▲ 434 ▼ The 16GB Raspberry Pi 5 got another ‘unavoidable’ RAM price hike (www.theverge.com) submitted 1 week ago by Itwasntme223@discuss.online to c/technology@lemmy.world 110 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 101 points 1 week ago* (15 children) When it was introduced the Pi cost $15 It was a 700MHz single core board with 512mb of ram...and it was $35, not $15 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (11 children) And if tech had been proceeding since then as it did for the previous 30 years, you'd expect a whole lot more power for your $15 $35 now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago (5 children) An ESP32-P4 is about the same ram, better IO options, but half the CPU of the original Pi for about $20 right now. So the tech has been progressing a little bit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 18 points 1 week ago ESP32-P4 Theres a ton of ebook readers that are using the esp32 as a baseline. and meshtastic. Its a fantastic set of chips and setup. permalink fedilink source parent [–] solrize@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) The original Pi had 512MB not KB. It ran Linux and had an SD card "disk". The ESP32 series aren't in the same class. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zagorath 8 points 1 week ago (1 child) It's also been 14 years. "About the same ram...but half the CPU" for over half the price (original comment was wrong, it was $35, not $15) is not a flex. It's a stunning failure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] europeancricket@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago The economic aspect of Moore's law has been broken. Luckily we still have capabilities for a few more years of innovation in the performance scaling. For now. permalink fedilink source parent [–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2 points 6 days ago The Pi Pico is a 32-bit processor for far less than $20. A microcontroller is in a completely different category from the Pi 5 permalink fedilink source parent [–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 week ago* (2 children) It was also $35 at release, not $15 You're roughly getting 150x the power for 10x the cost with the current price hike. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 week ago (1 child) You're roughly getting 150x the power for 10x the cost with the current price hike. Maybe in a vacuum, but in a world with millions or even billions of 'legacy' devices sitting around collecting dust that have equal or better compute power for less cost, these devices don't really make sense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 week ago No I completely agree, they make no sense these days. I was just saying that innovation has actually carried them forward and how much more power you actually get compared to the original raspis. permalink fedilink source parent [–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 week ago (1 child) Moore’s law ran for 40 years but hit a wall around 2010 due to physics. “Free” upgrades ended long before AI bros started buying up all the RAM and GPUs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 1 point 4 days ago It slowed around 2010 while Intel sat on its arse for quite a few years, but then transistors started shrinking again. This page has a chart suggesting the law has pretty much continued to hold. But we know that can't continue because things really are starting to hit physical limits now. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 child) Been there, and even have the shirt to prove it 😃 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Natanael@infosec.pub 2 points 1 week ago So do I! permalink fedilink source parent [–] privatizetwiddle@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 week ago Just to be pedantic: mb would be millibits, or thousandths of a bit. MB is its big brother megabytes. Fun fact: a kb is a thousand thousand times bigger than a mb! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (11 children) And if tech had been proceeding since then as it did for the previous 30 years, you'd expect a whole lot more power for your $15 $35 now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago (5 children) An ESP32-P4 is about the same ram, better IO options, but half the CPU of the original Pi for about $20 right now. So the tech has been progressing a little bit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 18 points 1 week ago ESP32-P4 Theres a ton of ebook readers that are using the esp32 as a baseline. and meshtastic. Its a fantastic set of chips and setup. permalink fedilink source parent [–] solrize@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) The original Pi had 512MB not KB. It ran Linux and had an SD card "disk". The ESP32 series aren't in the same class. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zagorath 8 points 1 week ago (1 child) It's also been 14 years. "About the same ram...but half the CPU" for over half the price (original comment was wrong, it was $35, not $15) is not a flex. It's a stunning failure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] europeancricket@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago The economic aspect of Moore's law has been broken. Luckily we still have capabilities for a few more years of innovation in the performance scaling. For now. permalink fedilink source parent [–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2 points 6 days ago The Pi Pico is a 32-bit processor for far less than $20. A microcontroller is in a completely different category from the Pi 5 permalink fedilink source parent [–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 week ago* (2 children) It was also $35 at release, not $15 You're roughly getting 150x the power for 10x the cost with the current price hike. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 week ago (1 child) You're roughly getting 150x the power for 10x the cost with the current price hike. Maybe in a vacuum, but in a world with millions or even billions of 'legacy' devices sitting around collecting dust that have equal or better compute power for less cost, these devices don't really make sense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 week ago No I completely agree, they make no sense these days. I was just saying that innovation has actually carried them forward and how much more power you actually get compared to the original raspis. permalink fedilink source parent [–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 week ago (1 child) Moore’s law ran for 40 years but hit a wall around 2010 due to physics. “Free” upgrades ended long before AI bros started buying up all the RAM and GPUs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 1 point 4 days ago It slowed around 2010 while Intel sat on its arse for quite a few years, but then transistors started shrinking again. This page has a chart suggesting the law has pretty much continued to hold. But we know that can't continue because things really are starting to hit physical limits now. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago (5 children) An ESP32-P4 is about the same ram, better IO options, but half the CPU of the original Pi for about $20 right now. So the tech has been progressing a little bit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 18 points 1 week ago ESP32-P4 Theres a ton of ebook readers that are using the esp32 as a baseline. and meshtastic. Its a fantastic set of chips and setup. permalink fedilink source parent [–] solrize@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) The original Pi had 512MB not KB. It ran Linux and had an SD card "disk". The ESP32 series aren't in the same class. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zagorath 8 points 1 week ago (1 child) It's also been 14 years. "About the same ram...but half the CPU" for over half the price (original comment was wrong, it was $35, not $15) is not a flex. It's a stunning failure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] europeancricket@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago The economic aspect of Moore's law has been broken. Luckily we still have capabilities for a few more years of innovation in the performance scaling. For now. permalink fedilink source parent [–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2 points 6 days ago The Pi Pico is a 32-bit processor for far less than $20. A microcontroller is in a completely different category from the Pi 5 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 18 points 1 week ago ESP32-P4 Theres a ton of ebook readers that are using the esp32 as a baseline. and meshtastic. Its a fantastic set of chips and setup. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] solrize@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) The original Pi had 512MB not KB. It ran Linux and had an SD card "disk". The ESP32 series aren't in the same class. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zagorath 8 points 1 week ago (1 child) It's also been 14 years. "About the same ram...but half the CPU" for over half the price (original comment was wrong, it was $35, not $15) is not a flex. It's a stunning failure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] europeancricket@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago The economic aspect of Moore's law has been broken. Luckily we still have capabilities for a few more years of innovation in the performance scaling. For now. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] europeancricket@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago The economic aspect of Moore's law has been broken. Luckily we still have capabilities for a few more years of innovation in the performance scaling. For now. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2 points 6 days ago The Pi Pico is a 32-bit processor for far less than $20. A microcontroller is in a completely different category from the Pi 5 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 week ago* (2 children) It was also $35 at release, not $15 You're roughly getting 150x the power for 10x the cost with the current price hike. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 week ago (1 child) You're roughly getting 150x the power for 10x the cost with the current price hike. Maybe in a vacuum, but in a world with millions or even billions of 'legacy' devices sitting around collecting dust that have equal or better compute power for less cost, these devices don't really make sense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 week ago No I completely agree, they make no sense these days. I was just saying that innovation has actually carried them forward and how much more power you actually get compared to the original raspis. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 week ago (1 child) You're roughly getting 150x the power for 10x the cost with the current price hike. Maybe in a vacuum, but in a world with millions or even billions of 'legacy' devices sitting around collecting dust that have equal or better compute power for less cost, these devices don't really make sense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 week ago No I completely agree, they make no sense these days. I was just saying that innovation has actually carried them forward and how much more power you actually get compared to the original raspis. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 week ago No I completely agree, they make no sense these days. I was just saying that innovation has actually carried them forward and how much more power you actually get compared to the original raspis. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 week ago (1 child) Moore’s law ran for 40 years but hit a wall around 2010 due to physics. “Free” upgrades ended long before AI bros started buying up all the RAM and GPUs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 1 point 4 days ago It slowed around 2010 while Intel sat on its arse for quite a few years, but then transistors started shrinking again. This page has a chart suggesting the law has pretty much continued to hold. But we know that can't continue because things really are starting to hit physical limits now. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 1 point 4 days ago It slowed around 2010 while Intel sat on its arse for quite a few years, but then transistors started shrinking again. This page has a chart suggesting the law has pretty much continued to hold. But we know that can't continue because things really are starting to hit physical limits now. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 child) Been there, and even have the shirt to prove it 😃 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Natanael@infosec.pub 2 points 1 week ago So do I! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] privatizetwiddle@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 week ago Just to be pedantic: mb would be millibits, or thousandths of a bit. MB is its big brother megabytes. Fun fact: a kb is a thousand thousand times bigger than a mb! permalink fedilink source parent