anyone perceived as an outsider (in practice, this meant "not Mormon"), including Atheists, people who were agnostic, Christians, Catholics, and people practicing Judaism. The way this was done was very insidious as well, because to your face, they'd be all nice, but then you'd hear their disapproval and judgement through the grapevine.

    Anyway, I'm rambling/venting now, but my point is that Utah is about as close as you can get to a fully theocratic state in the US, it's much closer to something like the Vatican than anywhere else that I've lived or visited. Idaho is the way it is because of Utah - it has an extremely high Mormon population as well.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (5 children)

    But the Mormon church quite literally is the government in Utah.

    And the Southern Baptist Convention run Arkansas, Alabama, and Mississippi. Meanwhile, Opus Dei Catholics have their hooks deep into Missouri and Louisiana. Churches are a common way to organize a political vanguard in order to manage an ostensibly democratic institution. The Mormons have a ton of influence in neighboring Arizona, Nevada, California, and across the border in Sonora, Mexico.

    Utah is a huge bubble.

    I grew up in a town outside of Houston, Texas called Sugar Land. We also used to jokingly refer to it as "The Bubble", as it was a Planned Community that resulted from a collaboration of the O&G industry, the D.R. Horton Home Builders, and the Sugar Creek Baptist Church under Tom DeLay. Then the Catholic Church moved in and blew the whole thing up by flooding the district with the perfidious Irish and the nefarious Taiwanese.

    But yes, being one of half a dozen Jewish kids in a sea of Southerners was certainly an experience.

    my point is that Utah is about as close as you can get to a fully theocratic state in the US

    US Theocracies are more common than you'd first guess. Louisiana is fully co-opted by southern Catholics. Check out the Veiled Prophet Society in St. Louis (half a zillion podcasts on the subject). Texas has its share of outright cult towns, the Branch Davidians being an iconic but hardly idiosyncratic example. And then you've got the various Black Baptist church tentpole institutions from Harlem to Oakland (marginally less toxic than the whites, but no less influential nor dogmatic).

    The fastest way to get a large number of people to vote for you is to appeal to a member of the clergy. So quite a bit of US democratic power springs from a comparatively small but vocal set of religious hubs.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (4 children)

    I am in no way denying that other states do similar things. I am saying that Utah is a completely different animal than those states. It was founded, incorporated, built, and run by Mormons the entire time (there used to even be a Mormon army), with a super majority of residents themselves being Mormon, all while the Mormon church is one of the richest religious organizations in the county. They're literally one of the biggest private land owners in the country as well. They are rich and by far the most powerful organization in Utah and Idaho.

    Again, I do genuinely believe that you'd have to live there (and thus deal with the Utah government) to understand what I mean. It is not the same as the south. There aren't just cult towns like you describe, that is literally the whole state. Even relatively blue areas such as SLC suffer from the control and oversight of the church.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    I am saying that Utah is a completely different animal than those states.

    It's insular because it's Mormons giving the reach around to other Mormons. But you see the same social dynamic replicated in other religious groups in other states. You just don't see the bright dividing lines, because the religious organizations transcend state boundaries in other areas of the country. There's not some hard stop between the Kansas and Missouri state lines, where being a Southern Baptist begins and ends.

    Again, I do genuinely believe that you’d have to live there (and thus deal with the Utah government) to understand what I mean.

    I've lived a number of places, some of them very deeply religious and others much more plural. I can't speak to Utah specifically, but I can speak to a few places that were functionally operating as Jonestown minus the kool-aid. If you give the history of these states a hard look, you can see the same patterns and the same social structures. "First Colony" got its name for a reason, and it echoes through the community in a way you wouldn't understand unless you lived there.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

    I'm not sure if this drives home part of my point, but take a look at this (if you click the link, you might have to click "search this area"):

    https://www.google.com/maps/search/Church+Of+Jesus+Christ+Of+Latter-Day+Saints/@40.2957943,-111.7057408,15z

    That is a tiny, zoomed in silver of roughly three and a half x two Utah blocks (yes, even the block system is different because of the Mormon grid) picked at random in the Utah valley. That is NINE separate LDS churches in that image, all within a 2 minute or less drive of each other.

    There is no such thing as an "independent" Mormon church, either, like the religions you are talking about. These all have members paying 10% tithes which goes to the church leadership as a whole. They are wards and individual churches under the same exact umbrella. Go to any place in the valley, and you'll find even more. Where I grew up, there were four LDS churches within a 5 minute walk of my house. No joke.

    This is why Mormonism is completely different than any of the other religions you have mentioned. They are a full blown corporation, and there are no independent churches. Zero.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    That is NINE separate LDS churches in that image, all within a 2 minute or less drive of each other.

    Harris County has 3,031 churches in total, giving a church-to-population ratio of about 1:1,350. Salt Lake City is closer to 1:700. I suppose you could big-dick me and insist that Utah has more. But at some point, we're just arguing a matter of degrees.

    Indianapolis, Indiana comes in at 2,892 churches with a population of 830k, giving it 1:289. Here's a street in Tuxedo park with five churches in walking distance that I found just googling around.

    There is no such thing as an “independent” Mormon church, either, like the religions you are talking about.

    No. The Mormons are much more like the Catholics in that regard. Abet, more in the style of an MLM than a horizontal monopoly. The proliferation of Baptist, Methodist, Catholic, and other denominational churches in Texas is much more free-lance. Throwing down churches like we throw down oil wells.

    This is why Mormonism is completely different

    It's a variation on a very well-established theme.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    I think we're going to have to agree to disagree here. I lived in Utah for multiple decades, and the bubble also goes both ways. If you can't experience it for yourself, you will not understand.

    Using SLC to compare is also not ideal. SLC is the least Mormon part of Utah. You should be comparing entire states, not just the cities. You should also be comparing the actual religion, and not just blanketing all of them into one. Apples to apples.

    Utah has at least 5,229 LDS churches, and 24 temples (which are reserved only for the members with temple recommends). Not counting those temples, Utah has roughly 1 church for every 652 people. Not everyone is Mormon, the vast majority are though. If we only count church members, this goes to 1:411. This is all state wide. No individual cities, and it's one religious organization (I prefer corporation).

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    A racialised socio-economic buffer in-between liberal elites and the underclasses was the whole point of the creation of the (so-called) "middle class" through Keynesian economics - that's really what the "New Deal" (in the US) and Apartheid-era economic policies in South Africa was all about. By giving a relatively small (and white) section of the working class a small taste of private property they'd become invested in the colonialist liberal economic order, and it was pretty successful too - it's the reason why boomers are the way they are.

    However, now that Keynesian liberalism has inevitably degraded into neoliberalism (which is really an inevitable process) that pretend-social contract is essentially in tatters - so I guess all bets are off.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Nitpick: the USA didn't adopt Keynesian monetary policy until after the Nixon Shock, as a post hoc rationale. Keynes helped destroy the middle class, not to create it.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Maybe because they expected more of us would have wealth to protect? I always thought it was a stupid idea they told themselves to explain why their kids didn’t like them.

    Personally, I’ve always been concerned about corrupt leaders coopting the inevitable wave of power coming to the millennials as the boomers faded away. I didn’t want to become like the previous generation, so I’ve paid extra attention to resisting being convinced to hate “out” groups. Only, the power never transitioned. Egg on my face, I guess.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    Even as a child I knew the older generation was fucking everything up. I kept waiting for them to disappear but they never have...

    It's only as I have grown older that I understand that these terrible people just get replaced with more and sometimes worse people...

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    My aunt said "When you're older and wiser, you'll understand".

    I'm now a Democratic Socialist and 37. I still do not understand and have, in fact, become more leftist with age.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago*

    What they actually mean is "You'll agree more when you're rich and complicit in benefiting from ever more unethical practices of people around you that you now have to make mental gymnastics about to make yourself still seem like a decent person". But that's a bit too long.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I can't help but wonder if that actually used to be true, but it was because of more accumulated lead exposure over time rather than aging over time.

    I'm an old white guy born into conservative religious america, and my entire adult life has been spent sliding to the left as I observe the left being correct and giving a shit about people while the right continues to be disingenuous and destructive and greedy.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    I'm an old white guy born into conservative religious america, and my entire adult life has been spent sliding to the left as I observe the left being correct and giving a shit about people while the right continues to be disingenuous and destructive and greedy.

    Same here and it's been a long road. I lived in Seattle for 5 years and it was just amazing not being surrounded by right wing religious zealots.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    Getting older includes losing your field of fucks to give. If you've spent your life bullying and celebrating your ignorance like them, you'll become more conservative. If your views and your morals have stayed somewhat consistent and you've been generous, courteous and compassionate, those values will persist your lack of fucks to give, often pushing you further left rather than right.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    Same here. Turns out reality has a liberal bias unless you go out of your way to ignore it.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (7 children)

    Turns out reality has a liberal bias

    Really? Reality is biased towards oligarchy?

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    No, oligarchy is a poor approach that's applied to reality and enforced by violence.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (5 children)

    This you?

    Turns out reality has a liberal bias

    Liberalism is a fundamentally oligarchic, right-wing ideology. So what are you really trying to say?

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    In my country (US) liberals are known as left-wing and conservatives as right-wing.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    There is no such thing as a "left-wing" liberal anywhere on earth. It's a fundamentally oligarchic, right-wing ideology. Always has been, always will be - everywhere.

    If you think there's anything "left" about liberal oligarchy it means you've been lied to.

    Also... those people calling themselves "conservatives?" They're just fundamentalist liberals - ie, just liberals who doesn't hide the fact that they're all about protecting their private ownership over the economy - the core tenet of liberalism - and care little for the fluff that liberalism has traditionally used to camouflage that core tenet.

    That's all they are.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Kthx, I'm not here to argue about your worldview, have a good one!

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    very much so, now 61 and way over here on the left from about slightly right of center as a 19yr old voter. The more you see, the more you understand the need for the guillotine

    That aside, it's Caro soooo...

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  • [–] 42 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I looked at this and assume the person who authored the survey had worded it:

    Which Do You Prefer?

    • Socialism

    • Communism

    • No Opinion

    Specifically to create a troll graphic for FOX.

    Btw, Cato Institute is a fucking Libertarian hothouse of business psychos and CSAM consumers. Take everything they put out with a grain of salt, even it's a surface level "Oh, that's good for us".

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Exactly. Cato Institute = Koch Brothers. Two of the most despicable libertarian oil pushing fuck nuts that spawned from hell here on earth.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    Two of the most despicable libertarian oil pushing fuck nuts

    Technically only one fucknut left from the original four. They Ayn Rand'd themselves sequentially and now the organization they run is mostly burning cash on vanity shit for libertarian baby-brains. But at its height, they were a terror.

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  • [–] 22 points 4 months ago
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    sigsauer1814

    I refuse to believe this account's posts are genuine and not right-wing agitprop

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    18-39 refer to a Bible verse?

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Republicans literally giving away free tacos at the Texas Democratic Convention which... I guess... make you want to support Open Borders?

    The menu included Veggie Talarico (potato, egg and cheese), N.I.C.E. (bacon, egg and cheese), Open Border Brisket (smoked brisket), and Democrat Promises, described on the menu as an "empty tortilla."

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago

    Those sharing bastards

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    Stop treating people like dirt and you'll never have to worry about evil socialism (boo! hiss!) ever again... but, fortunately for the left, that is completely incomprehensible to anybody suffering from liberal brain-rot.

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    but how many of them supports actual socialism/communism rather that what they were told socialism/communism is?

    it might be a similar situation to that with poles aged 40+ who were hurt by communism so they declare to support capitalism but when you actually ask them about capitalost ideas the support drops by a lot

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago*

    when confronted with details without mentioning the scary words socialism or communism most people are overwhelmingly in favour of it. That’s why the constant strawmen based fighting between tankies and liberals is so tiring. Instead of talking about facts and discussing the pros and cons of how to achieve the shared goals they constantly throw shit at each other

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    There is a big question about "who gets power" and people don't know and we don't have answers. Right now plutocrats own and control the news and social media, control the government and the courts and the legislation through lobbying and control all the economic power in the world.

    Ask communists on lemmy and they'll endlessly wax about theory but how do we, on a practical level, assert power over all that? They are honestly stuck in the 1940s and instead want to "rehabilitate Stalin" lol. There is a point to be made that we need a state to use violence against the capitalist power structures. But the old recipe of the great purge, millions of deaths and a chilling effect had already failed. The USSR failed even before the cold war. We lack ideological alternatives and oldschool communists are stuck in reactionary thinking just like conservatives.

    Like news media should have some kind of public utility endowment and be democratically run by the workers their electing their own bosses. Social media needs to be properly moderated with lots of paid moderators. Lobbying and advertising needs to be banned largely. So once people are actually well informed and not terrorized daily, then we can have a little democracy again.

    But we also need better democratic and voting system in themselves. We should have an independent "economent" government part that we control through internet. Like a big bank where you can vote for what gets funded. Where you can fund to raise or lower prices in this or that or push for more housing etc.

    But we're not just completely behind in power but also have no good worked out ideas to implement anything better. The smartest people should be working on this but instead are brainwashed and hired by the richest people.

    Anyway, sorry for the long rant lol. Meme's like OP piss me off. You're right, people are not really becoming more socialist. Besides that, we also have a massive conservative propagandist effort aimed at young people on youtube and social media. The youth now won't be better than the boomers.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    I still think policies should be tested to see if they optimize HDI, GDPPP, and environmental impact. Of course in the case of free higher education it's a pretty easy one to guess the answer to.

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    MILEI!, MILEI!, MILEI!

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (5 children)

    I'm just waiting for them to start a real war and draft everyone under 25-30. I know boomers have been a big issue for a long time but I doubt millennials or gen x care if they purge us and force us back into line.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I'm Gen X, and I care. My kids are Gen Z, so would be right in that age group to get drafted. I don't want us in any more wars. I know that everyone is different, but I've definitely been impressed with my own kids, and quite a few of the kids they grew up with. I'm looking forward to your generation getting involved with politics and the world. I wish more of your generation was actively getting involved now, and helping change their future for the better. The Boomers fucked up a lot of things for future generations, and my generation hasn't done as much to fix that as we should have. Get involved. Secure your own future. You and the millennials need to work together, or you'll be no better off than we are now.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago

    The last lines almost made me cry.

    Have you seen our generation? Have you truly looked at it? Most people have given up.

    Millennials hate us. Most of gen x outside of the parents hate us. Even some of those hate us.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Wait, I'm out of the loop. Why would they not care? Especially millennials???

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