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[–] 67 points 1 week ago (64 children)

If our .ml friends could read, they'd be very upset right now.

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  • [–] 42 points 1 week ago (13 children)

    Tankies when you mention any democrat

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  • [–] 22 points 1 week ago (11 children)

    They both bomb the middle east.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    Did they both rape children too?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 week ago

    Biden's White House had the Epstein files and could have released them at any time.

    Idk if they rape children, but it sure seems they hid the information and avoided the prosecution of dozens to hundreds of people who definitely raped children.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (2 children)

    One wants to murder children, the other wants to murder and rape children. See, tankies, they're not the same at all!

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    They are different enough that choosing who to vote is no brainer :/

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago

    They're similar enough that choosing to vote third party is a no brainer.

    Give me someone kinda shitty, but not a genocidal freak, and I'd actually have to think about it. But these people are obviously unacceptable, and there are only two reasons one might think otherwise: either absolute, blind, unconditional loyalty to the party, or, not seeing the lives of Middle Easterners as human beings.

    If your party won't even consider my conditions and red lines, then what they're saying is that they don't want or need my vote. Fine then, stop complaining when you don't get it.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    members of both parties support legislation that harms and kills trans people. or are you merely virtue-signaling for a group you don't personally understand?

    Hell, I've seen liberals on this very site demanding trans people vote for a Democrat who has openly promised to restrict their healthcare or work with Repubs to keep trans people out of sports.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago*

    The majority of Democrats do want rights for trans people.

    While the Majority of Republicans don't.

    If you care about trans, you vote Democrat. There they get the best chances to live.

    And what some so-called liberals do on this site doesn't matter unless they are politicians. But I bet they were bots from .ml weren't they?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 week ago (5 children)

    I've blocked a bunch of election trolls. In threads like these I can almost feel their presence.

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    Well, the "memes of production" community seems to act like a reservoir where they breed up. They stay mostly confined to that habitat so you don't tend to notice them.

    Every month my ban expires and I see a thread from there and engage with some idiocy for 5 minutes before getting banned for another month.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (42 children)

    I don't think the idea that certain wings of the capitalist class coalesce around different capitalist parties and therefore invest in elections heavily is antagonistic to the idea that neither party represents the interests of the working class. Capitalists are not a monolith, so they duke it out electorally, but workers end up getting crumbs at most regardless of who wins at the ballot box. It makes far more of a difference for them than it does for us.

    Also think it's funny that socialists supposedly can't read, while also reading too much. "The enemy is both weak and strong," yadda yadda.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 week ago (41 children)

    And yet .ml has been screeching pretty much non-stop about how elections are pointless and have no effect. And don't flatter yourself, your silly rabble doesn't anywhere near rise to a level of "enemy".

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  • [–] 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (36 children)

    I'm sorry but I'm not a capitalist, whoever wins the election will continue the genocides in Palestine and Cuba, will continue the attacks around the world, will perpetuate a failing capitalist system that does not and cannot meet the needs of the people, that will not respect treaties with indigenous nations, and will not represent the working class. Elections matter most of all to the ruling class, as it picks which wing of the capitalist class will get to rule, not whether workers benefit or not.

    As for socialists not rising to the level of enemy, the capitalist state certainly seems to disagree with you.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (27 children)

    Cuba

    Doubt, the US was slowly improving relations with Cuba. A lot of that was undone in Trump's first term. Fixed a bit under Biden, and now it's absolutely horrible.

    Quite literally there was an option last cycle that would have prevented what's happening in Cuba.

    As for respecting Indegious nations perhaps you should talk to some Natives. Biden's term the Secretary of the Interior was a Native American. Her name was Deb Haaland, absolutely amazing woman. Under her guidance she protected many important indigenous sites, expanded tribal consultants (and made their say matter), and renamed countless places back to their indigenous names. Never before had the Tribal Nations been this respected. Now that Trump won he's replaced her with an oil guy pushing an "energy dominace" agenda. Which means expanding the exploitation of federal lands for oil, gas, mining, and timber. He's delisted several protected sites so their resources can be exploited and slashed tribal consultation.

    And this is what pisses me off about people spreading the rhetoric you do. You don't actually care about minorities or oppressed people in the slightest. You use their suffering to justify your own political agenda. Were things perfect? No there's a long list of issues that we likely would agree on, but many things were clearly better for many marginalized groups before Trump and there was an option to keep those positive changes in place. Yet you threw up your hands declared both sides are the same and allowed the poor and oppressed to become worse off. Minorities shouldn't be your pawns for political rhetoric. Fake ally

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  • [–] -1 points 1 week ago* (26 children)

    No, relations with Cuba were not improving. The Obama administration was working to undermine the Cuban political project, and both the Obama admin and Biden admin continued the sanctions regime on Cuba. Biden performatively removed Cuba from the state sponsors of terror list right at the end, because he knew it would get struck down. You also clearly have not spoken with indigenous peoples. Making token gestures is not at all the same as respecting prior treaties and decolonizing Turtle Island.

    I care deeply about the struggles in Cuba, Palestine, and indigenous struggles here. I devote my time and money to organizing for a better world, because I know these are not problems that can be solved under capitalism. Minority nationalities shouldn't be your pawns for political rhetoric. Get in the streets, get organized, and stop treating the tokenizing of minorities under democrats that then perpetuate their butchery and oppression as liberation.

    Do better. Join an org, and stop defending the capitalist class and their cronies.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (25 children)

    Token gestures? I've worked closely with several tribal members in my time. They appreciated the work being done under Haaland. It was putting control of Native Lands back in to Native hands and restoring treaty agreements. Real tangible improvements in tribal sovereignty. That was undone instantly by Trump.

    I'm sorry about Turtle Island whichever one you're referring to, but neither candidate would do anything about that. But we had a candidate that was going to continue to expand tribal relations and tribal sovereignty within the US. Anyone that actually cared would have wanted this to continue, but I suppose the sovereignty and rights of Native American tribes isn't as flashy for your rhetoric

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  • [–] 0 points 1 week ago (24 children)

    What's necessary, and what indigenous groups have been demanding for centuries now, is for every treaty to be respected. What they need is the full right of self-determination, up to and including secession. This has been demanded. The reservation system isn't sovereignty, it's apartheid. You're describing these relations the same way Zionists describe relations with the Palestinian Authority.

    It isn't about "flash," it's about what's both necessary and possible. We absolutely can decolonize Turtle Island (the north American continent), but Democrats and Republicans alike perpetuate settler-colonialism. Again, join an org, fight for a better world.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago* (23 children)

    So we've looped right back around. One candidate was going to continue to make some improvements to the lives of the marginalized, but they weren't going to fulfill all your demands. So now the lives are the marginalized are worse off.

    Thanks for clarifying which Turtle Island, I thought you were talking about the one in lake Eerie that once belonged to the Miami tribe. Which did seem far too specific

    Anyway you can vote to reduce harm to marginalized groups and join an org. You should do both

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (20 children)

    Why do you keep calling protecting sacred tribal sites and tribal land a token gestures? Now many are open for oil exploitation with little Native input.

    It may be a "token gesture" to you, but it mattered to the groups you pretend to care for

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (16 children)

    They are happy with shiny tokens. They want everyone to be thankful for crumbs and discards for the feudal lords and oligarchs.

    The nail that sticks out gets the hammer. They are the content with billions starving as long as they get rewarded by the Master. They hate you for telling them they're enablers, not the good guys trying for a better path forward for humanity and the planet.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (15 children)

    shiny tokens

    Imagine being this disrespectful to tribal members calling what they want "shiny tokens". Literal colonizer behavior

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago* (6 children)

    Why don't you listen? Major tribal voices supported Harris because they knew Trump would take back the increased sovereignty they had gained.

    Now they have less self-determination because he won, and he's trying constantly to erode more tribal rights.

    It was not perfect under Biden, far from it. It would not have been perfect under Harris. It was ultimately worse under Trump, and the tribes knew this would be the case. You decided they should suffer for your political rhetoric. It's not about what they wanted it's about what you wanted. You thought you knew better than them. It's just the colonizer mindset

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago* (4 children)

    tell them their calls for self-determination are too radical

    Not once did I say this. They deserve more. I support all action peaceful to violent to further their rights. Burn the system

    It's so exhausting how you seem to think voting so things don't get worse and advocating for more is impossible. All this mindset does is make things worse for the oppressed. Yet you ignore the clear evidence

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (2 children)

    You don't give a fk about your favourite team facilitating and funding a genocide. Literal ethnic cleansing and mass killing.

    Just stop. You're making a fool out of yourself for no reason. You're not about to convince anti-genocide protesters to celebrate your party's wholesale murder of innocent human beings.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago* (1 child)

    You told me you were tired and didn't want to continue this on another comment. Which is why I left you be.

    Okay sure I'll bite, I don't play teams. I pick what causes the least harm on election day and advocate for more. No current candidate will give me the world I want and I dislike them all.

    Now that's cleared up do you have anything of substance to add or would you like to say good evening for real this time?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago

    Then why are you and others getting mad because Dems are being criticized?

    Do you believe in "Vote blue no matter who?"

    Or "If you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black."?

    ... suppose Donald has a stroke or something and his brain flips 180⁰. Overlooking the fact that it's not how things actually work. Will you start supporting him unconditionally just because he'll cause least harm?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago* (5 children)

    You were just speaking for the whole yourself calling well established tribal goals mere "shiny tokens". Which is incredibly disrespectful and infatalizing. Like I said colonizer behavior.

    I think we can both agree there's plenty of change that needs to happen, but I'll never understand the desire you have to worsen the conditions of the oppressed to serve your rhetoric

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    You assume I'm talking about people when I say shiny tokens because I guess you do think of them as tokens

    And you told me to read more? Re-read my statements. I was clearly pointing out how you call tribal goals "shiny tokens". Which very clearly implies that you believe the goals of these tribal governments are trivial and that they don't know better. You are using a colonizer mindset to trivialize the goals of Native peoples because you think you know what's best for them. It's disgusting

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (7 children)

    I was talking about elections in general, not the US midterm elections specifically. I actually agree that the US political system is deeply fucked up and the midterms will not bring any fundamental change. But the US are not the only country on earth and an imperfect democratic system can be improved. The kind of dictatorship you people would replace it with is definitely just going to make everything worse.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (6 children)

    How is a system based on popular councils and mass participation at all levels of government going to make everything worse? What do you think socialists are advocating for in terms of democracy?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (4 children)

    China has a far more comprehensive and integrated democratic system than the US does, based on popular councils and mass participation. See Socialism in Power: On the History and Theory of Socialist Governance by professor Roland Boer. This is, in my opinion, a much better democratic system than one that limits the participation of the majority to merely picking between which wing of the capitalist class will dictate how society goes. Do you have an actual argument against this, or do you just have a gut reaction based on vibes?

    Have you actually looked into how socialist countries govern, before? Like, seriously looked at it? And seriously looked at what socialists propose we replace capitalism with?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (3 children)

    I certainly have and it has nothing to do with your fantasies.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago

    Genuine question, do you think commenting in this manner helps convince people of your own views, or better legitimize mine? I offer an olive branch every single time, and you usually refuse to take it. You aren't even linking BBC/Wikipedia/etc, you're just outright refusing. Is it for self-satisfaction, or do you genuinely think this helps convince either myself or onlookers?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago* (2 children)

    You know Cowbee cooked you good when you resort to calling it "silly rabble" instead of engaging.

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