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[–] 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (25 children)

Token gestures? I've worked closely with several tribal members in my time. They appreciated the work being done under Haaland. It was putting control of Native Lands back in to Native hands and restoring treaty agreements. Real tangible improvements in tribal sovereignty. That was undone instantly by Trump.

I'm sorry about Turtle Island whichever one you're referring to, but neither candidate would do anything about that. But we had a candidate that was going to continue to expand tribal relations and tribal sovereignty within the US. Anyone that actually cared would have wanted this to continue, but I suppose the sovereignty and rights of Native American tribes isn't as flashy for your rhetoric

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  • [–] 0 points 1 week ago (24 children)

    What's necessary, and what indigenous groups have been demanding for centuries now, is for every treaty to be respected. What they need is the full right of self-determination, up to and including secession. This has been demanded. The reservation system isn't sovereignty, it's apartheid. You're describing these relations the same way Zionists describe relations with the Palestinian Authority.

    It isn't about "flash," it's about what's both necessary and possible. We absolutely can decolonize Turtle Island (the north American continent), but Democrats and Republicans alike perpetuate settler-colonialism. Again, join an org, fight for a better world.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago* (23 children)

    So we've looped right back around. One candidate was going to continue to make some improvements to the lives of the marginalized, but they weren't going to fulfill all your demands. So now the lives are the marginalized are worse off.

    Thanks for clarifying which Turtle Island, I thought you were talking about the one in lake Eerie that once belonged to the Miami tribe. Which did seem far too specific

    Anyway you can vote to reduce harm to marginalized groups and join an org. You should do both

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  • [–] -4 points 1 week ago (21 children)

    Except the Democrats are not making improvements, they are perpetuating the system oppressing indigenous peoples with no desire to do what's necessary for sovereignty. Token gestures are far below the minimum necessary. This is not a difficult problem to solve, it's very easy to do, the problem is that there is no political will from the capitalist class to do so. The majority of my comrades are marginalized peoples from many backgrounds, we are all fighting for a better world. Because we understand history and dedicate our time and money to study and political activism, this shows us what's actually both achievable and necessary.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (20 children)

    Why do you keep calling protecting sacred tribal sites and tribal land a token gestures? Now many are open for oil exploitation with little Native input.

    It may be a "token gesture" to you, but it mattered to the groups you pretend to care for

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  • [–] -1 points 1 week ago (19 children)

    Because at the same exact time, the Democrats strengthened the very apartheid system that to this day represents settler-colonial genocide. Why do you keep making light of this apartheid?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (16 children)

    They are happy with shiny tokens. They want everyone to be thankful for crumbs and discards for the feudal lords and oligarchs.

    The nail that sticks out gets the hammer. They are the content with billions starving as long as they get rewarded by the Master. They hate you for telling them they're enablers, not the good guys trying for a better path forward for humanity and the planet.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (15 children)

    shiny tokens

    Imagine being this disrespectful to tribal members calling what they want "shiny tokens". Literal colonizer behavior

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  • [–] 0 points 1 week ago (7 children)

    They want self-determination. They want land back. Please, listen to them, rather than saying they are fine with better representaion within the same apartheid regime.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago* (6 children)

    Why don't you listen? Major tribal voices supported Harris because they knew Trump would take back the increased sovereignty they had gained.

    Now they have less self-determination because he won, and he's trying constantly to erode more tribal rights.

    It was not perfect under Biden, far from it. It would not have been perfect under Harris. It was ultimately worse under Trump, and the tribes knew this would be the case. You decided they should suffer for your political rhetoric. It's not about what they wanted it's about what you wanted. You thought you knew better than them. It's just the colonizer mindset

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  • [–] 0 points 1 week ago (5 children)

    Nah, you're continuing to silence them. You keep minimizing settler-colonial genocide in favor of tokenization, that's the colonizer mindset. Decolonization requires self-determination, not platitudes from the ones upholding the apartheid system. I work with indigenous organizers and study the history of settler-colonialism here, as a part of ongoing work. You silence indigenous voices, and tell them their calls for self-determination are too radical, and that they should be thankful for colonizers apologizing while perpetuating apartheid.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago* (4 children)

    tell them their calls for self-determination are too radical

    Not once did I say this. They deserve more. I support all action peaceful to violent to further their rights. Burn the system

    It's so exhausting how you seem to think voting so things don't get worse and advocating for more is impossible. All this mindset does is make things worse for the oppressed. Yet you ignore the clear evidence

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (2 children)

    You don't give a fk about your favourite team facilitating and funding a genocide. Literal ethnic cleansing and mass killing.

    Just stop. You're making a fool out of yourself for no reason. You're not about to convince anti-genocide protesters to celebrate your party's wholesale murder of innocent human beings.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago* (1 child)

    You told me you were tired and didn't want to continue this on another comment. Which is why I left you be.

    Okay sure I'll bite, I don't play teams. I pick what causes the least harm on election day and advocate for more. No current candidate will give me the world I want and I dislike them all.

    Now that's cleared up do you have anything of substance to add or would you like to say good evening for real this time?

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  • [–] 1 point 6 days ago

    Then why are you and others getting mad because Dems are being criticized?

    Do you believe in "Vote blue no matter who?"

    Or "If you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black."?

    ... suppose Donald has a stroke or something and his brain flips 180⁰. Overlooking the fact that it's not how things actually work. Will you start supporting him unconditionally just because he'll cause least harm?

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  • [–] -1 points 6 days ago

    You said that native people you knew were happy with those maintaining apartheid while giving token representation. You didn't even know what Turtle Island was when I first mentioned it, when referring to North America as Turtle Island is incredibly common among decolonial native groups. My point is that the primary obstacle for native people isn't something on the ballot box at all, it gets worse for them year over year regardless of who is in office. If the DNC is in office, it still gets worse, because the apartheid system makes conditions worse year over year by existing at all. Without removing it, no matter how much representation we give, conditions will always be getting worse.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 week ago (6 children)

    You speak for all of them?

    You're their european-colonizer assigned "Indian Agent"?

    ...you assume too much and understand too little. Talk less and learn to listen/read more.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago* (5 children)

    You were just speaking for the whole yourself calling well established tribal goals mere "shiny tokens". Which is incredibly disrespectful and infatalizing. Like I said colonizer behavior.

    I think we can both agree there's plenty of change that needs to happen, but I'll never understand the desire you have to worsen the conditions of the oppressed to serve your rhetoric

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (4 children)

    You were focused on it, not i. You assume I'm talking about people when I say shiny tokens because I guess you do think of them as tokens. That's not what I said, but regardless. Forgive me for that choice of words and talk about the genocide.

    You support the genocide overseen and enabled by Democrats under Biden and Harris? If not, why are you so offended by people criticizing your preferred political party? Do you approach politics like a team sport or something like most USians?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    You assume I'm talking about people when I say shiny tokens because I guess you do think of them as tokens

    And you told me to read more? Re-read my statements. I was clearly pointing out how you call tribal goals "shiny tokens". Which very clearly implies that you believe the goals of these tribal governments are trivial and that they don't know better. You are using a colonizer mindset to trivialize the goals of Native peoples because you think you know what's best for them. It's disgusting

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  • [–] 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    I like how you avoid answering the actual questions. Answer the questions I asked after apologizing to your sensitive soul or stop replying and go be angry at someone else.

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